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I find it hard to believe people really want Flacco gone. You really want to turn into a team like the Chiefs who have nobody at qb. We would have to lose nearly every game in a season just to possibly get a replacement. I know Flacco isn't the best but I can't think of anybody else we could get.

I'm not going to defend Flacco for his play but the Broncos are a top defense. It's not like were playing against the Jags out there. The playoffs are still in reach and with a better O-line we will see better play. I'd rather go to the playoffs after a rough season then go 0-16 just to wait 4 years and hope the rookie QB we pick develops.
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We're kind of resigned to that we'repretty much stuck with him.I;d have more optimism if he weren't regressing so.
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I'm pissed about that INT, but Kurt Warner did the same thing in a Super Bowl. He's disappointed me, but I need to see him in a different system with a different coach before I cast him into the fires of Mount Doom.
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We have so many holes right now. Our Defence is in shambles, our Coordinators couldn't coordinate a microwavable thanksgiving dinner, Flacco is average at best (we beetter NOT pay this guy elite money, we need all the cap space we can afford let him test the market, he'll come back with his tail between his leg begging for even our smallest pittance), our O line couldn't stop a nosebleed never mind one of the top 3 pash rushing tandems in the NFL.

So due to this little debacle ^, I'd like to again thank Billy Cundiff and Lee Evans for throwing away our last chance at that window which had been open for so many years due to great defensive play, but we just could never get an offence worth shaking a stick at. There aren't any FA's worth signing so forget that. We just need to pay flacco a modest amount of money (9-10 mill/year) and cut some of the fat off of our roster, and surround him with offensive linemen who can block. Also an OC chance HAS to happen our offensive playbook and the calling is BOGUS! A new OC and a better O line would do wonders for this team. Our Defence wouldn't look nearly so bad if they didn't have to play 85% of the snaps. even with their ridiculously high amount of playing time, and injuries at all positions to key players, they played their TAILS off today and looked good, if not great at times!

But we can't compromise our entire draft for years to come and get Geno Smith or whoever the hot shot is this year. We're going to need some strong drafts in the next couple years to prevent a downward spiral.
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We can pursue the option of a better QB through the draft. Look at Russell Wilson and the recent qbs from the 2nd round that have done well, we can at least try and look at options. I hate how people say, "there's nobody better than him available we must commit to Flacco then because he is better than Boller!" By that logic, who do we want to replace Cary Williams, Oher, or Birk? There's nobody available, so we must give up apparently.
Those same people considered going after Peyton Manning ridiculous too, which turned out to be a great move for Denver.
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i hate Flacco but i think we may be stuck with him. I haven't seen enough of Tyrod to see if he's ready to play with the big boys. you can always look into the draft (Matt Barkley, EJ Manuel) but that could end up being a bad move. not sure.
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And therein lies the dilemma. Flacco is decidedly average, but we're stuck.

