A growing pain Game

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1355765084' post='1267741']


LOL, I hate anything Pittsburgh, the Penguins, Panthers, Steelers, Pirates, Heinz Ketchup, but if calling me a Steeler fan makes you feel better about the poor play at quarterback for the Ravens then be my guest.
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I'm sorry, the way you courageously jumped in to defend Big Jen and have taken every opportunity to slam the Ravens team had me confused.

[Sizzlebshu]

Look Flacco is no better and no worse than Eli Manning and I bet everyone of you who hate Flacco would kill to have Eli here. Why? Cause he won the big one twice but guess what Eli has? A strong D, good receivers, and an o line that can block. What does Joe have? Ray Rice and thats it.

To those who are going I told you so after one game Flacco is a franchise qb. What you guys seems to want is a HoF qb which Flacco probably isn't going to be. You want a guy like Rodgers Peyton or Ben. Guess how few and far between those are

Brees
Peyton
Rodgers
Roethelisberger
Brady

and thats about it. 5/32 teams have a HoF QB and with the exception of Rodgers all of them were taken almost 8+ years ago. Do you understand how rare that is? Do you get it now? They are amazingly hard to find and you have to hit the lottery to find one. Do you really think that we should let Joe go to play the lottery year after year like Cleveland does?

Its like you guys want Flacco to fail which is stupid because it means you want this team to fail. Who gives a damn if Flacco is elite if we win a superbowl right? Thats the main goal right? Flacco is good enough to win a superbowl because Eli Manning and him have the same numbers and Eli is much more mistake prone and still has won 2.

[CalvinSmoke]

The play calling was fine. Getting 2 yards a carry from Rice was hard to watch.

Seeing Bernard Pierce begining to slice up the Defense, but then have penalties erase a good run and then him getting a concussion was hard to watch.

Then having Joe miss fire on everything was just painful. But it wasn't play calling at all.

[Hardbaugh]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1355765551' post='1267752']
He can't just "take" the reins. I guess that is what disappointed me in Caldwell this game. The leash on Joe was not loosened. I wonder too if it is a bad idea right now for Caldwell to be up in the booth removed from the players (since he is new to being OC). That could be a big part of the problem.
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Boy.. you people never run out of excuses..... What's next the dog ate Flacco's playbook? Caldwell was not responsible for the dumb fumble coming on the heels of the head coach stating that Flacco needs to have better ball security or the 6th round rookie type throw Flacco made on the pick 6.

People have to be beating their heads against the wall in the Ravens front office with this guy at quarterback. Besides his clueless salary demands my issue is Flacco will get more people fired before he's done here.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1355765933' post='1267772']
[u][b]Boy.. you people never run out of excuses[/b][/u]..... What's next the dog ate Flacco's playbook. Caldwell was not responsible for the dumb fumble coming on the heels of the head coach stating that Flacco needs to have better ball security or the 6th round rookie type throw Flacco made on the pick 6.

People have to be beating their heads against the wall in the Ravens front office with this guy at quarterback. Besides his clueless salary demands my issue is Flacco will get more people fired before he's done here.
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they never run out! lol!

~Mili

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1355765908' post='1267770']
The play calling was fine. Getting 2 yards a carry from Rice was hard to watch.

Seeing Bernard Pierce begining to slice up the Defense, but then have penalties erase a good run and then him getting a concussion was hard to watch.

Then having Joe miss fire on everything was just painful. But it wasn't play calling at all.
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That Pierce has been great this year. Far better than I had anticipated. Seeing him go down was a killer. And then, seeing shades of the preseason as AA let that perfectly thrown ball drop between his hands on the wheel route had me shaking my head.

[Latch]

[quote name='Ngata Chance' timestamp='1355766094' post='1267780']


That Pierce has been great this year. Far better than I had anticipated. Seeing him go down was a killer. And then, seeing shades of the preseason as AA let that perfectly thrown ball drop between his hands on the wheel route had me shaking my head.
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pierce did a lot better than rice did yesterday. hope we can get him back sometime soon, he was a great pick up.

don't forget that overthrow-but-still-catchable-pass-what-how-did-you-not-get-that by Pitta. or that you're-not-in-college-anymore-torrey-TWO-FEET-IN by Smith. recievers have had butterfingers lately all around.

