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A growing pain Game

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Why do people Judge so much? It was Jims FIRST GAME, and now you are calling Joe a bust? Oh give me a break, I expected a growing pain game. Flacco turned it on in the second, and threw a ball Torrey caught, and shouldve stayed in bounds. The game wasnt truly over until Cary gave up the points. You say I am full of [profanity deleted]? Well, let me say this.

Fixing an offense takes a whole offseason, and in one week, you expected immediant changes? WTH? I mean seriously people, have some common sense! IN ONE WEEK, YOU ALL EXPECTED THE O TO BE FIXED. Now you are blaming it all on Joe. Well let me all ask you this....

Why the hell were we passing at the goaline? RUN IT DAMNIT! That was his first mistake, and really his only one! I am glad he mixed up the formations, but Joe aint familiar with that yet. I expected this kind of game. This is the pros, problems are not fixed in one week.....
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Its not about the offense scheme. its about the fact that our QB overthrows open receivers, doesnt move his feet well, cant feel pressure, and makes bad decisions.

a premeditated throw that went for a pick six isnt caused by a new system. its caused by the quarterback. Flacco never steps up and gets rid of the ball when he feels pressure, and even when he does, the throw is so erratic its ridiculous.

I thought a few things looked better today (except for a 2nd and 20 run play that had Cam written all over it). Flacco just is not a threat. When Peyton feels heat, he shuffles his feet and hits the open spot left by the blitzer.

When Flacco feels heat, he panics and tries to escape the pocket where he either gets sacked, or he throws a ball thats so off we cant tell where its going.
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[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1355702765' post='1265648']
I agree with some sentiments above. But some of you act like it's so easy to find a QB.
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That's what sucks. We had to take a QB in a weak draft class and he can actually play well enough to not be cut. But he's also not playing like an elite franchise QB so im sure Ozzie is stuck. How do you get rid of a guy that wins 12 games every year? But then how do you keep a guy that can define his career by inconsistency?
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[quote name='Warren2621' timestamp='1355702933' post='1265660']


That's what sucks. We had to take a QB in a weak draft class and he can actually play well enough to not be cut. But he's also not playing like an elite franchise QB so im sure Ozzie is stuck. How do you get rid of a guy that wins 12 games every year? But then how do you keep a guy that can define his career by inconsistency?
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Good point . Ozzie s stuck and there are several teams that will overpay for Flacco, the Jets in particular come to mind .

I think I would take Alex Smith right now over Flacco and I didn't think that a couple of years ago.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1355701978' post='1265599']
Why do people Judge so much? It was Jims FIRST GAME, and now you are calling Joe a bust? Oh give me a break, I expected a growing pain game. Flacco turned it on in the second, and threw a ball Torrey caught, and shouldve stayed in bounds. The game wasnt truly over until Cary gave up the points. You say I am full of [profanity deleted]? Well, let me say this.

Fixing an offense takes a whole offseason, and in one week, you expected immediant changes? WTH? I mean seriously people, have some common sense! IN ONE WEEK, YOU ALL EXPECTED THE O TO BE FIXED. Now you are blaming it all on Joe. Well let me all ask you this....

Why the hell were we passing at the goaline? RUN IT DAMNIT! That was his first mistake, and really his only one! I am glad he mixed up the formations, but Joe aint familiar with that yet. I expected this kind of game. This is the pros, problems are not fixed in one week.....
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It was NOT about the playcalling!
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[quote name='display name' timestamp='1355705098' post='1265830']
It was NOT about the playcalling!
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I heard a lot of ppl say it was.... Just trying to straighten things out..... I am frustrated with Joe, but he has helped us get to the playoffs his last 5 years....
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Flacco has been little more than a caretaker. The more rope this franchise gives him the more he hangs himself. Cam knew exactly what he had all along. Flacco got Cameron fired who's next?
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Joe rode a strong defense and running game the first few years. He needs to put on the big boy pants and saddle up for a playoff run.
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[quote name='frank21054' timestamp='1355705919' post='1265936']
Joe rode a strong defense and running game the first few years. He needs to put on the big boy pants and saddle up for a playoff run.
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Strong D and run game explain our 9 wins right?
NOPE wrong again!
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1355706272' post='1265968']
Strong D and run game explain our 9 wins right?
NOPE wrong again!
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Considering what the person you quoted said, it's not hard to see. Our two best years was 2008 and 2011, both years with imposing defenses and we went to the AFC Champ game. Years our defense were suspect in 2009, 2010 and this year the team has been VERY beatable.

