Ngata, take the money and run (waddle)!

[H8R]

I know wilfork is listed at 350... but he's at least 400 lbs. That guy is huge.

Ngata's has also been inujured all year. Basically Ngata and Cody are out of shape and since we're losing the time of possession so badly they're beginning to wear down. In Wilforks case he's barely on the field, I don't know if you remember what happen when he was...

https://www.youtube....h?v=eazi_DnGmVY

In the 09 game Wilfork just got worn. And he may wear down now, but their O is so good he barely plays.

Im sure he gets gassed, but the Pats told him to drop 20lbs in the offseason. He did just that, and hes been great this year.

Wilfork is a HUGE dude, I agree.... BUT hes built very much different then Ngata. Hes got smallish/short legs and he actually has a smaller fram then Ngata.

[izvoodoo]

Im sure he gets gassed, but the Pats told him to drop 20lbs in the offseason. He did just that, and hes been great this year.

Wilfork is a HUGE dude, I agree.... BUT hes built very much different then Ngata. Hes got smallish/short legs and he actually has a smaller fram then Ngata.

Yeah, Ngata played great last year though before he got injured. And again he's playing hurt, but he'll have to do something differently with his conditioning next year.

[Bltravens]

Our defense is so much more suited to a 4-3 than the 3-4 we play. Problem is Ray Lewis has stuck around so long.

Suggs - Ngata - Cody - Kruger/McPhee/Upshaw

We don't have any LBs to play the 4-3 and Upshaw can't pass rush, Kruger can't stop the run and McPhee with his extra fatness can't do either. McCain has been useless all season, he can't play the WLB or the SLB because he can't cover or blitz, we don't have any WLB on the roster and only Ellerbe could play in the 43 at the Mike.

We'd need to overhaul the entire defense to go to a 4-3.

Something has to change, but I think Ozzie just needs to stay put in the first round and get someone who can actually make an impact on day 1 on defense for change.

[BloodRaven]

Ngata is fatter then he's ever been, for the Ravens. Is he NOT? I said Wilfork plays extremely well.. When did I ever say I wanted Ngata to LOOK like HIM? Wilfork is a freak, and I don't see him taking plays off... even if he is about 360-370 lbs. He is very disruptive and makes plays consistently.

To me he looks the same size and shape he has been every year (except 2011 where he was too lean) he's bigger but it's proportionate. I'd like to see how Wilfork would hold up during an injury plagued year.

[H8R]

To me he looks the same size and shape he has been every year (except 2011 where he was too lean) he's bigger but it's proportionate. I'd like to see how Wilfork would hold up during an injury plagued year.

Wilfork is 3 years older and has had less injuries then Ngata . Where do you come up with the "too lean" stuff? Listening to Ngata ? He used that to excuse his weight THIS YEAR. Last year, yet again he was injured too often. I give the guy credit for playing hurt... He's almost always banged up though.

[Bltravens]

Wilfork is 3 years older and has had less injuries then Ngata . Where do you come up with the "too lean" stuff? Listening to Ngata ? He used that to excuse his weight THIS YEAR. Last year, yet again he was injured too often. I give the guy credit for playing hurt... He's almost always banged up though.

Last year he was in good shape though, there's no way you can say he was fat and sloppy last year. Prior to getting hurt in week 5 he was wrecking Oline's blocking schemes.

[tctony]

We don't have any LBs to play the 4-3 and Upshaw can't pass rush, Kruger can't stop the run and McPhee with his extra fatness can't do either. McCain has been useless all season, he can't play the WLB or the SLB because he can't cover or blitz, we don't have any WLB on the roster and only Ellerbe could play in the 43 at the Mike.

We'd need to overhaul the entire defense to go to a 4-3.

Something has to change, but I think Ozzie just needs to stay put in the first round and get someone who can actually make an impact on day 1 on defense for change.

I think Ellerbe is really good. Bynes shows potential, so does McClellan. McClain is decent. Kruger could potentially play a JJ role, but he has been really great at the DE spot.

[H8R]

Last year he was in good shape though, there's no way you can say he was fat and sloppy last year. Prior to getting hurt in week 5 he was wrecking Oline's blocking schemes.

EXACTLY the point.. He was in a Contract year. Yet , when he came in this year he was " too lean" when speaking about LAST season.... Seems like an excuse to me

[Bltravens]

EXACTLY the point.. He was in a Contract year. Yet , when he came in this year he was " too lean" when speaking about LAST season.... Seems like an excuse to me

Ohh I got ya, I thought you were saying he was out of shape last year too.

My fault.

[ravensfanin tx]

I agree with the ahngover effect.

The longer this season goes on, you can sense that the playoffs were inevitable, and ever sine they built that 3 game lead after the SD game, they have gotten more undisciplined, less urgency, like so what? This crap doesn't matter- what matters is the January games.