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='Latch' timestamp='1355766475' post='1267788']


pierce did a lot better than rice did yesterday. hope we can get him back sometime soon, he was a great pick up.

don't forget that overthrow-but-still-catchable-pass-what-how-did-you-not-get-that by Pitta. or that you're-not-in-college-anymore-torrey-TWO-FEET-IN by Smith. recievers have had butterfingers lately all around.
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Agreed, it's been extremely frustrating. Flacco takes a lot of heat, and lately that's been earned, but it's not all on him. Stuff like this sure doesn't help the cause.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='Latch' timestamp='1355766475' post='1267788']


pierce did a lot better than rice did yesterday. hope we can get him back sometime soon, he was a great pick up.

don't forget that overthrow-but-still-catchable-pass-what-how-did-you-not-get-that by Pitta. or that you're-not-in-college-anymore-torrey-TWO-FEET-IN by Smith. recievers have had butterfingers lately all around.
[/quote]Rice might have been feeling a little nervouse when Pierce started busting loose

[Gordo52]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1355704315' post='1265755']
Good point . Ozzie s stuck and there are several teams that will overpay for Flacco, the Jets in particular come to mind .

I think I would take Alex Smith right now over Flacco and I didn't think that a couple of years ago.
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Your freaking crazy. Omg

[Latch]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1355767280' post='1267804']
Rice might have been feeling a little nervouse when Pierce started busting loose
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they're just two different kinds of running backs. rice is more of a receiving back who can power a little bit, truck down the field you know. pierce is just poppin 10 yard runs.

[jimmypowder]

No I'm not crazy .if Joe keeps fumbling bumbling , pick 6 , deer in the headlights look ,
crazy high throwing I'm all for it .

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355766048' post='1267776']
they never run out! lol!

~Mili
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Well I hope we win next week and Tyrod gets the start versus the Bengals. (because it won't mean anything). We'll see how many excuses you come up with for "your guy" then. Because you already make more than enough for him already.

Furthermore, I stated it was "my disappointment" about not giving Joe more of the responsibility and merely an observation that being new to the OC position, it would serve him better to be down on the field with the players right now. If you think running up the gut on first and second down when there is nothing there over and over and over putting us in 3rd and long situations is an improvement in play calling, I don't know what to tell you. We need a good situational play caller, not someone who says "oh give it Rice" just because when it clearly isn't working.

[gabefergy]

The biggest problem Flacco faces is he doesnt move well. He can extend plays at times, but when he is under duress he doesnt have the athleticism to make plays with his feet. Against Denver, Flacco was hit or hurried over 50% of his drop backs. He is similar to Tom Brady in that he needs a clean pocket to be at his best. We have one of the worst pass-blocking Olines in the league which is a problem. This has been compounded much of the season by the design of the offense. Joe needs to wait for downfield routes to come open and much of the time our receivers do not uncover.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1355768998' post='1267843']
Well I hope we win next week and Tyrod gets the start versus the Bengals. (because it won't mean anything). [u][b]We'll see how many excuses you come up with for "your guy" then. Because you already make more than enough for him already.[/b][/u]

Furthermore, I stated it was "my disappointment" about not giving Joe more of the responsibility and merely an observation that being new to the OC position, it would serve him better to be down on the field with the players right now. If you think running up the gut on first and second down when there is nothing there over and over and over putting us in 3rd and long situations is an improvement in play calling, I don't know what to tell you. We need a good situational play caller, not someone who says "oh give it Rice" just because when it clearly isn't working.
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i posted 4 words that generated this type of response? my goodness! and when did you EVER see me post that Tyrod should replace Flacco as the starting QB? you haven't! but i have advocated for his release from this team to go some where else. that is for sure! but c'mon...let's keep it real. Tyrod is not this issue here! Flacco is the topic of conversation.

