Has this team quit on Harbaugh?

[berad]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1355763862' post='1267709']
Okay, then what's your solution? [b]Are these injuries just some fluke accident?[/b] I mean, this injury situation has become ridiculous. Either the Pittsburgh Steelers went to the Caribbean and got some Voodoo magic and used it on us or there is something wrong somewhere. The strength & conditioning coach is supposed to get these guys ready, and these guys haven't been this year. This is a "what have you done for me lately" league, and it's a lot easier to get rid of the strength & conditioning coach than Haloti Ngata.
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Yes! Sizzle hurting his Achilles in the off-season is bad luck. Lardarius tearing his ACL when he knocked knees is bad luck. Ray tearing his tri is bad luck (combined with age). Injuries are a part of the game, some years are good some are bad. This is a bad year.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1355764047' post='1267714']
Yes! Sizzle hurting his Achilles in the off-season is bad luck. Lardarius tearing his ACL when he knocked knees is bad luck. Ray tearing his tri is bad luck (combined with age). Injuries are a part of the game, [b]some years are good some are bad. This is a bad year.[/b]
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this has been a rough season for us B.

~Mili

[Latch]

I think it would be really interesting to see what they talked about in the locker room after that loss. we can only hope that it wasn't as panicked and reactive as the forum was after the loss, or else Tyrod will be starting on Sunday and the groundskeeper will be the only one who bisciotti didn't fire.

[RavenzAllDay]

Our team would never quit. It seems that he's a control freak, when he was asked it if was jim caldwells offense he said no and said its the ravens offense. As a fan i've gave up on him because he brings nothing to the table, and those challenges are costing us valuable timeouts!

[berad]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355764544' post='1267725']
this has been a rough season for us B.

~Mili
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Not as pretty as '06 or '11, I agree. While we shouldn't be satisfied with where we are now we should at least take solace in the fact that our team is in the post-season and still (while dim) has hope.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1355764047' post='1267714']


Yes! Sizzle hurting his Achilles in the off-season is bad luck. Lardarius tearing his ACL when he knocked knees is bad luck. Ray tearing his tri is bad luck (combined with age). Injuries are a part of the game, some years are good some are bad. This is a bad year.
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Suggs hurting his Achilles is a fluke, I said that before and still agree. Lardarius is something that can't be helped. You can prevent ACL injuries with strength training but I don't question Webb's training since he is one of our most self-motivated guys. Same with Ray, except I question him losing all that weight now because I think that contributed to his triceps injury.

As for Suggs' biceps injury, that is a mystery.

Outside of that, we've been terribly snake-bit. I can't take it as a coincidence, I am sorry. There is no such thing as a coincidence when probably half of roster is this banged-up. Yeah, I know you guys will make the excuse that every team has this happen, but look at the Texans. They're not that bad off. Look at the Patriots, too. Even the Broncos are doing OK with their injuries. There comes a point where it's a combination of injuries with other factors that make us lose games.

I am in no way excusing our performance on injuries nor blaming our performance on injuries. I am saying that injuries have seriously affected us and are a big reason why we are not playing well along with very poor execution from every single player here except Justin Tucker & probably Sam Koch.

Right now I'm mad because I know this team has better potential than this. I don't buy into the whole "they quit on Harbaugh" thing because they haven't. It's just frustrating when we continue to make the same mistakes every week with no improvement. And then we just keep getting injured more and more and more. Come on. Last week Yanda, Rice & Pollard. This week Suggs (again), Smith, Pierce?

I don't believe in coincidences when you have this many coincidences. There is a problem here and we need to find it.

As for the strength & conditioning coach, just because nobody complained about the conditioning before doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with it. Nor does it mean I am using that coach as a scapegoat for poor execution.

[AsianRice]

I'm still believing miracles regardless; some of our starters will be back in playoffs, and our young inexperienced starters will step up and excel. Joe will play up to his potential and excution is near perfection.

PS: Have to be positive cuz my work efficiency is a tad going down lately.....

[The Raven]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1355768763' post='1267840']
Suggs hurting his Achilles is a fluke, I said that before and still agree. Lardarius is something that can't be helped. You can prevent ACL injuries with strength training but I don't question Webb's training since he is one of our most self-motivated guys. Same with Ray, except I question him losing all that weight now because I think that contributed to his triceps injury.

As for Suggs' biceps injury, that is a mystery.

