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What they're saying about Caldwell. Why not call timeout? Reed couldn't react to hurdle (GIF).

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That was the earliest I've ever left a home game. I can't think of any silver lining to that game, it was really pathetic all the way around. I still think firing Cam was the right call, but the offense still looked terrible. I guess we got two more games to get this figured out.
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I don't think we are going to get our stuff together anytime soon. That loss to the Steelers was just demoralizing and completely through us out of wack. We can thank Mike Tomlin's squad for dooming our season.
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The Ravens are in the dance. Heal up the injuries. Activate Sergio Kindle and IR Dickson. Release anybody and try Carr or Hamilton for two games. Suggs&Lewis can rest but can Kindle,Hamilton or Carr help now and in the ?future? Offensively,Andy Reid might love Baltimore fans next year.the Eagles will love Flacco.
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After Flacco fumbled the ball on the QB sneak I was furious; when the team kept going 3 and out while the defense put up valiant effort after valiant effort I was seething. However when Flacco threw that interception I was emotionless-- much like... well, Flacco himself. At this point any Ravens fan that has tracked Flacco's career closely should know what he is, and accept him for who he is. Even though Matt Ryan has never won a playoff game, deep down we all wish we had Ryan under center in Baltimore; and this is based on Matt and Joe's bodies of work throughout their careers.

Joe Flacco seems content to rest on his laurels-- whatever they may be. When he fails to move the ball, he says, "we failed to move the ball as an offense". Granted he gives the entire offense credit when they are successful, but a true leader puts blame squarely on his own shoulders when appropriate. Flacco, for the first time I remember, criticized himself for that boneheaded interception; but why wouldn't he, we all saw it happen and there is no other place to dissipate the blame. There was no pass rush, the snap was good, he had 3 timeouts, and there was no Cam Cameron.

I remember Flacco's press conference after the loss to Pittsburgh in Baltimore 3 weeks ago. The dude sounded noncommittal saying people were "acting like the Ravens are 3 and 9, when they are 9 and 3", instead of seeing the bigger picture that the Ravens just had their streak broken on a night that they could easily have extended that streak for another game if he takes a step or two up in the pocket. Well, newsflash Joe: Now you are 9 and 5 with no shot at a bye week, and you have fumbled the ball and thrown boneheaded interceptions in all games in this 3 game losing streak (each one looking worse than the previous). Harbaugh looks slightly ridiculous keeping Bryant McKinnie in his 'doghouse' while his starting QB continues to be Santa Claus for opposing teams.

This is where Ozzie and Harbs will earn their money: What do you do with Joe Flacco? Top 15 QB sure. Top 10, I wouldn’t go that far, but I won't bash anyone who does. Top 5, then you're crazier than Joes Flacco and Linta! I say give him a decent contract that reflects a QB in the 10-15 range, if he balks let him walk and officially go into retooling mode. After all that was where we were when we drafted Joe and we have been in the playoffs every year since. The AFC North is not as powerful as it has been so we should be able to remain relevant in the division with the weapons we have and our running game. If Flacco wants to be elite he needs to start doing things like Brees, Roethlisberger and Brady; those dudes absolutely hate to lose-- Flacco has demonstrated he can live with it. At this point the desire does not match the talent, and that is what is holding Flacco and the Ravens back.
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This last two games will tell us whether or not Joe Flacco should be brought back next year. I hope the 49ers release Alex Smith and we pick him up during the off season because Flacco continue to go backwards. I watch that game and look at Payon Manning and see how he runs the offense. His technique, his execution and his poise. I wish Flacco could play at that level like know he can. Flacco has to play better period. He has to make his throws, make his reads and most importatn protect the football.
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Harbs that was a stupid call. The talk all week long was that maybe the Ravens will now utilize Ray Rice more and you get to the 4 yard line and you pass the ball? You mean you have a pro bowl $40mm running back and you want to pass in that situation? Meanwhile when you are 2nd and 20 you want to run and throw underneath passes that only pick up 2 or 3 yards....