[quote name='shootyoup' timestamp='1355693870' post='1264888']
We can pursue the option of a better QB through the draft. Look at Russell Wilson and the recent qbs from the 2nd round that have done well, we can at least try and look at options. I hate how people say, "there's nobody better than him available we must commit to Flacco then because he is better than Boller!" By that logic, who do we want to replace Cary Williams, Oher, or Birk? There's nobody available, so we must give up apparently.
Those same people considered going after Peyton Manning ridiculous too, which turned out to be a great move for Denver.
[/quote]The only reason Russell Wilson dropped is his height. Otherwise he was considered a first round talent. There are no prospects like him available.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1355693742' post='1264873']
I'm pissed about that INT, but Kurt Warner did the same thing in a Super Bowl. He's disappointed me, but I need to see him in a different system with a different coach before I cast him into the fires of Mount Doom.
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The Flacco pick was mostly on him ,but where is Harbs and why isnt he calling a timeout .The offense looked unorganized right before the pick and I was screaming at the tv for a timeout!
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Dude Tyrod Taylor. He's gonna take us to the promise land. Troy Smith 2.0 is gonna win us our next super bowl. /sarcasm.
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The names that come to mind are Matt Flynn or Alex Smith could be available. Henne plays as well as Flacco and would be much less money.
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[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1355694294' post='1264925']
The Flacco pick was mostly on him ,but where is Harbs and why isnt he calling a timeout .The offense looked unorganized right before the pick and I was screaming at the tv for a timeout!
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Reminds me of the New England game and the field goal last year.
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well, now that I think about it, Aaron Rodgers was 2nd string for a while. I just haven't seen Tyrod enough yet to make a fair judgement on the kid.
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[quote name='Latch' timestamp='1355694533' post='1264952']
well, now that I think about it, Aaron Rodgers was 2nd string for a while. I just haven't seen Tyrod enough yet to make a fair judgement on the kid.
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Rodgers and Tyrod aren't even comparable.
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[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1355694294' post='1264925']
The Flacco pick was mostly on him ,but where is Harbs and why isnt he calling a timeout .The offense looked unorganized right before the pick and I was screaming at the tv for a timeout!
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He probably wanted to save those time outs to challenge some more obvious things.
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[quote name='frank21054' timestamp='1355694445' post='1264943']
Reminds me of the New England game and the field goal last year.
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You are right on the money here!!!! There was no need to rush that play today we had all of our timeouts ! Crazy!
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1355694163' post='1264914']
And therein lies the dilemma. Flacco is decidedly average, but we're stuck.

The only reason Russell Wilson dropped is his height. Otherwise he was considered a first round talent. There are no prospects like him available.
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Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernic are both 2nd round guys in the past two years with some high upside. I know that they might end up being busts, but I'm saying we have to take a serious look at a quarterback high in the draft. We passed on these guys because I'm sure QB wasn't even in Ozzie's mind in the 1st round.

There very well might be a good quarterback in this year's draft, few people were really hyping Wilson like RGIII or Luck, and we should take a chance. It's dumb to just say, well we have player X right now and he's ok and the free agents are not too much better, so let's just completely ignore this area of our team. I think it's just dumb to say well there's no easy upgrades availilbe so let's just do nothing since our previous quarterbacks sucked and Flacco is the best out of a mediocre group.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1355694625' post='1264971']
He probably wanted to save those time outs to challenge some more obvious things.
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hahahaha
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[quote name='Latch' timestamp='1355694533' post='1264952']
well, now that I think about it, Aaron Rodgers was 2nd string for a while. I just haven't seen Tyrod enough yet to make a fair judgement on the kid.
[/quote]There's a reason Rodgers went in the first round and Taylor went in the 6th. Taylor wasn't even accurate in college.
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ok, ok, so maybe Tyrod is definitely not our savior here. nevertheless, joe's seat is on fire right now. hopefully next week he can put that fire out, because i really want him to prove himself as elite, i really do.
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[quote name='frank21054' timestamp='1355694445' post='1264943']
Reminds me of the New England game and the field goal last year.
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I don't think that's fair to blame Harbaugh on that pick. We weren't even rushing due to time, we snapped the ball with about 25 seconds left and that play should have either been a touchdown or an incomplete pass, time was never really an issue. I think with the big play to get us down there they wanted to keep the rhythm going, but Flacco made a bad read, simple as that. The Cundiff kick is not really comparable.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1355692954' post='1264763']
I find it hard to believe people really want Flacco gone. You really want to turn into a team like the Chiefs who have nobody at qb. We would have to lose nearly every game in a season just to possibly get a replacement. I know Flacco isn't the best but I can't think of anybody else we could get.

I'm not going to defend Flacco for his play but the Broncos are a top defense. It's not like were playing against the Jags out there. The playoffs are still in reach and with a better O-line we will see better play. I'd rather go to the playoffs after a rough season then go 0-16 just to wait 4 years and hope the rookie QB we pick develops.
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Why is that so hard to grasp ? The guy "has a great arm" overthrows the ball most of the time and sacrifices receivers in the process. His pocket presence as seen today is null and void. He is prone to fumbles and throws interceptions at the very worst times. We can get that type of play from most NFL Quarterbacks correct. He is no more then an average at best QB most of the time.