Outside of that, we've been terribly snake-bit. I can't take it as a coincidence, I am sorry. There is no such thing as a coincidence when probably half of roster is this banged-up. Yeah, I know you guys will make the excuse that every team has this happen, but look at the Texans. They're not that bad off. Look at the Patriots, too. Even the Broncos are doing OK with their injuries. There comes a point where it's a combination of injuries with other factors that make us lose games.

I am in no way excusing our performance on injuries nor blaming our performance on injuries. I am saying that injuries have seriously affected us and are a big reason why we are not playing well along with very poor execution from every single player here except Justin Tucker & probably Sam Koch.

Right now I'm mad because I know this team has better potential than this. I don't buy into the whole "they quit on Harbaugh" thing because they haven't. It's just frustrating when we continue to make the same mistakes every week with no improvement. And then we just keep getting injured more and more and more. Come on. Last week Yanda, Rice & Pollard. This week Suggs (again), Smith, Pierce?

I don't believe in coincidences when you have this many coincidences. There is a problem here and we need to find it.

[b]As for the strength & conditioning coach, just because nobody complained about the conditioning before doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with it. Nor does it mean I am using that coach as a scapegoat for poor execution.[/b]
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I'm just saying... you can't blame the injuries on him when we've been fine in prior years.
I've always thought that strength and conditioning is a responsibility of the players, more so than the coaches. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Look at Cody. Still in bad shape. But most of the team is conditioned well, aside from injuries.

[reediddy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1355754711' post='1267477']
If we are clearing out players like ed ray boldin birk. Would now not be the best time to clean house coaching staff wise? Even give de coasta Ozzies job.

Do it all in one year instead of implementing change gradually. Just take one hit like after the cap purge in 02 I think.
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Yeah, let's not be the Chargers

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1355771633' post='1267908']


Yeah, let's not be the Chargers
[/quote]sarcasm or agreement?

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1355713109' post='1266496']


Alot of the quitting comments are generally what I saw as well.
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We have to far different definitions on a "lot". He made 2 comments about guys quitting. About the Defense and Wrs. Both comments he talked about the 2nd half. The defense didn't "give up" on the run, those guys spent too much time on the field and could not longer hold up against a really good oline. The Run defense isn't strong to begin with.

As for the WRs, Torrey Smith got hurt just after halftime and Jacoby Jones not to far after that. Jacoby didn't return another punt after his injury, if he quit, why continue to fight as a WR. Would he just say he was too hurt to play? He was aready gimpy with a ankle injury coming into the game, and the hurt it more on that Kick Return. The guy didn't quit.

No Smith and a gimpy Jones, and that who was left? Doss fought hard on several balls over the middle, Reed came in and had a couple catches and Pitta, what more could you say about Pitta? The only guy who I wasn't happy with was my man Q, and as a huge fan of Boldin, i know the guy has a bit of WR Diva in him.

I can't tell you what you saw, or how to interpret it, but I didn't see quit.

[mlg207]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355764544' post='1267725']
this has been a rough season for us B.

~Mili
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I find it funny that "a rough season" is a season that most likely will end in a division championship, and a home playoff game (a very winnable one).

[TonyTone1192]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1355700111' post='1265459']
For the first time in the Harbaugh era I saw signs that our team quit in this Denver game .

I can't say I saw this before but during the Billick era there was a similar time when you saw this develop .

Give me your thoughts on this and no I don't think I'm blowing this loss out of proportion .
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Nahh my dude you are exactly right once we got down 31-3 mid way through the third the little sense of urgency our team was playing with had evaporated. We have the weapons to play from behind but we lack the coaching and conviction.
The pats were in the same exact scenario last night against a much better defense (yes I know they have Brady a future hall of famer) but they could've easily quit but decided to play with pride. We played with no pride AT ALL in Baltimore yesterday which made me sick.

[RavensAllTheWay]

This team has been to the playoffs every year he's been here. We've got the lead in the division, and we're going back to the postseason again. If the players aren't buying into their coach under these circumstances, then they need to be held more accountable. Losing, and I mean losing seasons, is the time to stop buying into your coach. Playoff seasons aren't.