~Mili

[Hardbaugh]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1355768998' post='1267843']
Well I hope we win next week and Tyrod gets the start versus the Bengals. (because it won't mean anything). We'll see how many excuses you come up with for "your guy" then. Because you already make more than enough for him already.

Furthermore, I stated it was "my disappointment" about not giving Joe more of the responsibility and merely an observation that being new to the OC position, it would serve him better to be down on the field with the players right now. If you think running up the gut on first and second down when there is nothing there over and over and over putting us in 3rd and long situations is an improvement in play calling, I don't know what to tell you. We need a good situational play caller, not someone who says "oh give it Rice" just because when it clearly isn't working.
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I doubt Tyrod is the answer but Flacco has proven he isn't. If Flacco isn't part of the solution going forward and given his obscene salary demands and his equally obscene performances he is part of the problem.

After the next two games I hope they cut ties if Flacco doesn't come to his senses at the negotiating table. You can bet the Ravens have been more than fair with this guy and that's without even taking into account his poor stretch.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1355701978' post='1265599']
Why do people Judge so much? It was Jims FIRST GAME, and now you are calling Joe a bust? Oh give me a break, I expected a growing pain game. Flacco turned it on in the second, and threw a ball Torrey caught, and shouldve stayed in bounds. The game wasnt truly over until Cary gave up the points. You say I am full of [profanity deleted]? Well, let me say this.

Fixing an offense takes a whole offseason, and in one week, you expected immediant changes? WTH? I mean seriously people, have some common sense! IN ONE WEEK, YOU ALL EXPECTED THE O TO BE FIXED. Now you are blaming it all on Joe. Well let me all ask you this....

Why the hell were we passing at the goaline? RUN IT DAMNIT! That was his first mistake, and really his only one! I am glad he mixed up the formations, but Joe aint familiar with that yet. I expected this kind of game. This is the pros, problems are not fixed in one week.....
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Friend it has been almost 5 years, growing pains should be a thing of the past. Joe is now what should be his prime years as a QB and he has sputtered all season. No one knows why and i assume a lot of folks are worried that he may not be that guy to get us to the Bowl. Unless we have a defense that can keep every opponent to 14 points or less Joe will lose. He is making mistakes you expect to see from kaepernick but wait even he has better stats then Joe. What we need is a new set of rules that must be followed when playing against Joe.

Joe's Rules for us all, please read and learn to accept them.

On Offense:

No pressure, he just loses all of his thought processes.
Never expect a ball to lead the receiver when in a route. ALWAYS be prepared to come back towards the ball or have it sail way over your head.
If you have to, and this is a MUST have to hurry Flacco please be patient. He works better with 10 to 15 seconds to figure things out.
If you are a receiver by NO means should you expect Joe to worry about leaving you out there for a bad hit. He will throw it high and you will land on your head.

On Defense:

Please be prepared to play 40 to 45 minutes on the field as Joe gets through his 3 downs pretty quick.
Do not expect him to score every game and it would be great if you score some to assist in the wins.
I will also turn the ball over giving the opponents offense a very short field so you have to try and stop them a couple times a games.

Special Teams:

I will need you to score also for me to win.
I will also need you to punt from the end zone many times so please be aware.

The Fans:

Do not be surprised when i lose all sensibilities during a game.
Also you cannot expect me to make more then 35 to 45 % of my passes.
I may also get my receivers hurt so they might be absent every once in awhile.
In the near future i will expect top 5 money but not deserve it so expect other players to be cut or get a drop in their earnings.
Never expect me to accept responsibility and win games by myself, that is why we have a defense to score and a special teams group to score. After all i am only an average player.

As long as the above is respected we should get along fine.

Please follow these rules during all games as Joe is special and needs some consideration on your part to make it a fair game.

[CalvinSmoke]

I wonder how this board will look if Joe lights it up next week... just saying

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1355782046' post='1268185']
I wonder how this board will look if Joe lights it up next week... just saying
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They will call BS.... Major BS!