If I'm Ozzie, I'm done giving Joe weapons and the next draft is entirely both the front 7 and the Oline. I'm making the team run the ball behind Leach at least 15 times a game and using Flacco for PA.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1355701978' post='1265599']
Why do people Judge so much? It was Jims FIRST GAME, and now you are calling Joe a bust? Oh give me a break, I expected a growing pain game. Flacco turned it on in the second, and threw a ball Torrey caught, and shouldve stayed in bounds. The game wasnt truly over until Cary gave up the points. You say I am full of [profanity deleted]? Well, let me say this.

Fixing an offense takes a whole offseason, and in one week, you expected immediant changes? WTH? I mean seriously people, have some common sense! IN ONE WEEK, YOU ALL EXPECTED THE O TO BE FIXED. Now you are blaming it all on Joe. Well let me all ask you this....

Why the hell were we passing at the goaline? RUN IT DAMNIT! That was his first mistake, and really his only one! I am glad he mixed up the formations, but Joe aint familiar with that yet. I expected this kind of game. This is the pros, problems are not fixed in one week.....
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How was it a mistake to call as pass on the goal line? I liked the no huddle up tempo down there. Joe was just late in getting the ball and threw a bad pass. That was all Joe, not Jim Caldwell.
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1355711010' post='1266345']
Considering what the person you quoted said, it's not hard to see. Our two best years was 2008 and 2011, both years with imposing defenses and we went to the AFC Champ game. Years our defense were suspect in 2009, 2010 and this year the team has been VERY beatable.

If I'm Ozzie, I'm done giving Joe weapons and the next draft is entirely both [b]the front 7 and the Oline[/b]. I'm making the team run the ball behind Leach at least 15 times a game and using Flacco for PA.
[/quote]Definitely #1 priority next year; all of our top 4 draft picks should go for OT.....
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1355711010' post='1266345']
Considering what the person you quoted said, it's not hard to see. Our two best years was 2008 and 2011, both years with imposing defenses and we went to the AFC Champ game. Years our defense were suspect in 2009, 2010 and this year the team has been VERY beatable.

If I'm Ozzie, I'm done giving Joe weapons and the next draft is entirely both the front 7 and the Oline. I'm making the team run the ball behind Leach at least 15 times a game and using Flacco for PA.
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FLACCO IS NOT A BAD QB! I am not a Flacco lover by any means, IK he had a crap game, but the entire team has played like crap these past three weeks. You people are so caught up believing what the [profanity deleted] media says that you do not see,
ONE DAMN PERSON DOES NOT LOSE A GAME IN A TEAM SPORT! We all suck now..... Joe isn't the problem, but he aint the answer....
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1355711648' post='1266389']
FLACCO IS NOT A BAD QB! I am not a Flacco lover by any means, IK he had a crap game, but the entire team has played like crap these past three weeks. You people are so caught up believing what the [profanity deleted] media says that you do not see,
ONE DAMN PERSON DOES NOT LOSE A GAME IN A TEAM SPORT! We all suck now..... Joe isn't the problem, but he aint the answer....
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I didn't say he was a terrible QB, but he's not a guy who can sit back and sling it, his awareness won't allow for success and he's slow going through his reads. To fix the problem, make him a guy who works off of PA and a strong run game. Make him Jake Delhomme when Carolina was good. How damn difficult is that to understand.