People seem to forget that he inherited a 5-11 team with no QB, no O line (JO had just retired), and a brutal secondary just to name a few issues. Just because we had a couple of future HOFers on defense, doesn't automatically mean we were in a great situation. The 2007 season was filled with injuries and flukish losses, but that doesn't mean it doesn't count. It does.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='TonyTone1192' timestamp='1355792780' post='1268443']



Nahh my dude you are exactly right once we got down 31-3 mid way through the third the little sense of urgency our team was playing with had evaporated. We have the weapons to play from behind but we lack the coaching and conviction.
The pats were in the same exact scenario last night against a much better defense (yes I know they have Brady a future hall of famer) but they could've easily quit but decided to play with pride. We played with no pride AT ALL in Baltimore yesterday which made me sick.
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This is why Ed Reed called the game an embarrassment to Ravens Nation

[RavensAllTheWay]

Remember last spring when plenty of us were really skeptical about this coming season? Remember when most of us were worried about having to face all of those high powered offenses without our best defensive player and reigning DPoY? Didn't plenty of us predict that this would happen last May?

We've faced far more adversity this season than we have had to in any other year under Harbs, except probably 08. Even if we don't win it this year (praying we do), if we don't make any drastic changes, we can still come out with a fresh slate and put this sloppy season behind us. We'll be much healthier, younger guys will have more experience and a fresh new start at OC instead of on the fly. We'll be able to breathe some fresh air.

And by the way, yeah it's been a sloppy season, but at least we still have a shot.

[berad]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1355798722' post='1268593']
Remember last spring when plenty of us were really skeptical about this coming season? Remember when most of us were worried about having to face all of those high powered offenses without our best defensive player and reigning DPoY? Didn't plenty of us predict that this would happen last May?

We've faced far more adversity this season than we have had to in any other year under Harbs, except probably 08. Even if we don't win it this year (praying we do), if we don't make any drastic changes, we can still come out with a fresh slate and put this sloppy season behind us. We'll be much healthier, younger guys will have more experience and a fresh new start at OC instead of on the fly. We'll be able to breathe some fresh air.

And by the way, yeah it's been a sloppy season, but at least we still have a shot.
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Absolutely. A lot of prognosticators said this would be the year we wouldn't make the post-season and that was before the rash of extremely unlucky injuries. Yet, once again, the Ravens are going to be playing in January.

[Alexir]

Letting Ozzie go wouldn't be the worst idea, just not sure who we can hire because DeCosta and Ozzy have not been all that successful in the last couple drafts. Ozzie is relying on his reputation it seems, he's totally blanked on several picks. Yeah we've had diamonds in the rough with Yanda, Rice, and Webb, but overall I think we could of done better with other selections

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1355799101' post='1268601']
Absolutely. A lot of prognosticators said this would be the year we wouldn't make the post-season and that was before the rash of extremely unlucky injuries. Yet, once again, the Ravens are going to be playing in January.
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Seriously. The team has met or exceeded a lot of peoples preseason expectations, yet they want to pull the plug anyway.

Oh and I forgot, we were also scared of all of those elite pass rushers on our schedule too.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1355764047' post='1267714']
Yes! [u]Sizzle hurting his Achilles in the off-season is bad luck. Lardarius tearing his ACL when he knocked knees is bad luck. Ray tearing his tri is bad luck (combined with age[/u]). [b]Injuries are a part of the game, some years are good some are bad. This is a bad year.[/b]
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355764544' post='1267725']
[b]this has been a rough season for us B.[/b]

~Mili
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[quote name='mlg207' timestamp='1355792219' post='1268434']
[i][u][b]I find it funny that "a rough season" [/b][/u][/i]is a season that most likely will end in a division championship, and a home playoff game (a very winnable one).
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umm..my post was in reference to the injuries as mentioned in Berad's post.

~Mili

[mlg207]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355799376' post='1268609']
umm..my post was in reference to the injuries as mentioned in Berad's post.

~Mili
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I got that, but I see people around here talking about it being such a rough season (all the injuries and so forth) seeming to completely ingnore the fact that we're still about to be AFC North champs once again.

The injuries do suck, but we should be looking more at the positives about this season than the negatives.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1355799310' post='1268605']
Letting Ozzie go wouldn't be the worst idea, just not sure who we can hire because DeCosta and Ozzy have not been all that successful in the last couple drafts. Ozzie is relying on his reputation it seems, he's totally blanked on several picks. Yeah we've had diamonds in the rough with Yanda, Rice, and Webb, but overall I think we could of done better with other selections
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It's really hard to judge. A lot of the guys we drafted had tremendous college careers, but just haven't panned out as pros. Examples being Kruger, Kindle, Arthur Jones, Oher, Reid, etc...