I am starting to seriously think he and Rivers are related. And to let all the flack fall on cams shoulders was a [b][color=#ff0000]punk[/color][/b] move. I know cam was bad and needed to go but a lot of the issues was Flacco and i am glad it finally is being noticed.
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[quote name='Latch' timestamp='1355694900' post='1265007']
ok, ok, so maybe Tyrod is definitely not our savior here. nevertheless, joe's seat is on fire right now. hopefully next week he can put that fire out, because i really want him to prove himself as elite, i really do.
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A Qb will never be elite with the oline we have .Im sorry but we need top. oline picks bad .Look at Denver's oline!
It is 1,000 times better then ours and Yanda was out,making our oline a heap of trash.
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if he was supposed to become elite this week because of cam leaving or something, you had another thing coming. this is still cams offense so you shouldn't have expected much more than what has happened this whole year. the only difference is jim had better playcalling. its not like joe just got another system or something. jim would need several weeks without a game to incorporate what he would like to in this offense and the only time he can is during the offseason so why make impulsive judgements from this 1 game when the scheme won't change much from here on.
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[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1355695221' post='1265040']
A Qb will never be elite with the oline we have .Im sorry but we need top. oline picks bad .Look at Denver's oline!
It is 1,000 times better then ours and Yanda was out,making our oline a heap of trash.
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Our Oline is worse then Rodgers or Cutlers lines ? It is like no matter what happens it is everyones fault but Joe's. What about Luck's Oline ours is worse then his and he is a rookie. Oh wait, Joe gets beat by rookies as well.
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[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1355695221' post='1265040']

A Qb will never be elite with the oline we have .Im sorry but we need top. oline picks bad .Look at Denver's oline!
It is 1,000 times better then ours and Yanda was out,making our oline a heap of trash.
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exactly my point. we need to look into some rookies or FAs this year. I hear 'Bama is cutting loose some of their O-line this year. Ozzie's always been a 'Bama guy.
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[quote name='Bravens292' timestamp='1355695315' post='1265047']
if he was supposed to become elite this week because of cam leaving or something, you had another thing coming. this is still cams offense so you shouldn't have expected much more than what has happened this whole year. the only difference is jim had better playcalling. its not like joe just got another system or something. jim would need several weeks without a game to incorporate what he would like to in this offense and the only time he can is during the offseason so why make impulsive judgements from this 1 game when the scheme won't change much from here on.
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This one game ? This has been His play all season friend. Wait, the defense and special teams did not score our only points in games and wait, Tucker did not win games for us when we had no touchdows. T=yeah, just this one game. Way to be narrow minded.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1355695382' post='1265052']
Our Oline is worse then Rodgers or Cutlers lines ? It is like no matter what happens it is everyones fault but Joe's. What about Luck's Oline ours is worse then his and he is a rookie. Oh wait, Joe gets beat by rookies as well.
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im not defending Joe here who was horendous but yes this oline without Yanda babysitting Osemele is worse then
those olines.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1355695382' post='1265052']
Our Oline is worse then Rodgers or Cutlers lines ? It is like no matter what happens it is everyones fault but Joe's. What about Luck's Oline ours is worse then his and he is a rookie. Oh wait, Joe gets beat by rookies as well.
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Cutler is no better than Flacco.

And guys like Rodgers, Roethliseberger, and Romo are extremely mobile QBs with the ability to extend plays. For whatever reason, Flacco moved away from that aspect of his game after his rookie year.

And as far as Luck, well, he could conceivably be even better than Peyton Manning in the long run.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1355692954' post='1264763']
I find it hard to believe people really want Flacco gone. You really want to turn into a team like the Chiefs who have nobody at qb. We would have to lose nearly every game in a season just to possibly get a replacement. I know Flacco isn't the best but I can't think of anybody else we could get.

I'm not going to defend Flacco for his play but the Broncos are a top defense. It's not like were playing against the Jags out there. The playoffs are still in reach and with a better O-line we will see better play. [b]I'd rather go to the playoffs after a rough season then go 0-16 just to wait 4 years and hope the rookie QB we pick develops[/b].
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What would happen if you pay Flacco a fat contract and all our FA leaves. He'll get better with less right?