What's really going unnoticed here is that Ray Rice - not saying he doesn't want to win, but imagine if this were his contract year. He'd let everybody know that he wants the ball. It's not his contract year. He got his money in the off-season so guess what - if you pay him no mind, he's not going to care. Again, I'm not saying the guy doesn't want to win, but he can only be a team player and I guess kudos to him for taking the high road about the situation. But I ask, why should you pay him that kind of money and not give him as many touches as possible?
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After the pitiful lost against the broncos, the ravens are not going to win the last two games. stupid mistakes from the coaching staff and player, they created their own problems. Ed Reed has to go, he is no longer a factor in defense. Joe Flacco used very poor judgement and decision making when driving the offense.
with seconds left, use the time-out to regroup...run the ball...quarterback keeper...spread out the defense...
defensive plays were too conservative...play man and blitz! keep blitzing until mannning get tired of running around then re-adjust the defense.
Ed reed has to go...he is not a factor!
hopefully, the squealers and bungles lost the last few games...then we could have another chance at the AFC Championship...LMAO!
REX RYAN might become available at the end of the season...Harbaugh...put your feelings aside and recruit REX as defensive coordinator and pay him what ever. your opportunity to recruit...Jack Del Rio and Milke Nolan at defensive coordinator was a great opportunity to develop the defense to what was once the best defense in the league...not a laughing stock!
Also, Alex Smith might become available soon or trade for Cousins of the eagles...
Baltimore is known for its defense...bring us back to the most fear team in the land...
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What a shocker!! Reed has another excuse as to why he cant tackle... now he is dealing with the flu.... SMH - MAN UP REED!!!
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I dont blame the hurry up before half time on Caldwell or Harbs. It's a good plan to keep the defense off balance in that situation and go for the quick score. I would have called the time out and ran it a few times to guarantee points but that's me.
That interception was all on Flacco. He did not even think for a moment about not throwing that ball. He was going to throw to Boldin no matter what.
I was not surprised in the least. I showed the same lack of emotion as Joe usually does.
I half expected it to happen.
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[quote name='roamingcharges' timestamp='1355757261' post='1267514']
After Flacco fumbled the ball on the QB sneak I was furious; when the team kept going 3 and out while the defense put up valiant effort after valiant effort I was seething. However when Flacco threw that interception I was emotionless-- much like... well, Flacco himself. At this point any Ravens fan that has tracked Flacco's career closely should know what he is, and accept him for who he is. Even though Matt Ryan has never won a playoff game, deep down we all wish we had Ryan under center in Baltimore; and this is based on Matt and Joe's bodies of work throughout their careers.

Joe Flacco seems content to rest on his laurels-- whatever they may be. When he fails to move the ball, he says, "we failed to move the ball as an offense". Granted he gives the entire offense credit when they are successful, but a true leader puts blame squarely on his own shoulders when appropriate. Flacco, for the first time I remember, criticized himself for that boneheaded interception; but why wouldn't he, we all saw it happen and there is no other place to dissipate the blame. There was no pass rush, the snap was good, he had 3 timeouts, and there was no Cam Cameron.

I remember Flacco's press conference after the loss to Pittsburgh in Baltimore 3 weeks ago. The dude sounded noncommittal saying people were "acting like the Ravens are 3 and 9, when they are 9 and 3", instead of seeing the bigger picture that the Ravens just had their streak broken on a night that they could easily have extended that streak for another game if he takes a step or two up in the pocket. Well, newsflash Joe: Now you are 9 and 5 with no shot at a bye week, and you have fumbled the ball and thrown boneheaded interceptions in all games in this 3 game losing streak (each one looking worse than the previous). Harbaugh looks slightly ridiculous keeping Bryant McKinnie in his 'doghouse' while his starting QB continues to be Santa Claus for opposing teams.

This is where Ozzie and Harbs will earn their money: What do you do with Joe Flacco? Top 15 QB sure. Top 10, I wouldn’t go that far, but I won't bash anyone who does. Top 5, then you're crazier than Joes Flacco and Linta! I say give him a decent contract that reflects a QB in the 10-15 range, if he balks let him walk and officially go into retooling mode. After all that was where we were when we drafted Joe and we have been in the playoffs every year since. The AFC North is not as powerful as it has been so we should be able to remain relevant in the division with the weapons we have and our running game. If Flacco wants to be elite he needs to start doing things like Brees, Roethlisberger and Brady; those dudes absolutely hate to lose-- Flacco has demonstrated he can live with it. At this point the desire does not match the talent, and that is what is holding Flacco and the Ravens back.
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Wish I could give you 2 pluses because you made an excellent point about Joe's statement of 'why is everybody actin like we're 1-12' or whatever that ignorant remark was (I was furious), and you made an excellent point about Harbs having McKinnie on the bench.