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1355799310' post='1268605']
Letting Ozzie go wouldn't be the worst idea, just not sure who we can hire because DeCosta and Ozzy have not been all that successful in the last couple drafts. Ozzie is relying on his reputation it seems, he's totally blanked on several picks. Yeah we've had diamonds in the rough with Yanda, Rice, and Webb, but overall I think we could of done better with other selections
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Who doesn't have bad picks? Hindsight is 20/20, you can always do better after you see how players pan out. Exactly who would the Ravens had done better with "realistically " different selection?

You can't even get a accurate grade on the last couple of drafts yet because these guys are still finding their way in the NFL. Guys need time to develop and when you're talking about guys at the back end of each round because you're a playoff team, those guys probably aren't studs.


Of the 16 drafted players added over the last couple years, who are you saying is a bust
Smith
Smith
Reid
Doss
Brown
Mcphee
Taylor
Allen
Upshaw
KO
Gino
Pierce
Thompson
Streeter
Jackson
Tyson

[arnie_uk]

Pretty much every single 2010 pick except pitta and maybe art Jones are busts. Did you see who we passed up aswell? Jimmy graham gronk, Daryl Washington, geno Atkins etc etc.

That draft has set us back tremendously

[codizzle]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1355829506' post='1268979']
That draft has set us back tremendously
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Yes that draft has hurt us badly in developing new starting talent

If only kindle and Cody alone woulda turned into something, we'd be fine right now

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1355829506' post='1268979']
Pretty much every single 2010 pick except pitta and maybe art Jones are busts. [b]Did you see who we passed up as well? Jimmy graham gronk, Daryl Washington, geno Atkins etc etc.[/b]

That draft has set us back tremendously
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don't remind me arnie.

~Mili

[The Raven]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1355831715' post='1268988']
Yes that draft has hurt us badly in developing new starting talent

If only kindle and Cody alone woulda turned into something, we'd be fine right now
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If Kindle and Cody became what they were supposed to become this D would be top 5. Simple as that!

[Ravensfan23]

Yea the 2010 draft was a tough one, but was it really enough for Ozzie to be fired for? Really? To be honest, injury is what really hampered this draft class. But again hindsight is 20/20, knowing what you know now, no you don't take, Kindle or Cody, you probably trade up to get Gronk who went one pick before Kindle, maybe you trade up to get Washington who went like 5the picks before the Ravens pick.

Ozzie has had way more success then failures. Yes he has been given some passes because of his name, but he's earned that name. I'd be careful to be so quick to ship Ozzie off just because of a couple poor draft classes

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I think it was just the opposite It was Harb's that quit on the team. Let me explain.

Here is what we know:

Everyone knew cam was awful a year or even 2 ago correct ? Harbaugh did not have the testicles to do anything about it. So screw the team.

We all know Michael Oher is not a LT, we knew it since the 1st season but what did Harbaugh do ? Nothing again, screw the team and Flacco.

We all knew and still know Rice needs the ball 20 times or better a game but in the last 2 seasons what has he done to make that happen ? Nothing, screw the team.

We all knew there would be issues on defense with our so called Corners and what did Harbaugh do ? Nothing, screw the team.

To me Harbaugh is the one who ignores, denies and flat out decides not to tackle the tough issues. A coach needs to be firm and "ALWAYS" do what is best for the team but i many areas he has not and finally SB stepped in where Harbaugh would not and is finally making the changes. Maybe we need a change from Harbaugh.

[berad]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1355851702' post='1269292']
I think it was just the opposite It was Harb's that quit on the team. Let me explain.

Here is what we know:

Everyone knew cam was awful a year or even 2 ago correct ? Harbaugh did not have the testicles to do anything about it. So screw the team.

We all know Michael Oher is not a LT, we knew it since the 1st season but what did Harbaugh do ? Nothing again, screw the team and Flacco.

We all knew and still know Rice needs the ball 20 times or better a game but in the last 2 seasons what has he done to make that happen ? Nothing, screw the team.

We all knew there would be issues on defense with our so called Corners and what did Harbaugh do ? Nothing, screw the team.

To me Harbaugh is the one who ignores, denies and flat out decides not to tackle the tough issues. A coach needs to be firm and "ALWAYS" do what is best for the team but i many areas he has not and finally SB stepped in where Harbaugh would not and is finally making the changes. Maybe we need a change from Harbaugh.
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How's it going on that Michael Oher 'not fast enough' soundbyte?