They know they can win on the road in the playoffs, they know they can win at home in the playoffs, and really in their mind they think they can beat anyone in the league.

In the past two seasons, they have beaten Houston twice, NE, almost NE again on the road, Pitts three times (in Pitts twice), SF, Dallas, Cincy three times, all good wins over top opponents.

They want to get to January, with some health back, and give it a shot. These long seasons just wear these guys down, and while winning games and getting to the playoffs, anything short of a SB trip this year would be a failure, in all of their eyes as well as ours.

Haloti is no different than the rest - the real issue with this team is they couldn't sign Grubbs, felt that the rest of the OLIne would work out- but it has not.

[H8R]

Tell this theory to Ray Lewis... : D

[baltravens]

I am worried about Ngata. Two weeks ago he was suppose to be 100% and back from an injury. (Remember, last year from the middle of the season to the end, he battled an injury.)

Coaches, if he is 100%, take a whip to his back and butt and get him going again. Yep, start a fire under his feet to motivate him.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I would not volunteer to be the one to get Ngata pissed, nope.

[jimmypowder]

Well if you think about it when is the last time Ngata made a big play? Has he this year? Im thinking

you have to go back to last year.

[izvoodoo]

Well if you think about it when is the last time Ngata made a big play? Has he this year? Im thinking

you have to go back to last year.

He had a big sack where he couldn't get up because he was in too much pain.

[ravensfan2430]

I think health has been the main factor for him. I think he has started every year off (since signing the big deal) well, but has gotten hurt early on and faded away. I used to love watching him make tackles 20 yards down the field. Seems like he always has a leg injury. lotta limping around

[H8R]

He had a big sack where he couldn't get up because he was in too much pain.

Game?

[H8R]

I think health has been the main factor for him. I think he has started every year off (since signing the big deal) well, but has gotten hurt early on and faded away. I used to love watching him make tackles 20 yards down the field. Seems like he always has a leg injury. lotta limping around

Yup, because he's got too much weight on those joints! Id like to see him at 315-320 which is a little heavier then Suh.

[izvoodoo]

Game?

Dallas, it was in the red zone. A player had to help him up because he couldn't get up himself.

[CptJesus]

Do you want to see him coming up the middle...man?

[BloodRaven]

Wilfork is 3 years older and has had less injuries then Ngata . Where do you come up with the "too lean" stuff? Listening to Ngata ? He used that to excuse his weight THIS YEAR. Last year, yet again he was injured too often. I give the guy credit for playing hurt... He's almost always banged up though.

All players aren't built the same, you're implying that he's not as durable as Wilfork because he's "fat" or out of shape. As for being lean he looked lean last year, that was noticable to anyone with eyeballs.

[The Raven]

All players aren't built the same, you're implying that he's not as durable as Wilfork because he's "fat" or out of shape. As for being lean he looked lean last year, that was noticable to anyone with eyeballs.

Evidently not... He looks fine to me this year too...

[SecretAgentMan]

I would not volunteer to be the one to get Ngata pissed, nope.

Depends on what you get me.... A gibson les paul custom will do!

[Bullrush]

So.. Before the season I was listening to the fan.. It was mentioned by Rob Long, Vinny Cerrato and G-Unit that Ngata looked fat and out of shape. In fact, Cerrato went as far as to say that Ngata would be the "star" on defense that would be the biggest disappointment this year. He mentioned that, he would be plagued by injuries. Mostly, due to the fact of his shear size and lack of conditioning.

This season, I've made it a major point to watch this guy VERY CLOSE. It seems he's almost turned off the drive to perform. He'll show up some games... but mostly, hes hand fighting and not trying to be involved in plays. I know from his college days, the knock on Haloti was that he took plays off and seemed to lack motivation. Now that he's gotten his truck load of cash.. Is this the end of a dominant player? Is there a chance this guy just disappears from here on out? Have we already seen Ngata's best football behind him? I remember this guy getting doubled and still beating his assignment, this year..? Forget that. Generally, if he makes a splash play its a coverage sack or a blown assignment from the Oline.

Does this guy dedicate himself in the offseason to revive that All-Pro form? I didnt buy his argument of saying he picked up weight to be stronger later in the year... In fact, even after "getting healthy" hes failed to make much of an impact. Lets look at yesterdays game... He didnt have a solo tackle. He had 1 ASSIST! Are you kidding me? Even Cody had a tackle and 2 assists.

So, does anyone else see his decline like I do? It seems people dont like to talk about it becasue of his previous greatness.. Lets be real though.. This guy has done a BAD job this season.

No offense but what is your post or opinion even based on? Nothing but frustration. Typical for when you lose a game like that, people whine about just everything.