Give him a good Oline and a strong front 7 on defense. The only games Flacco wins gunslinging is against just awful defenses. And then he's prone to whatever the hell kind of games you want to call Jax/ Seattle last year.
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1355711854' post='1266399']
I didn't say he was a terrible QB, but he's not a guy who can sit back and sling it, his awareness won't allow for success and he's slow going through his reads. To fix the problem, make him a guy who works off of PA and a strong run game. Make him Jake Delhomme when Carolina was good. How damn difficult is that to understand.

Give him a good Oline and a strong front 7 on defense. The only games Flacco wins gunslinging is against just awful defenses. And then he's prone to whatever the hell kind of games you want to call Jax/ Seattle last year.
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I'd say he is more of a Roethlisberger minus the injuries and the stupidity. He is a QB who can win games with a great D and a solid O-Line (Roth isnt a gun slinger, benefits from having great weapons, but has always had solid running game). Everyone is prone to those kind of games. But Flacco needs to fix his awarness problems, as they are seemingly getting worse and worse. WTH happened? We fired Zorn. I say, promote Caldwell and hire Zorn! Anyone else with me?
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[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1355713169' post='1266503']
Mr.Irrelevant youve been on a crusade all day long to save Flacco....why

He sucks
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Inconsitent is the word you are looking for....
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[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1355714966' post='1266636']
No one remembers last years AFCCG?
I could have sworn Flacco was lights out
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My point exactly
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[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1355714966' post='1266636']
No one remembers last years AFCCG?
I could have sworn Flacco was lights out
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Last year is the key word. Words I should say. It's an all new season.
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1355715139' post='1266655']


Last year is the key word. Words I should say. It's an all new season.
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So we should give up on him after one season. Falcons didn't give up on Ryan when they missed the playoffs? Ryan has never even one them a playoff game! Flacco has! Omg we could be the Browns! Ryan may put up big numbers but he is nothing in playoffs! I'll take Joe over him in the playoffs any day of the year.
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1355715139' post='1266655']
Last year is the key word. Words I should say. It's an all new season.
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It has to do with the coaches if a player regresses... Thats why Norv is gone in SD, thats why Cam left. Unless it is age, or a really sucky player(which Flacco is not), than its on the coaches. BRING BACK ZORN!
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Flacco has just enough potential to get everyone around him fired. He's already succeded with Cameron . I agreed with the Cam firing because this franchise had to see what Flacco could do without him.

Flacco has gotten worse. It's as obvious as anything Cam kept the reigns on because he knew Flacco couldn't be trusted. Cam had to playcall with one armed tied behind his back because of Flacco's limitations. Next guy out the door should be Flacco, no way does he even deserve the franchise tag. He hasn't had a decent year since 2010 which happened to be the year he peaked. Yet he has the audacity to call himself a top five quarterback and demand top five money. When Flacco loses out get rid of Boller 2.0 before the next preseason game.



Speaking of Boller , I shouldn't be surprised people are defending Flacco's horrendous play as he's a little better than Boller and some in the fanbase defended that guy long after it was apparent to everyone outside Ravensnation that he was horrid.

I guess some in the fanbase will find an excuse for any quarterback they bring in..
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1355712161' post='1266416']