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1355782046' post='1268185']
I wonder how this board will look [u][b]if[/b][/u] Joe lights it up next week... just saying
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"IF" is the operative word...just saying.

~Mili

[Latch]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1355782046' post='1268185']
I wonder how this board will look if Joe lights it up next week... just saying
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the good ones will be relieved. the bad ones will be stubborn.

[Grendelwulf21]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1355782046' post='1268185']
I wonder how this board will look if Joe lights it up next week... just saying
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Then the ones who hate Flacco will have the excuses this time, Elohel, it goes either way really, but it's whatev's

[display name]

[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1355765084' post='1267741']
LOL, I hate anything Pittsburgh, the Penguins, Panthers, Steelers, Pirates, Heinz Ketchup, but if calling me a Steeler fan makes you feel better about the poor play at quarterback for the Ravens then be my guest.
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Nice sig.

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1355701978' post='1265599']
Why do people Judge so much? It was Jims FIRST GAME, and now you are calling Joe a bust? Oh give me a break, I expected a growing pain game. Flacco turned it on in the second, and threw a ball Torrey caught, and shouldve stayed in bounds. The game wasnt truly over until Cary gave up the points. You say I am full of [profanity deleted]? Well, let me say this.

Fixing an offense takes a whole offseason, and in one week, you expected immediant changes? WTH? I mean seriously people, have some common sense! IN ONE WEEK, YOU ALL EXPECTED THE O TO BE FIXED. Now you are blaming it all on Joe. Well let me all ask you this....

Why the hell were we passing at the goaline? RUN IT DAMNIT! That was his first mistake, and really his only one! I am glad he mixed up the formations, but Joe aint familiar with that yet. I expected this kind of game. This is the pros, problems are not fixed in one week.....
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Very well said! A like wasn't enough Lol I've been saying this on almost every Forum where they're bashing Joe.
But I said the same exact thing when we were on the 4 yard line down 10-0 "run the ball" There was 40 seconds left, we had THREE time outs, it was first down, not to mention that we have a touchdown machine in Ray Rice.

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='Warren2621' timestamp='1355702684' post='1265641']
Its not about the offense scheme. its about the fact that our QB overthrows open receivers, doesnt move his feet well, cant feel pressure, and makes bad decisions.

a premeditated throw that went for a pick six isnt caused by a new system. its caused by the quarterback. Flacco never steps up and gets rid of the ball when he feels pressure, and even when he does, the throw is so erratic its ridiculous.

I thought a few things looked better today (except for a 2nd and 20 run play that had Cam written all over it). Flacco just is not a threat. When Peyton feels heat, he shuffles his feet and hits the open spot left by the blitzer.

When Flacco feels heat, he panics and tries to escape the pocket where he either gets sacked, or he throws a ball thats so off we cant tell where its going.
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Lol see now that's just not fair. You're comparing Joe(an average, good QB at best) to a Peyton Manning (4-time MVP, future HOF) That's most of our fans problems right there, we're expecting Joe to be something greater than what he is. I'm with you my dude I wish he was more accurate, didn't fumble and had better pocket presence but as of right now he doesn't. You saying that Flacco isn't a threat is very inaccurate. Did you forget about the game in Pittsburgh last year where he drove us down the field 92 yards against our arch rivals to win the game.. he didn't get us in field goal range HE threw the TD pass. Or did you forget about the AFC championship game where he outplayed future HOF Tom Brady ON THE ROAD and took us to the superbowl, but a dropped pass by (name doesn't need to be mentioned) negated that. Oh yeah all he's done in his first 5 seasons is have a winning record in each as well as taken our team to the tourney each of the 5 times.