I've never really questioned the 2...I've only had some gripes with them since the body of work has been 5 winning seasons, 5 playoff appearances. But this year, I'm just fed up. If you're so flippin elite, how about you fix your pocket presence or simply start running to pick up an extra 5 or 7 yards rather than just hold on to the ball so you can show everyone that you can make the perfect throw?????? That's what makes you elite - you move the chains whether it's with your arm or your feet. If the decision on McKinnie had to do with the no-huddle offense and you're not playing no-huddle, why the heck is he on the bench?
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@roamingcharges I agree with everything you said. While Flacco needs to step up so does the O-Line. I feel that if they had used McKinney all season we would have won the philly game, home steelers game and the redskins game. I do feel that Houston and Denver out played us and McKinney would not have made a difference. What this shows is that Harbaugh is more concerned about his Dog House then putting the best players on the field. This needs to change for the Ravens to have a chance.
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Reed needs to retire. He always seems to have an excuse or be whining about something. His best days are way behind him. I also believe Ray Lewis will hang it up after this season. For that, I'm sad for him to go out like this. He is the best ever at his position and a class act. As for crybaby Reed, don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.
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Okay, some of the comments on here are pretty dumb, saying you want to get a new team? Have the team move out of town? You all are real fans. Im a ravens fan till i die, and we have seen much worse times. We are all spoiled about the past 4 years of success in the playoffs, going on 5. Now i know we have problems, and i think a lot of work needs to be done in the offseason. Honestly, i don't think we need to "rebuild", atleast on both sides of the ball. Defensively, we might have to take a look. Our front 4 have been getting blown off the ball all season, that is why we can't stop the run, even when we were healthy. It might be better to let Ed Reed walk, he can't tackle anymore, honestly he isn't making any plays, and when he does pick off a pass it comes against rookie QB's or backups. Our secondary might be okay, we will get Webb back, and i think the key to a good secondary is a good pass rush, which hasn't been the best for us this year. We need to look into improving our front 7 on D this offseason.

Offensively, i know a lot of people are upset with Joe right now, but we really don't have any better options right now. There are not any QB's worth drafting in the draft that would push him let alone take over as starter. He will atleast keep us competing from year to year. Our OL needs improvement, i thinnk that is an area we need to fix on offense. If we fix the OL i think our whole offense will get a lot better, Flacco didn't have all the time in the world yesterday. Reciever wise, i think our group is good!! They were just never used correctly imo by cameron. Maybe bring in a slot guy (amendola or a welker like) and i think Tavon Austin would be a good pickup in the 2nd or 3rd if he is still around. We are still a good football team, and i thnk not being healthy has really hurt us this year, and im not giving up hope. Cause if we can get a somewhat healthy D before playoff time, then i think we can do some damage.
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I was calling Ed Reed a liability in the preseason and was getting killed for it. Now it seems he has run out good will from a lot of fans. If he can't tackle, and he can't cover, and he only seems to get interceptions on poorly thrown balls, why is he on the field? I'm all about his passion, but at times that seems to turn negative, which isn't what this team needs.

We've got Flacco showing no emotion, Reed looking upset all the time, Ray disinterested, and Rice giving up 15 carries a game to Pierce. Where's the leadership with this team?
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Does anyone including coaching staff, front office have confidence in Flacco anymore? Flacco is only good when he has all day to throw and defense is playing soft zone coverage. If those factors change then he stinks. Man I wonder what Ozzie is going to do in the off season....
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I'm going to just say what Ravens fans are really thinking given the college quarterback situation for this year's draft. Pull off some kind of a miracle trade for................Tony Romo!!!!

Now just for all of you who think you know the guy's name - Kirk (not Kirt) Cousins. He's good. I went to a Big 10 school so I kept my eye on him. His whole senior class was studded out with 2 other guys in the league now (Jerel Worthy, Keyshawn Martin). He was voted captain as a sophomore and didn't even start until he was a junior or something crazy like that.

Question for everyone who is now a believer - do you think he can win next season? Probably not just yet.

I've never thought Romo could win - HOWEVER, he has pocket awareness and is very elusive back there. He did his typical thing yesterday in the Pitt game when he got away from Larry Foote, and he had it on display again later in the game. Plug him in the right system, the right offensive scheme, and he can be winner.