His numbers are basically the same from last season. Even without any help around him. He doesn't have Warren Sapp next to him, he's getting even more attention now after his strong season last year. So what exactly are you talking about? He had one assist vs the Broncos? He had 5 tackles the week before. What's your point? Stop whining, he doesn't play linebacker. The Broncos have a great O-Line, Peyton gets rid of the ball very quick. What do you want? Is this the best season he's had? I doubt it. But after 7 years straight of playing at an All Pro level and one season where basically everyone on defense is playing average to call him out like that is pretty absurd. Suddenly he's this lazy big guy who doesn't show up, sits on his butt all day and gained weight because he doesn't care about football or this team anymore. The good thing about losing is you get to see who the true fans are and the ones that are just bandwagoners. Why not open another topic and call out Ed Reed while you're at it. And the rest of the gang. Art Jones didn't have 2 sacks this week, he's terrible. Boo hoo. Go cry somewhere else

[flaccopoe]

Maybe this has to do with defensive coaching. Dean Pees leaves a lot to be desired, scheme-wise. His performance should improve as the defense collectively heals from all the injuries, so I'm quite optimistic about his future as a Raven. Btw, his hit on RG3 was nasty, it should have won the Ravens the game! But that's another story...

[H8R]

All players aren't built the same, you're implying that he's not as durable as Wilfork because he's "fat" or out of shape. As for being lean he looked lean last year, that was noticable to anyone with eyeballs.

First off.. you put words in my mouth.. then, I respond and ask where I sad what YOUR implying... and you don't respond..The point is , Ngata is almost always fighting an injury.. Wilfork is generally healthy. As for Ngata being LEAN... I never said he wasn't . He looked better at this weight to me (last year) and was quicker... HE came up with the excuse THIS YEAR , that it made him weaker at the end of the year LAST YEAR... Not me. So, this year he comes in round.. and he's still banged up... and if he's much closer to being healthy.( as he said). then his play recently speaks to a lack of motivation.

[H8R]

Evidently not... He looks fine to me this year too...

Physically or fine meaning that he's playing fine?

[H8R]

No offense but what is your post or opinion even based on? Nothing but frustration. Typical for when you lose a game like that, people whine about just everything.

His numbers are basically the same from last season. Even without any help around him. He doesn't have Warren Sapp next to him, he's getting even more attention now after his strong season last year. So what exactly are you talking about? He had one assist vs the Broncos? He had 5 tackles the week before. What's your point? Stop whining, he doesn't play linebacker. The Broncos have a great O-Line, Peyton gets rid of the ball very quick. What do you want? Is this the best season he's had? I doubt it. But after 7 years straight of playing at an All Pro level and one season where basically everyone on defense is playing average to call him out like that is pretty absurd. Suddenly he's this lazy big guy who doesn't show up, sits on his butt all day and gained weight because he doesn't care about football or this team anymore. The good thing about losing is you get to see who the true fans are and the ones that are just bandwagoners. Why not open another topic and call out Ed Reed while you're at it. And the rest of the gang. Art Jones didn't have 2 sacks this week, he's terrible. Boo hoo. Go cry somewhere else

Your love affair with Ngata is at a level of fanboi! So, you don't hold him accountable for his play because of what he's done in the past? Sound reasoning... lol. For the record, my opinion has NOTHING to do with a loss.. I've felt this way the whole season. In fact, you tried to debate with me on it before. So, once again.. point proven.. by me.

So, Ngata is getting more attention then LAST YEAR? Haha. How's that possible? Last year he was getting "doubled and tripled every down" ( from fanboys like you) .

It seems too convenient to me that he gets paid, then comes to camp to GET IN SHAPE... This is the guy that failed the conditioning test at the beginning of the year. Remember? The test that Cody even passed this season.. He pulled a hammy.. because he was OUT OF SHAPE.

As for being bandwagon... how long have you been here? Im pretty sure you could look over just 10 of my posts from any stretch of time.. and you see "bandwagon"? Yea right...That's just another flash word to try and degrade a fan. It's not sly, witty or fulfilling , it's lacking substance.

[H8R]

Maybe this has to do with defensive coaching. Dean Pees leaves a lot to be desired, scheme-wise. His performance should improve as the defense collectively heals from all the injuries, so I'm quite optimistic about his future as a Raven. Btw, his hit on RG3 was nasty, it should have won the Ravens the game! But that's another story...

I could lean towards this if I haven't been seeing Ngata blocked by a single guy, and at times.. a TE.. He's hand fights and isn't driving up the field to get pressure. Granted , a dlineman isn't always supposed to attack the pass rusher.. but it's VERY rare he has consistent push.

[H8R]

Do you want to see him coming up the middle...man?

Do you wanna get windows from guys in Cincy, Cleveland or Pittsburgh?