I'm right there with you man I wish Flacco was elite, but he isn't he's average and on his streaky days he's pretty damn good.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='TonyTone1192' timestamp='1355791815' post='1268417']
Lol see now that's just not fair. You're comparing Joe(an average, good QB at best) to a Peyton Manning (4-time MVP, future HOF) [u][b]That's most of our fans problems right there, we're expecting Joe to be something greater than what he is.[/b][/u] I'm with you my dude I wish he was more accurate, didn't fumble and had better pocket presence but as of right now he doesn't. You saying that Flacco isn't a threat is very inaccurate. Did you forget about the game in Pittsburgh last year where he drove us down the field 92 yards against our arch rivals to win the game.. he didn't get us in field goal range HE threw the TD pass. Or did you forget about the AFC championship game where he outplayed future HOF Tom Brady ON THE ROAD and took us to the superbowl, but a dropped pass by (name doesn't need to be mentioned) negated that. Oh yeah all he's done in his first 5 seasons is have a winning record in each as well as taken our team to the tourney each of the 5 times.

I'm right there with you man I wish Flacco was elite, but he isn't he's average and on his streaky days he's pretty damn good.
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not me! i've seen enough of Flacco for 5 years now to know what he is. imo, he's a very average QB and even average QB's can have a good game or two in spurts which will make you "think" that they are more than what they are.

~Mili

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1355771435' post='1267899']
The biggest problem Flacco faces is he doesnt move well. He can extend plays at times, but when he is under duress he doesnt have the athleticism to make plays with his feet. Against Denver, Flacco was hit or hurried over 50% of his drop backs. He is similar to Tom Brady in that he needs a clean pocket to be at his best. We have one of the worst pass-blocking Olines in the league which is a problem. This has been compounded much of the season by the design of the offense. Joe needs to wait for downfield routes to come open and much of the time our receivers do not uncover.
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Without Yanda is may be the worst pass blocking line .

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1355773787' post='1267969']
I doubt Tyrod is the answer but Flacco has proven he isn't. If Flacco isn't part of the solution going forward and given his obscene salary demands and his equally obscene performances he is part of the problem.

After the next two games I hope they cut ties if Flacco doesn't come to his senses at the negotiating table. You can bet the Ravens have been more than fair with this guy and that's without even taking into account his poor stretch.
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You have no idea if they've been fair or not, or even made an offer. None. Zero. Zip. The only time you're ever around here with this many posts is when Flacco has a bad game. That is the type of "glee" I was speaking about. His agent made a comment about Top 5 money, Flacco hasn't said a word about it. It surely isn't Flacco's fault, nor his agent's, that some certain scrub QBs were paid too much, pushing Flacco into a higher pay grade because he is simply better than they are.

We've played the QB carousel around here. We had superior defenses during that time. But somehow, none have won as much as Flacco. But that has nothing to do with him, I know. It is completely illogical thinking. And now, everyone wants to go back to that? That is just insane.

[frangecko112]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1355801544' post='1268649']
You have no idea if they've been fair or not, or even made an offer. None. Zero. Zip. The only time you're ever around here with this many posts is when Flacco has a bad game. That is the type of "glee" I was speaking about. His agent made a comment about Top 5 money, Flacco hasn't said a word about it. It surely isn't Flacco's fault, nor his agent's, that some certain scrub QBs were paid too much, pushing Flacco into a higher pay grade because he is simply better than they are.

We've played the QB carousel around here. We had superior defenses during that time. But somehow, none have won as much as Flacco. But that has nothing to do with him, I know. It is completely illogical thinking. And now, everyone wants to go back to that? That is just insane.
[/quote]it's about time someone has said this, honestly why do many of fans think it was flacco who asked for the money when really it was only the agent who said it. if flacco is really as greedy as some fans may put him as then how come he never brings it up? Yes, flacco will may never be an elite QB but he's still a good QB who can win games and that's all that really matters. this fanbase just expects so much out of this guy it's really ridiculous.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Grendelwulf21' timestamp='1355790805' post='1268386']
Then the ones who hate Flacco will have the excuses this time, Elohel, it goes either way really, but it's whatev's
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No the majority of them simply go back under the rocks they crawl out from under. They are only here posting a billion times a day when he has a bad game or we lose (even if it wasn't his fault, they claim it was). Then when he has another bad game, they'll all come back.