I'd say he is more of a Roethlisberger minus the injuries and the stupidity. He is a QB who can win games with a great D and a solid O-Line (Roth isnt a gun slinger, benefits from having great weapons, but has always had solid running game). Everyone is prone to those kind of games. But Flacco needs to fix his awarness problems, as they are seemingly getting worse and worse. WTH happened? We fired Zorn. I say, promote Caldwell and hire Zorn! Anyone else with me?
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flacco's...big ben??? um. no. sorry, but no. The Steelers o-line is garbage this year, and Pig Pen is still putting up good numbers. Even though they lost yesterday, he put on a much better show than Joe did. Joe is a statue in the pocket, which is just the stupidest thing to be when you're being protected by a bunch of bums. at least pig pen knows how to move around and make space. as much as as i hate the guy, it's stupid to compare him to Flacco.
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[quote name='Latch' timestamp='1355759231' post='1267560']
flacco's...big ben??? um. no. sorry, but no. The Steelers o-line is garbage this year, and Pig Pen is still putting up good numbers. Even though they lost yesterday, he put on a much better show than Joe did. Joe is a statue in the pocket, which is just the stupidest thing to be when you're being protected by a bunch of bums. at least pig pen knows how to move around and make space. as much as as i hate the guy, it's stupid to compare him to Flacco.
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Show? You care about the show? Sorry, I care about wins and losses. Right now Flacco has more wins with a worse o-line and a WAY worse defense. Flacco might not ever be better than he is right now, but give him Pittsburgh's defense and we'd be sitting pretty for the playoffs.
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[quote name='Latch' timestamp='1355759231' post='1267560']
flacco's...big ben??? um. no. sorry, but no. The Steelers o-line is garbage this year, and Pig Pen is still putting up good numbers. Even though they lost yesterday, he put on a much better show than Joe did. Joe is a statue in the pocket, which is just the stupidest thing to be when you're being protected by a bunch of bums. at least pig pen knows how to move around and make space. as much as as i hate the guy, it's stupid to compare him to Flacco.
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Irrevelents comments was good for laughs. Mentioning Flacco in the same paragraph as any of the great quarterbacks in the game should be cause for extreme laughter.
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[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1355759516' post='1267568']
Show? You care about the show? Sorry, I care about wins and losses. Right now Flacco has more wins with a worse o-line and a WAY worse defense. Flacco might not ever be better than he is right now, but give him Pittsburgh's defense and we'd be sitting pretty for the playoffs.
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Ben 2 Super Bowls and in the conversation at times for MVP. The Steelers can develope recievers with late picks because Ben's ability can help them with the learning curve, Flacco on the other hand......................No comparison
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[quote name='Warren2621' timestamp='1355702684' post='1265641']
Its not about the offense scheme. its about the fact that our QB overthrows open receivers, doesnt move his feet well, cant feel pressure, and makes bad decisions.

a premeditated throw that went for a pick six isnt caused by a new system. its caused by the quarterback. Flacco never steps up and gets rid of the ball when he feels pressure, and even when he does, the throw is so erratic its ridiculous.

I thought a few things looked better today (except for a 2nd and 20 run play that had Cam written all over it). Flacco just is not a threat. When Peyton feels heat, he shuffles his feet and hits the open spot left by the blitzer.

When Flacco feels heat, he panics and tries to escape the pocket where he either gets sacked, or he throws a ball thats so off we cant tell where its going.
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It's a little different when the QB is getting heat on every play. The best QBs look out of sorts and confused when the heat is on all the time. Let's use Brady as an example. When he gets heat on many plays he makes mistakes like everyone else but give him some time and he's deadly. Every QB overthrows a receiver now and then. Manning overthrew a few.
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[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1355759516' post='1267568']
Show? You care about the show? Sorry, I care about wins and losses. Right now Flacco has more wins with a worse o-line and a WAY worse defense. Flacco might not ever be better than he is right now, [u][b]but give him Pittsburgh's defense and we'd be sitting pretty for the playoffs.[/b][/u]
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but that is just it right there M3. lol! imo, Flacco has had a solid Ravens defense since he's been in the league to cover up his deficiencies as a QB. now that the Ravens D is plagued with injuries and some piss poor game play themselves....imo, Flacco has not taken the opportunity to step up and show that he is that "go-to guy" to elevate his offense or the entire team on a consistent basis. Flacco is not that dude M3! listen...we've watched him for 14 games now and imo, instead of getting better he is getting worse and on top of that....the "rookie" QB's (i.e. RG3, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson and now, even Colin Kaepernick) are outplaying our 5th year starting QB. and this season....our defensive weaknesses and deficiencies have truly exposed Flacco for what he is. you can't get blood out of a turnip!

~Mili
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Defense has sucked all year yet we're still 9-5 and in the playoffs. None of that is Joe or the offense?
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1355761070' post='1267619']
Defense has sucked all year yet we're still 9-5 and in the playoffs. None of that is Joe or the offense?
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How long you been here? lol Joe only loses games. He never contributes to any win.