Ozzie is the only man on the planet that could pull that off. We only really need a Defensive End to bring the pass rush back, and assuming Gino can play Center, we'd need a Left Tackle.

The truth is that there aren't a lot of reasonable options out there for us right now for QB. I predicted to everyone that for the Redskins to draft a QB in rounds 1 and 4 - for that to work, RGIII would have to get hurt...and sure enough that's what's happened for everyone to learn about Kirk (not Kirt) Cousins. I just feel like what we need is a more mobile back and that's not Kirk.
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Perhaps wanna be QB Flacco and his OL all had a touch of the same flu Reed had. Now, that would explain everything and make everything all nicey nice then. Thanks for explaining it to us Ed. I figured there just had to be an explanation. I feel better now.....
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If it was 10-7 at the half with Joe's dramatic 2 minute hurry up drive and we tied it 10-10 in the third we might have won that game. It was just a play away from elite Joe to can'em Flacco. The D played great just like the Raven D is expected to play but a young patch work O-line does not give confidence to a average Joe QB who is in his 5th playoffs in as many years leading the Ravens Cam Camoran "tweaked" unimaginitive offens. Pitta was a bright spot though too bad he has to block so much.
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I got a better option. Bench Flacco for the remaining two games and put Tyrod Taylor and Dixon in to give us a chance to clinch the North
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this is a nightmare i just wanna wake up from! that was some of the most atrocious football ive ever seen from the ravens! the D looked like it improved, but once again those guys got fatigued from the non-offense! when will we see a turnaround? when will we see raven football again? i just dont understand!
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Just to put things in perspective a little. I travel with a Ravens' fan whose granddaughter was killed in Connecticut in the Friday shooting. He was at the vigil last night. I suspect that the Ravens's loss was not on his mind at all.
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idk but i am so tired of this.
i just reached a point where i am not angry any more, just desperate.
i cant see if flacco would any time soon be an above average qb. right now he is more of a sub-par one than an average.
in this league you cant win with a qb like flacco. you can keep getting into the playoffs but would never be a contender.

somehow, harbaugh has been losing his swagger at the pivotal seconds just as his quarterback, and when flacco finally keeps his cool (afccg) harbaugh still could make a timeout snafu...
timeouts are not for us. challenge flags are not for us. strip sacks are not for us.
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[quote name='easternshore97' timestamp='1355759664' post='1267574']
I'm going to just say what Ravens fans are really thinking given the college quarterback situation for this year's draft. Pull off some kind of a miracle trade for................Tony Romo!!!!

Now just for all of you who think you know the guy's name - Kirk (not Kirt) Cousins. He's good. I went to a Big 10 school so I kept my eye on him. His whole senior class was studded out with 2 other guys in the league now (Jerel Worthy, Keyshawn Martin). He was voted captain as a sophomore and didn't even start until he was a junior or something crazy like that.

Question for everyone who is now a believer - do you think he can win next season? Probably not just yet.

I've never thought Romo could win - HOWEVER, he has pocket awareness and is very elusive back there. He did his typical thing yesterday in the Pitt game when he got away from Larry Foote, and he had it on display again later in the game. Plug him in the right system, the right offensive scheme, and he can be winner.

Ozzie is the only man on the planet that could pull that off. We only really need a Defensive End to bring the pass rush back, and assuming Gino can play Center, we'd need a Left Tackle.

The truth is that there aren't a lot of reasonable options out there for us right now for QB. I predicted to everyone that for the Redskins to draft a QB in rounds 1 and 4 - for that to work, RGIII would have to get hurt...and sure enough that's what's happened for everyone to learn about Kirk (not Kirt) Cousins. I just feel like what we need is a more mobile back and that's not Kirk.
[/quote] The Kirk Cousins idea actually sounds tempting. But as for the Romo idea...NO WAY. I would take Flacco ANY DAY over Romo. Besides, Romo folds like a cheap suit in crunch time more than Flacco does.
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Reed says he is not up to snuff because of the flu, go ahead and blow your nose with 100 bills! Might as well stick a cardboard cutout out on the field for all the good he did on that play!
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Andy Reid as OC and Michael Vick will both be available in two weeks. Do you really want an offensive minded genius as OC well Philly is about to can one along with an elite running injury prone name QB. 5 plaYOFFS in s years---Flacco is a Super Bowl talent. Turnovers happen. Injuries happen but the Ravens are in and the hayed America's team STEALers ain't going to make it thgis year, Big Ben better than Joe?
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alex smith will be a free agent no way he stays as a backup for the 49ers thats an option. as for winning the afc north lets try winning a game first ...once we hurdle that lets progress. the draft for qb's is not looking good and tyrod taylor sucked against third and fourth string players he is not a viable option.
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The ONLY thing I hate more than the "100% homer Ravens fan" are the guys calling for us to put Tyrod Taylor in.
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I'm actually confused, because by my calculations, the Steelers can't win the division...

