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Ngata, take the money and run (waddle)!

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So.. Before the season I was listening to the fan.. It was mentioned by Rob Long, Vinny Cerrato and G-Unit that Ngata looked fat and out of shape. In fact, Cerrato went as far as to say that Ngata would be the "star" on defense that would be the biggest disappointment this year. He mentioned that, he would be plagued by injuries. Mostly, due to the fact of his shear size and lack of conditioning.

This season, I've made it a major point to watch this guy VERY CLOSE. It seems he's almost turned off the drive to perform. He'll show up some games... but mostly, hes hand fighting and not trying to be involved in plays. I know from his college days, the knock on Haloti was that he took plays off and seemed to lack motivation. Now that he's gotten his truck load of cash.. Is this the end of a dominant player? Is there a chance this guy just disappears from here on out? Have we already seen Ngata's best football behind him? I remember this guy getting doubled and still beating his assignment, this year..? Forget that. Generally, if he makes a splash play its a coverage sack or a blown assignment from the Oline.

Does this guy dedicate himself in the offseason to revive that All-Pro form? I didnt buy his argument of saying he picked up weight to be stronger later in the year... In fact, even after "getting healthy" hes failed to make much of an impact. Lets look at yesterdays game... He didnt have a solo tackle. He had 1 ASSIST! Are you kidding me? Even Cody had a tackle and 2 assists.

So, does anyone else see his decline like I do? It seems people dont like to talk about it becasue of his previous greatness.. Lets be real though.. This guy has done a BAD job this season.

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I didn't think about his conditioning so much, but Ngata's performance is irrelevant. Unless you can find a trade for him, we're stuck with that contract.

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He definitely has a bad season, just like Suggs in 09; my guess is Haloti will bounce back to pro-bowl form next year. Again, he is defintely not playing like the used-to-be Haloti Ngata.....

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He definitely has a bad season, just like Suggs in 09; my guess is Haloti will bounce back to pro-bowl form next year. Again, he is defintely not playing like the used-to-be Haloti Ngata.....

I agree. It seems like we've been plagued by bad seasons or unfortunate issues after signing guys. Here's a few examples of bad season after a contract:

Suggs ( balloned to near 3bills and wasnt a factor)

Ngata ( 350-60lbs going into camp, hampered by injuries)

Rice ( Hes played lower then his standard this year, didnt come to camp on-time)

Webb ( guy is a beast, but went down with a knee)

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I didn't think Ngata did a whole lot last season outside of week 1 against Pitt.

Grossly overpaid IMO and he really has not had much impact this season. I think his best game was probably the Charger game.

He is more of an "occupier" now than a playmaker.

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I just look at Wilfork, and I see how this guy CONSISTENTLY has great seasons, and is ALWAYS a force.

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I noticed it as well. He would go a long way in helping stop the bleeding of not being able to stop the opponents run games right up the middle and if double teamed would free up Kruger or Upshaw to get more pressure at times. I was not sure if he was still playing hurt or not. But if he is just calling it in then we are in trouble. We will have to eat the money and have another Mckinnie on our hands for a few years to come.

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That wouldn't solve anything, we'd just leave a whole wherever he was on the Dline

I meant in the future. We have young guys who can play the DE spot decently well right now in Jones and Tyson, but we are trotting out absolute garbage at the NT spot. Since we need help on the Dline and Ngata doesn't really play like a DE I think it would be to the defense's benefit to move Ngata to NT in the future.

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I meant in the future. We have young guys who can play the DE spot decently well right now in Jones and Tyson, but we are trotting out absolute garbage at the NT spot. Since we need help on the Dline and Ngata doesn't really play like a DE I think it would be to the defense's benefit to move Ngata to NT in the future.

That's understandable then. But I'd rather find a pure NT and move Ngata around

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I didn't think Ngata did a whole lot last season outside of week 1 against Pitt.

Grossly overpaid IMO and he really has not had much impact this season. I think his best game was probably the Charger game.

He is more of an "occupier" now than a playmaker.

He has been pretty invisibile for the past 2-3 years. I will never forget in the New England game last year, Gronkowski blocked/drove Ngata by himself down in the redzone. He even exclaimed after the play "I blocked him!"

I'm hoping he shows up again, but he hasn't lately.

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He has been pretty invisibile for the past 2-3 years. I will never forget in the New England game last year, Gronkowski blocked/drove Ngata by himself down in the redzone. He even exclaimed after the play "I blocked him!"

I'm hoping he shows up again, but he hasn't lately.

I remember this as well. Basically, this guy needs to wake up and smell the roses. He says all the time about how Ray Lewis is a hero to him. Just for one offseason, TRAIN with Ray Lewis and actually BE the best Dlineman in the game.

When does Clarence Brooks get added to the hot seat? His unit has played WELL below expectations!

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Haloti had a few good plays against the Skins where he penetrated their OL to get to RGIII. He caught up with RGIII on a run. I've witnessed him chasing down opponents. BUT...yesterday he looked like a dancing bear. His consistency is lacking.