[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1355757812' post='1267526']
Flacco has just enough potential to get everyone around him fired. He's already succeded with Cameron . I agreed with the Cam firing because this franchise had to see what Flacco could do without him.

Flacco has gotten worse. It's as obvious as anything Cam kept the reigns on because he knew Flacco couldn't be trusted. Cam had to playcall with one armed tied behind his back because of Flacco's limitations. Next guy out the door should be Flacco, no way does he even deserve the franchise tag. He hasn't had a decent year since 2010 which happened to be the year he peaked. Yet he has the audacity to call himself a top five quarterback and demand top five money. When Flacco loses out get rid of Boller 2.0 before the next preseason game.



Speaking of Boller , I shouldn't be surprised people are defending Flacco's horrendous play as he's a little better than Boller and some in the fanbase defended that guy long after it was apparent to everyone outside Ravensnation that he was horrid.

I guess some in the fanbase will find an excuse for any quarterback they bring in..
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Your sig actually stands for what Joe brings to the game aside from his arm. He gave his heart and soul on that play to try to prevent that TD when everyone else on the field quit on it. I watched "elite" Brady throw an INT and jump back and throw his arms up when the guy ran right next to him.

It was a horrid game. All players have them. All QBs have them. The issue isn't any criticism of his play. The issue is the glee which some cannot contain when he has a horrid game.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1355761070' post='1267619']
Defense has sucked all year yet we're still 9-5 and in the playoffs. None of that is Joe or the offense?
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c'mon B. lol! sure, we're 9-5 and in the playoffs but, we were just 9-2 not too long ago right? and the 3 games that we lost...i believe that Flacco has personally committed 5 turnovers that put our opponents in position to win the game.

~Mili
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[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1355761514' post='1267632']
How long you been here? lol Joe only loses games. He never contributes to any win.



Your sig actually stands for what Joe brings to the game aside from his arm. He gave his heart and soul on that play to try to prevent that TD when everyone else on the field quit on it. I watched "elite" Brady throw an INT and jump back and throw his arms up when the guy ran right next to him.

It was a horrid game. All players have them. All QBs have them. The issue isn't any criticism of his play. [b]The issue is the glee which some cannot contain when he has a horrid game.[/b]
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i think that the "glee" that you speak of from people is due to the fact that some of you in here attempt to defend Joe no matter what! i am one to quickly praise Joe for playing well and at the same time, i will smoke him when he plays like garbage. Joe is the QB. he touches the ball EVERY play. and i will always take what i see from him and his game play with my own eyes over what anyone else ever has to say about his game.

~Mili
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355760972' post='1267616']
but that is just it right there M3. lol! imo, Flacco has had a solid Ravens defense since he's been in the league to cover up his deficiencies as a QB. now that the Ravens D is plagued with injuries and some piss poor game play themselves....imo, Flacco has not taken the opportunity to step up and show that he is that "go-to guy" to elevate his offense or the entire team on a consistent basis. Flacco is not that dude M3! listen...we've watched him for 14 games now and imo, instead of getting better he is getting worse and on top of that....the "rookie" QB's (i.e. RG3, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson and now, even Colin Kaepernick) are outplaying our 5th year starting QB. and this season....our defensive weaknesses and deficiencies have truly exposed Flacco for what he is. you can't get blood out of a turnip!

~Mili
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I don't get it. Defensive trouble exposes Flacco's weakness? Last year Joe had plenty of time in the pocket but our receivers couldn't get open and the running game was not what it should be. Joe didn't lack pocket presence and look confused then. We lacked planning and good schemes on offense. Now Joe has about 3 seconds and when he does have time, rarely, he's not in a rhythm with the receivers.
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355761552' post='1267633']
c'mon B. lol! sure, we're 9-5 and in the playoffs but, we were just 9-2 not too long ago right? and the 3 games that we lost...i believe that Flacco has personally committed 5 turnovers that put our opponents in position to win the game.

~Mili
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True! Had Joe played perfect, we may not have lost those games but does that excuse the defense from allowing 23 pts to a Charlie Batch offense (and allowing them to eat the last 6 min of clock) or 31 pts to an RG3/Kirk Cousins offense (again failing in the waning minutes)?