If we lose out, and Pittsburgh wins out, that's three teams at 9-7.

Cincinnati is automatically eliminated due to two losses to Pittsburgh. So it would be between us and Pittsburgh.

When it reverts to two clubs, the following are used for tiebreakers:

1. Head to head - tied 1-1
2. Best win pct in division games - Both would be 4-2.
3. Best win pct in common games - Both us and Steelers would be 7-5 in common games
4. Best win pct in conference games - Pittsburgh would be 6-6 in conf games, we would be 8-4.

So how exactly is Pittsburgh still capable of winning division?
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Name another QB that has his team in the playoffs every year he has been in the league. Go ahead name one.
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Folks, The Ravens are a team. I don't think it is fair to base what has been going on on any one player or coach. To all those who think we should get rid of Joe Flacco let me ask, realistically, who would you put in his place? Is he a top tier QB? Probably not. Is he a good QB I would say yes. The OB's like Payton Manning are extremely rare. They are called elite (that's a over used term) for a reason. It's because they are heads and shoulders above everyone else. Just because Joe is not a Payton Manning doesn't make him a bad OB. Set your emotions aside and look at his entire body of work and compare it to other QB's and what would be available to the Ravens to pick up if Joe walks. You might find you aren't so anxious to get rid of him after all. The truth is the whole team needs to step up.
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[quote name='rmcjacket23' timestamp='1355760394' post='1267600']
I'm actually confused, because by my calculations, the Steelers can't win the division...

If we lose out, and Pittsburgh wins out, that's three teams at 9-7.

Cincinnati is automatically eliminated due to two losses to Pittsburgh. So it would be between us and Pittsburgh.

When it reverts to two clubs, the following are used for tiebreakers:

1. Head to head - tied 1-1
2. Best win pct in division games - Both would be 4-2.
3. Best win pct in common games - Both us and Steelers would be 7-5 in common games
4. Best win pct in conference games - Pittsburgh would be 6-6 in conf games, we would be 8-4.

So how exactly is Pittsburgh still capable of winning division?
[/quote] i thought so too but after reading the story i figured i got the math wrong somehow even after double checking but i couldnt find my error so i'm lost.
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[quote name='dhartm2' timestamp='1355760334' post='1267597']
The ONLY thing I hate more than the "100% homer Ravens fan" are the guys calling for us to put Tyrod Taylor in.
[/quote] what is a "100% homer ravens fan "
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[quote name='axisofeeble' timestamp='1355760239' post='1267594']
Andy Reid as OC and Michael Vick will both be available in two weeks. Do you really want an offensive minded genius as OC well Philly is about to can one along with an elite running injury prone name QB. 5 plaYOFFS in s years---Flacco is a Super Bowl talent. Turnovers happen. Injuries happen but the Ravens are in and the hayed America's team STEALers ain't going to make it thgis year, Big Ben better than Joe?
[/quote] I'm not sure what you're getting at. And your apologizing for Flacco is getting tired, along with the "what if Flacco didn't throw that int" stuff. Flacco DID throw the INT and Flacco DID fumble (9 times now this yer). If Flacco was a "super bowl talent"; don't you think he'd be there by now? This was his year. He was supposed to lift this team to new offensive heights. But it didn't happen. All we have is the same ol' Joe. Same stats, some bonehead plays and same LACK OF pre snap reads. He's veteran witha rookie brain. Flacco is who he is...a better than average QB who can't put together great games on a consistent basis.

And just say no to Vick. That dude is sorry excuse for a QB and a human being. Sorry...he's a lazy, self centered jerk. Always has been, always will be. Oh, and he's a loser.