You do what any NFL league do when you have a dud QB. You draft a new one. Plus its alot cheaper to draft one than before. I don't mind having flacco test the market. His not worth anyone outside b-more anyway.
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[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1355693616' post='1264854']
Tyrod taylor of coarse!!!, apparently a lot of people think he is our answer to a superbowl title. :lol3:
[/quote]Why even bring up Tyrod? This is the most irritating about our fan base. But you do it assuming that he can't play as well as Flacco. If this offense was tailored to him I'd bet he would be a better QB then Joe.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1355695509' post='1265060']
This one game ? This has been His play all season friend. Wait, the defense and special teams did not score our only points in games and wait, Tucker did not win games for us when we had no touchdows. T=yeah, just this one game. Way to be narrow minded.
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i was talking about the people who think he was supposed to change because of cam leaving like they have to judge joe on the last 3 games or something. the last 3 games should be taken like this year as a whole not just how he plays under caldwell because nothing is different. thats all i meant. i'm not defending joe or saying he hasn't had a bad year but people shouldn't be treating the last 3 any different than past weeks. i know i'm repeating the same thing with different words here but some people don't get it.
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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1355695881' post='1265098']
Why even bring up Tyrod? This is the most irritating about our fan base. But you do it assuming that he can't play as well as Flacco. If this offense was tailored to him I'd bet he would be a better QB then Joe.
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I posted this because the first post I saw when i got on the forums today was all about bringing on tyrod taylor to start instead of Flacco, which is the most elementary thing to do. And I would 10000times rather have Tim Tebow as a starter than Tyrod.
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[quote name='frank21054' timestamp='1355694404' post='1264937']
The names that come to mind are Matt Flynn or Alex Smith could be available. Henne plays as well as Flacco and would be much less money.
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Flynn and Smith would be more or less lateral transfers.Henne,IMO would be a downgrade. In the foreseeable future,barring injury,we're more or less stuck with Flacco.And it'll cost at least 14 mil per yr. for that privilege.
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[quote name='Raving_Heathen' timestamp='1355695676' post='1265077']
Cutler is no better than Flacco.
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I actually think Cutler is better than Flacco as far as talent and football IQ goes, but Cutler let's his emotions shake up his game.
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also, for the record, i would sooner swing a terrible towel than i would wear a mark "how do i football" sanchez ravens jersey.

Flacco isn't that great, but he's no Sanchez. Sorry.
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Try to grab Alex Smith in the off season. Let Joe ply his wares elsewhere. If we need interceptions thrown, dropped balls and poor pocket presence we can get Boller back. <--- just kidding there but he needs to grow up and mature and stop going backwards.
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[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1355694374' post='1264935']
Dude Tyrod Taylor. He's gonna take us to the promise land. Troy Smith 2.0 is gonna win us our next super bowl. /sarcasm.
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Keep ragging on him but if he gets a chance to prove himself elsewhere and he shows he was actually better than flacco then what yall going to say
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[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1355696173' post='1265135']
I posted this because the first post I saw when i got on the forums today was all about bringing on tyrod taylor to start instead of Flacco, which is the most elementary thing to do. And I would 10000times rather have Tim Tebow as a starter than Tyrod.
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Man why u hating on someone who has ever gotten a chance yet.......Baltimore needs to take a page from Denver if anything....they wasnt going to even be a playoff until tim tebow played.....well let tyrod spark something with some different things that flacco cant do.....cause he is definitely not mobile enough
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[quote name='HazDaGeneral' timestamp='1355696483' post='1265163']
Keep ragging on him but if he gets a chance to prove himself elsewhere and he shows he was actually better than flacco then what yall going to say
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Everyone is all high on the Tyrod bandwagon because he can throw the ball against 3rd stringers in the pre-season. Sorry, but Troy Smith could do the same thing. Where's he at right now?
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Let's be honest, do we really think Tyrod Taylor will take us places? He's a good backup for a QB who never misses a snap and he is a better runner than Flacco but I'd take the better arm over the better legs any day.
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[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1355693762' post='1264877']
We have so many holes right now. Our Defence is in shambles, our Coordinators couldn't coordinate a microwavable thanksgiving dinner, Flacco is average at best (we beetter NOT pay this guy elite money, we need all the cap space we can afford let him test the market, he'll come back with his tail between his leg begging for even our smallest pittance), our O line couldn't stop a nosebleed never mind one of the top 3 pash rushing tandems in the NFL.