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This will sound a bit strange, but i think the entire team has the Super Bowl hangover effect. Now they didn't win it obviously, so i'm not sure you can calll it that.

My reason for saying that is, this team seems to have the We were one drop from the Super Bowl mentality. It seems like they are just going through the motions of the regular season, thinking the playoffs is a given. It's like everyone is waiting to prove themselves in the AFC Championship Game again.

The defense, even before all the injuries wern't play great ball. Webb's claim of best Secondary in the NFL fell way short and even before his injury, he wasn't playing like he did last year.

Under Harbs, this team is usually very well disciplined, but this year, they are among the league leaders in penalties. Guys like Cody, McPhee and McClain didn't take that next step like the FO thought. Even a guy with the consistency of Yanda, seems to have a lot of unimpressive performances this year.

I think Kevin Bryne's article last week really hinted to this. These guys thought they were gonna roll through this season and it hasn't happened that way. Well it's gut check time now, for all players and coaches. This is the time you either prov you are what you say you are or you prove to be what everyone thinks you are.

My apologies for going so far off the topic of Ngata.

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I just rewatched the play where Ed Reed got beat over the middle .. Followed by the run by Moreno , right up the middle. Ngata was line up at NT and got pushed all the to the left guard ... Openig a HUGE hole for the RB to walk in to the endzone.

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This will sound a bit strange, but i think the entire team has the Super Bowl hangover effect. Now they didn't win it obviously, so i'm not sure you can calll it that.

My reason for saying that is, this team seems to have the We were one drop from the Super Bowl mentality. It seems like they are just going through the motions of the regular season, thinking the playoffs is a given. It's like everyone is waiting to prove themselves in the AFC Championship Game again.

The defense, even before all the injuries wern't play great ball. Webb's claim of best Secondary in the NFL fell way short and even before his injury, he wasn't playing like he did last year.

Under Harbs, this team is usually very well disciplined, but this year, they are among the league leaders in penalties. Guys like Cody, McPhee and McClain didn't take that next step like the FO thought. Even a guy with the consistency of Yanda, seems to have a lot of unimpressive performances this year.

I think Kevin Bryne's article last week really hinted to this. These guys thought they were gonna roll through this season and it hasn't happened that way. Well it's gut check time now, for all players and coaches. This is the time you either prov you are what you say you are or you prove to be what everyone thinks you are.

My apologies for going so far off the topic of Ngata.

Not strange at all. I said Cam has held Joe back soo much, that he has regressed him back to near rookie form!

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Not strange at all. I said Cam has held Joe back soo much, that he has regressed him back to near rookie form!

Yea Cam held Joe back and actually the scheme and design of the offense wasn't bad at all yesterday, but Flacco has to work harder towards staying consistent with his fundamentals. Flacco has regressed and Caldwell needs to harp on him staying true to his mechanics and that will solve a lot of his accuracy issues.

Getting back to the whole ngata thing. I think he definitely needs to step up. Yea he's injured, but i'm not sure that's what's causing his decline in play. I don't think Ngata is a long term problem, like someone else mentioned, it's like Suggs in 09'.

Maybe his personal life is an issue as well. Having a young baby at home is tough. I'm not sure what the issue is, but if he can turn it on with a healthy Ray and maybe Suggs, the Defense might be strong enough to get it done in the playoff. Despite the score i thought the defense played well against Denver

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Yea Cam held Joe back and actually the scheme and design of the offense wasn't bad at all yesterday, but Flacco has to work harder towards staying consistent with his fundamentals. Flacco has regressed and Caldwell needs to harp on him staying true to his mechanics and that will solve a lot of his accuracy issues.

Getting back to the whole ngata thing. I think he definitely needs to step up. Yea he's injured, but i'm not sure that's what's causing his decline in play. I don't think Ngata is a long term problem, like someone else mentioned, it's like Suggs in 09'.

Maybe his personal life is an issue as well. Having a young baby at home is tough. I'm not sure what the issue is, but if he can turn it on with a healthy Ray and maybe Suggs, the Defense might be strong enough to get it done in the playoff. Despite the score i thought the defense played well against Denver

They only gave up three TD's!.

Injuries are hurting everyone! We need another capable DT in the draft (see Irrev mock 4). Anyway.... I agree generally, Ngata is a beast, but has regressed. I think that the scheme is the problem. That scheme.. Zone coverage as well, is holding everyone back, Thats the only thing I hate bout Pees

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I think he is disappointed by the play of those around him. Remember when he was interviewed early on in the season and said it was said he seemed frustrated with how Cody was not giving any effort. He is probably demoralized from the fact that he will blow up double teams only to see the rest of the guys struggle to break free of 1 on 1 matchups.

Sometimes lack of effort from the team brings you down as well. We have been lucky to have the post-season success we have had but it seems all the losses are heartbreaking coming down to dropped passes, missing field goals, letting up on big plays, and blowing leads. That has to take a toll emotionally on a player especially when everything comes crashing down after being so close the past four years.