Joe made mistakes in all of those games, he stunk in up against Denver, but it's heavy-handed to put all of the team's woes on Joe Flacco alone.
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We all wanted Caldwell to create a silk purse from the sow's ear but did any of us actually beleive he would? It is his first game at the position and he had a whole three days to prepare. What did anyone expect? We still have to shake off the Cam Cooties, and it will take more than a week. These guys have to be recoached at this point. It could be next season before we see any real change. It is just the way it is.

We all knew that getting rid of Cam would take a loser season. Well we got rid of Cam, so now we pay the piper. I am fine with that price tag.

We will go to our 5th playoff season in a row, we may very well take the division for a second time in a row in the process. Once in the playoffs, anything can happen. Probably won't, but it can.
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[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1355759516' post='1267568']


Show? You care about the show? Sorry, I care about wins and losses. Right now Flacco has more wins with a worse o-line and a WAY worse defense. Flacco might not ever be better than he is right now, but give him Pittsburgh's defense and we'd be sitting pretty for the playoffs.
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by 'show', i mean that he actually looked like he was a professional quarterback. yesterday, flacco looked like exactly what he is—a division II quarterback. if you're going to talk about wins and losses, then you might want to talk about how Roethlisberger has won Super Bowls, while Flacco hasn't even gotten there. i think that last year should've put a ring on everyone's finger, as Joe really showed up most of last year. as I've said before, he's an inconsistent quarterback who can't carry a team, unlike Roethlisberger where you get what you expected to get. lastly, if Flacco doesn't get any better than he was yesterday, we're in for a long season.
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[quote name='Latch' timestamp='1355762326' post='1267660']
by 'show', i mean that he actually looked like he was a professional quarterback. yesterday, flacco looked like exactly what he is—a division II quarterback. if you're going to talk about wins and losses, then you might want to talk about how Roethlisberger has won Super Bowls, while Flacco hasn't even gotten there. i think that last year should've put a ring on everyone's finger, as Joe really showed up most of last year. as I've said before, he's an inconsistent quarterback who can't carry a team, unlike Roethlisberger where you get what you expected to get. lastly, if Flacco doesn't get any better than he was yesterday, [b]we're in for a long season.[/b]
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LOL It's Week 16
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1355762003' post='1267648']


True! Had Joe played perfect, we may not have lost those games but does that excuse the defense from allowing 23 pts to a Charlie Batch offense (and allowing them to eat the last 6 min of clock) or 31 pts to an RG3/Kirk Cousins offense (again failing in the waning minutes)?

Joe made mistakes in all of those games, he stunk in up against Denver, but it's heavy-handed to put all of the team's woes on Joe Flacco alone.
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^^^^^exactly. you can't expect him to play perfect, but he could've at least held on to the ball for Pete's sake.
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355761552' post='1267633']
c'mon B. lol! sure, we're 9-5 and in the playoffs but, we were just 9-2 not too long ago right? and the 3 games that we lost...i believe that Flacco has personally committed 5 turnovers that put our opponents in position to win the game.

~Mili
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And we had the lead TWICE against Pittsburgh, which the defense gave up. We had the lead against Washington, too, which the defense gave up. When your defense is near the bottom of the league (and sadly ours is) not too many QBs can overcome that. Again, I'm not saying the Joe is elite...I'm saying that if our defense was even near the middle of the league, we'd be sitting pretty right now.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1355762441' post='1267663']


LOL It's Week 16
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and tell me that watching the game yesterday [i] wasn't [/i] the longest 3 hours of your life...
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[quote name='Latch' timestamp='1355762326' post='1267660']
by 'show', i mean that he actually looked like he was a professional quarterback. yesterday, flacco looked like exactly what he is—a division II quarterback. if you're going to talk about wins and losses, then you might want to talk about how Roethlisberger has won Super Bowls, while Flacco hasn't even gotten there. i think that last year should've put a ring on everyone's finger, as Joe really showed up most of last year. as I've said before, he's an inconsistent quarterback who can't carry a team, unlike Roethlisberger where you get what you expected to get. lastly, if Flacco doesn't get any better than he was yesterday, we're in for a long season.
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Don't forget that Ben had nothing to do with his first Super Bowl win...that was a gift from the refs and his defense. He did just about everything he could to lose that game. Joe would have a ring now, too, if Lee Evans had held onto that ball.
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[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1355761514' post='1267632']