So due to this little debacle ^, I'd like to again thank Billy Cundiff and Lee Evans for throwing away our last chance at that window which had been open for so many years due to great defensive play, but we just could never get an offence worth shaking a stick at. There aren't any FA's worth signing so forget that. We just need to pay flacco a modest amount of money (9-10 mill/year) and cut some of the fat off of our roster, and surround him with offensive linemen who can block. Also an OC chance HAS to happen our offensive playbook and the calling is BOGUS! A new OC and a better O line would do wonders for this team. Our Defence wouldn't look nearly so bad if they didn't have to play 85% of the snaps. even with their ridiculously high amount of playing time, and injuries at all positions to key players, they played their TAILS off today and looked good, if not great at times!

But we can't compromise our entire draft for years to come and get Geno Smith or whoever the hot shot is this year. We're going to need some strong drafts in the next couple years to prevent a downward spiral.
[/quote]Well said,would like to add a true #1 Wr would be great also.Josh Freemen looked horrific last year,then he got
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[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1355693762' post='1264877']
We have so many holes right now. Our Defence is in shambles, our Coordinators couldn't coordinate a microwavable thanksgiving dinner, Flacco is average at best (we beetter NOT pay this guy elite money, we need all the cap space we can afford let him test the market, he'll come back with his tail between his leg begging for even our smallest pittance), our O line couldn't stop a nosebleed never mind one of the top 3 pash rushing tandems in the NFL.

So due to this little debacle ^, I'd like to again thank Billy Cundiff and Lee Evans for throwing away our last chance at that window which had been open for so many years due to great defensive play, but we just could never get an offence worth shaking a stick at. There aren't any FA's worth signing so forget that. We just need to pay flacco a modest amount of money (9-10 mill/year) and cut some of the fat off of our roster, and surround him with offensive linemen who can block. Also an OC chance HAS to happen our offensive playbook and the calling is BOGUS! A new OC and a better O line would do wonders for this team. Our Defence wouldn't look nearly so bad if they didn't have to play 85% of the snaps. even with their ridiculously high amount of playing time, and injuries at all positions to key players, they played their TAILS off today and looked good, if not great at times!

But we can't compromise our entire draft for years to come and get Geno Smith or whoever the hot shot is this year. We're going to need some strong drafts in the next couple years to prevent a downward spiral.
[/quote]We need a true #1 WR also,Look at Josh Freemen.HE was terrible last year,Tampa Bay relised he needed help at reciever,so they bring in Vicent Jackson,and now he looks like a top 5 QB!!! I believe we should cut ties with Bolden and find joe that true #1 WR!! Along with a new OC,and some real offensive linemen!!
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[quote name='Stephenjr' timestamp='1355699827' post='1265429']
We need a true #1 WR also,Look at Josh Freemen.HE was terrible last year,Tampa Bay relised he needed help at reciever,so they bring in Vicent Jackson,and now he looks like a top 5 QB!!! I believe we should cut ties with Bolden and find joe that true #1 WR!! Along with a new OC,and some real offensive linemen!!
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I think Q is clutch, but he definitely is no versatile #1. Commentator said it himself, Q isn't a vertical kind of guy. Can't imagine us using our #1 draft pick on a WR, though. Maybe in Free Agency.
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So we gonna forget joes in the playoffs last yr? Why can't the man have one bad season? He was the man in last yrs playoffs!!!
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No one. Joe Montana isn't going to fall out of the sky. You want to draft a rookie to replace the playoff veteran Flacco? You think you could even attempt to do so with such a high draft pick?!
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