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Well if the trend is signing our key players to big deals and then their play falls off the following season, then no way in hell do I want Flacco to get a big contract!

Ray Rice isn't having the greatest year but the offensive line is crap and the QB play is crap, so teams know that the key to beat us is shutting down Rice. He is the last of our concerns.

Haloti needs to heal up and Webb got injured. It happens. Revis is out too, think the Jets are blaming Revis' contract right now on why they suck? No it's that their QB can't carry the team.

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They only gave up three TD's!.

Injuries are hurting everyone! We need another capable DT in the draft (see Irrev mock 4). Anyway.... I agree generally, Ngata is a beast, but has regressed. I think that the scheme is the problem. That scheme.. Zone coverage as well, is holding everyone back, Thats the only thing I hate bout Pees

I think Pees is doing a heck of a job. I think if this team is allowed to stay in this same scheme next year, we'll see that top 10 caliber unit again. These guys did a heck of a job against Peyton for 3 and a half quarters. They held Peyton to 6 3 and outs, and 2 of 9 on third downs before the 4th quarter. However, i think the Broncos ran like 90 plays or so, the D just ran out of gas.

Watching 1 winning Drive, Suggs kept saying that they were forcing Manning to play a game he doesn't wanna play. Despite Manning having success, which he will have eventually, the secondary did a good job of mixing coverage. I think it's hard "not" to play zone when you have so many young inexperienced guys playing your system. At the end of the day it's all about trust.

I think the zone defense is hurting Ed Reed or maybe Ed is hurting the defense, because he's lost a step and can't cover as much ground as usual. He seems to get caught out of position often, i think it happens when he trys to bait QBs, but they just seem to take advantage of him. I don't think the zone is the big issues, i just think the personnel isn't great right now with all the injuries.

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Well if the trend is signing our key players to big deals and then their play falls off the following season, then no way in hell do I want Flacco to get a big contract!

I know you Guys DON'T want to hear this right now, But this is something the Steelers NEVER do.

If someone want's to test the free agent market they let em walk, next man up. This approach, while radical to the Ravens has kept the Steelers comfortable in their salary cap for years. Also gives them better player depth than most teams.

Anyway back to Ngata, I think the dirty little secret with Ngata is he is hiding his chronic bad back from the team. Affects his play and overall performance.He hasn't been dominate in years.

Desert

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I know you Guys DON'T want to hear this right now, But this is something the Steelers NEVER do.

If someone want's to test the free agent market they let em walk, next man up. This approach, while radical to the Ravens has kept the Steelers comfortable in their salary cap for years. Also gives them better player depth than most teams.

Anyway back to Ngata, I think the dirty little secret with Ngata is he is hiding his chronic bad back from the team. Affects his play and overall performance.He hasn't been dominate in years.

Desert

Steelers comfortable in their salary cap? Lmao!

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We need to move him to NT, flat out.

Our defense is so much more suited to a 4-3 than the 3-4 we play. Problem is Ray Lewis has stuck around so long.

Suggs - Ngata - Cody - Kruger/McPhee/Upshaw

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He's been playing hurt all year, if we weren't in the playoff hunt he'd be on IR right now along with Suggs. It's not like he walked into camp looking like Cody.

First you say Ngata is fat which I disagree with, then you point to Vince Wilfork as the template, a guy who walks around looking like he just ate the goodyear blimp.

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I just look at Wilfork, and I see how this guy CONSISTENTLY has great seasons, and is ALWAYS a force.

Wilfork is amazing.

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He's been playing hurt all year, if we weren't in the playoff hunt he'd be on IR right now along with Suggs. It's not like he walked into camp looking like Cody.

First you say Ngata is fat which I disagree with, then you point to Vince Wilfork as the template, a guy who walks around looking like he just ate the goodyear blimp.

Ngata is fatter then he's ever been, for the Ravens. Is he NOT? I said Wilfork plays extremely well.. When did I ever say I wanted Ngata to LOOK like HIM? Wilfork is a freak, and I don't see him taking plays off... even if he is about 360-370 lbs. He is very disruptive and makes plays consistently.

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Ngata is fatter then he's ever been, for the Ravens. Is he NOT? I said Wilfork plays extremely well.. When did I ever say I wanted Ngata to LOOK like HIM? Wilfork is a freak, and I don't see him taking plays off... even if he is about 360-370 lbs. He is very disruptive and makes plays consistently.

I know wilfork is listed at 350... but he's at least 400 lbs. That guy is huge.

Ngata's has also been inujured all year. Basically Ngata and Cody are out of shape and since we're losing the time of possession so badly they're beginning to wear down. In Wilforks case he's barely on the field, I don't know if you remember what happen when he was...

https://www.youtube....h?v=eazi_DnGmVY

In the 09 game Wilfork just got worn. And he may wear down now, but their O is so good he barely plays.

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