Your sig actually stands for what Joe brings to the game aside from his arm. He gave his heart and soul on that play to try to prevent that TD when everyone else on the field quit on it. I watched "elite" Brady throw an INT and jump back and throw his arms up when the guy ran right next to him.

It was a horrid game. All players have them. All QBs have them. The issue isn't any criticism of his play. The issue is the glee which some cannot contain when he has a horrid game.
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In some alternate universe when Joe is able to win 1 Super Bowl let alone 3 please start comparisons with Tom Brady. Joe is a mediocre quarterback nothing more. There is no "glee" at all in saying that. I'd rather see the Ravens hoisting the Lombardi with Flacco as Super Bowl winning MVP but it's not in the cards. Flacco has been exposed , the more leeway this team gives him the more he screws it up. This guy wants more autonomy? Cameron knew exactly what he didn't have in Flacco yet the whole fanbase including myself gave saddled Cam with the problems on the offensive side. The main problem is number 5.

He never passed the eye test since his step back last season. Franchising this guy would be a real bad move.
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[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1355762480' post='1267666']
And we had the lead TWICE against Pittsburgh, which the defense gave up. We had the lead against Washington, too, which the defense gave up. When your defense is near the bottom of the league (and sadly ours is) not too many QBs can overcome that. Again, I'm not saying the Joe is elite...[b]I'm saying that if our defense was even near the middle of the league, we'd be sitting pretty right now.[/b]
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i agree M3 and imo, Flacco has had a great defense ever since he's been in the league and now that our defense is injury prone and banged up and not playing well, Flacco's deficiencies as a QB and his inability to be a leader of men are being exposed.

~Mili
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[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1355762597' post='1267670']


Don't forget that Ben had nothing to do with his first Super Bowl win...that was a gift from the refs and his defense. He did just about everything he could to lose that game. Joe would have a ring now, too, if Lee Evans had held onto that ball.
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i know that Ben really did nothing but throw the ball during those wins, but he did it on a consistent basis and played above-average, which was apparently enough. totally agree that we should be defending Super Bowl champions right now, but that year is over and it's time to put ourself back in that position. the entire team (aside from STs) is going backwards, so we really need Joe to step it up and lead the team to a successful postseason.
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[quote name='Latch' timestamp='1355762555' post='1267667']
and tell me that watching the game yesterday [i] wasn't [/i] the longest 3 hours of your life...
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Mentally tuned out after Flacco threw the pick-six. The game was over then, unfortunately. They had a marginally successful second half but it was of no consequence. I had other work to do so I stuck to that.

Flacco needs to improve but so does the entire team. The announcers were actually verbally abusing the defense when they couldn't stop the run even though they knew it was coming - also embarrassing. Knowshon Moreno put up almost 120 yds on us with 5.4 ypc... and Knowshon is AWFUL
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[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1355762597' post='1267670']
Joe would have a ring now, too, if Lee Evans had held onto that ball.
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If Flacco wouldn't have had his usual crap games against weak opponents like Jax and Tenn that championship game would have been played at home.

Since we're on the subject of championship game as I've seen numerous times people post here stating Lee Evans cost this team a Super Bowl. How is Flacco a Super Bowl winner is Lee Evans makes a catch in the AFC Championship game?
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355762725' post='1267673']
i agree M3 and imo, Flacco has had a great defense ever since he's been in the league and now that our defense is injury prone and banged up and not playing well, Flacco's deficiencies as a QB and his inability to be a leader of men are being exposed.

~Mili
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I'll agree to the deficiencies as a QB but we fans really have no idea as to his ability to be a leader of men. Everything I've ever heard from the other players is that they like, respect, and follow him.
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