Oh, and Big Ben is actually a winner. Flacco doesn't come close. Just because Flacco plays for the Ravens, it doesn't mean we have to lie to ourselves and pretend that he's great. He's not great, never will be.
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[quote name='axisofeeble' timestamp='1355760445' post='1267601']
Name another QB that has his team in the playoffs every year he has been in the league. Go ahead name one.
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Well, Brady goes to the playoffs about every year, the only year in my recent memory is when he got hurt in 08 and they still went 11-5, Rodgers has done the same since he became starter i believe, and Peyton Manning does the same except when he first came into the league but that was about 17 years ago on a terrible Colts team.

I get your point, buttttt if you look at the past 4 years, our D has been in the top 5 each of those years. Flacco and the offense were not very impressive. i know he did enough to get us to the super bowl last year, but what about the years before? He cost us the game basically in 2010 against Pitt. In 09 he didn't play so hot at indy, and 08 we had a heck of a D. Flacco can get us to the super bowl, but i really believe we have to have top 5 Defenses for him to get us there, my point is i don't think he can carry us to a super bowl....
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it's sad to say but joe is not an elite qb.he still makes the big mistakes under pressure. i guess he reminds me of tony romo.until he goes to the superbowl,hes will never be an elite qb.
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metalraven,

I thought lost year was Joe's year to be honest. The moment I saw that Suggs and Webb were essentially going to miss a ton of time, that was enough for me to acknowledge that this wasn't going to be the year we went to the Superbowl.

I still haven't gotten over how close we were to making it last year, and frankly, by the fact that we in my opinion were the better team in Foxboro on that day.
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[quote name='axisofeeble' timestamp='1355760445' post='1267601']
Name another QB that has his team in the playoffs every year he has been in the league. Go ahead name one.
[/quote] Name another QB who has had the Ravens dominant defense, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata, Terrell Suggs, ect...for the past 5 years?

Take ANY of those away, and you MIGHT make the playoffs...but with Flacco, I doubt it. He needs all the help he can get. He's not a leader, he needs to be lead.
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Ravens in the playoffs again. Joe is 5 for 5. Actually if the Ravens were 6-8 right now it would have been a disaster of a season but remember without the replacement refs got us the Pats,Dez dropped the 2 pt conversion and Rice's 4th and 29 miracle this team is blessed. 9 to 6 over KC? 5-9 no playoffs and "IF" Evans catches&holds that pass or if John calls timeout and Cundiff calmly hits the FG Joe might be the defending Super Bowl QB in a match up with his losing SB QB next week instead of the QB leading his Ravens into yet another playoff run. 5 for 5 in the playoofs Who has it better than US ??
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[quote name='redravenfan' timestamp='1355760540' post='1267605']
i thought so too but after reading the story i figured i got the math wrong somehow even after double checking but i couldnt find my error so i'm lost.
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I believe that after all that it comes down to the 2nd game between the 2 teams, so technically the steelers own the tiebreaker because they beat us the 2nd game. Im not 100 percent sure on that, but i do believe thats how the steelers can still win the division
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@Mad Scientist Too....... Thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself. All these players, imho, don't deserve to get dumped on so distastefully. Am I unhappy with 3 losses? Sure, but to say this team isn't a winning team overall, is just ridiculous. They've hit a stumbling block and need to find a way past it. I believe they will. And if they don't, they still end up 9-7. I'm sure fans of many other teams wish their team was even that successful this year. Sorry, there are many more serious things going on than to get this over-wound over a few losses in football.
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Whether you win the 2nd game or 1st game in a H2H doesnt matter.

Based on my calculations, I don't see how Pittsburgh wins a tiebreak over us. But my guess is that I'm misreading the 3 time playoff format. I'm thinking we can't just eliminate Cincy out of a 3 team tie based on H2H record, since in theory, Cincy could beat us twice, we could beat Pittsburgh twice, and Pittsburgh could beat Cincy twice, which would basically cancel out all H2H matchups (in theory).

But if I read the tiebreaking rules correctly, then I still don't see it.
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Well, you got your Jim Caldwell people, did it taste good?
I wont say i told you so since, in fairness, literally half our squad is on an injury list at this point and it was only the first game, but it bears reiterating that for exactly those reasons PLUS the fact that Caldwell's never called a game before, changing OCs RIGHT before the playoffs was a horribly dumb idea.

The Giants are certainly more than flappable having been washed by the Bengals, nearly washed by the Browns, and shut out by the Falcons yesterday, but im still not expecting a while lot from the Ravens come next sunday. And this definitely wont be a good playoff run...only so many injuries and team trauma we can take, this is for us this season. a playoff match, maybe two, then looking forward to next year.
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