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Have you lost confidence in Flacco?

Have you lost confidence in Flacco?   271 members have voted

  1. 1. Has your confidence in Flacco fallen and can't get up?

    • Yes, he has to go.
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    • Not quite, but I'm getting there.
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    • No, he's the franchise QB of the future.
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Flacco has his limitations but he's mostly solid. Yes his arm has been off lately, yes the pick six was a horrible read, yes he fumbles too much. However, he's done nothing but win in his career, and it's not time to panic yet. The "elite" conversation is probably over though.
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I'm still holding out hope that with a different offensive system and an off-season with a new coordinator, he can be saved. When he stares down receivers like today though he makes it hard to have faith in him, so I'm getting close to that point, but he needs another year and another chance.
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Joe needs a perfect pocket, around 10 seconds to hold the ball and must never EVER feel pressure to succeed. Other then that Joe is a mediocre QB.
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it is sad that this question is still being asked and polled after Flacco's 5th year in the league as a starting QB. it's a damn shame! smh!

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[quote name='BALTIMOREFLACCO' timestamp='1355692818' post='1264742']
Flacco has his limitations but he's mostly solid. Yes his arm has been off lately, yes the pick six was a horrible read, yes he fumbles too much. However, he's done nothing but win in his career, and it's not time to panic yet. The "elite" conversation is probably over though.
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Brees wasn't considered to be elite until recently.... About four years ago......... Give Joe time.
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Just don't know about Flacco. Seems like he has regresses this season and it be too many 3 and outs combined with crucial turnovers at key times that could possibly change the whole momentum of the game. QB sneak for the 1 yard game and then a fumble. How do you fumble the QB sneak after taking a couple of steps? I understand a bobbled snap or something but that wasn't the case. Changed the whole outlook of the game right there and the D still stopped Manning two more times.
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NO.

There is so much wrong with this team that you can't put it all on Joe. The OL can't block, and the offensive system is completely stacked against him. I want to see him play in a system that puts it's players in position to succeed.

He is not elite. But he isn't bad. He is a generally good, and occasionally great QB.
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Yes! Flacco has cost us three games in a row with his costly turnovers. He should be playing his best ball coming down the stretch and he is not. Flacco has also lost the confidence of his teammates. All except Pitta no doubt.

Why wont our coach play Tyrod even in a blowout.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1355692793' post='1264738']
No...... I kinda expected this.... He needs to improve the overthrow problem...
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LMAO has been an issue all season but now his passes are a problem. Can safely now call him Phillip Rivers Jr. Mr. Give away. Give away the ball, give away field position and give away points but yeah his only issue is the overthrows.
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[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1355693027' post='1264770']
NO.

There is so much wrong with this team that you can't put it all on Joe. The OL can't block, and the offensive system is completely stacked against him. I want to see him play in a system that puts it's players in position to succeed.

He is not elite. But he isn't bad. He is a generally good, and occasionally great QB.
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What exactly can you not put on Joe ? The fumbles, the interceptions or just aiding the other team by holding the ball forever ? What exactly is not Joes fault.
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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1355693031' post='1264771']
Yes! Flacco has cost us three games in a row with his costly turnovers. He should be playing his best ball coming down the stretch and he is not. Flacco has also lost the confidence of his teammates. All except Pitta no doubt.

Why wont our coach play Tyrod even in a blowout.
[/quote]I wouldn't blame the last two on Flacco, but this game? Absolutely. That pick 6 essentially ended the game.

I get the feeling the locker room isn't behind him.
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Yes.

Is the presser he says "We just have to stau tough and come out here and win games, thats all we have to do"

If thats all you have to do you did a ^#$%ty job of it.

Rebuild started with Cam, it can't stop there...
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1355693287' post='1264808']
What exactly can you not put on Joe ? The fumbles, the interceptions or just aiding the other team by holding the ball forever ? What exactly is not Joes fault.
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Some of the fumbles are Joe's fault. The QB sneak fumble today? Inexcusable. Strip sacks? Somewhat excusable. Ties into the OL being putrid.

INTs? It depends. He has some bad ones. The one today was pretty bad. I question why they were in such a rush in that situation though.

Holding the ball forever? Where is he supposed to throw it? The system sucks. WRs don't get open quickly.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1355693289' post='1264809']
I wouldn't blame the last two on Flacco, but this game? Absolutely. That pick 6 essentially ended the game.

I get the feeling the locker room isn't behind him.
[/quote]The pick in the endzone in the redskins game. Clearly his fault. The long ball in the Pitt game also his fault. He makes dumb decisions with the football. He is in his fifth season. I hate to see all these rookies playing like seasoned vets. Flacco has regressed.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1355692793' post='1264738']
No...... I kinda expected this.... He needs to improve the overthrow problem...
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I think he needs to drop his front shoulder a bit when he throws. Players sometimes do that and it makes the ball go high.
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[quote name='Larryterri' timestamp='1355693470' post='1264830']
Yes.

Is the presser he says "We just have to stau tough and come out here and win games, thats all we have to do"

If thats all you have to do you did a ^#$%ty job of it.

Rebuild started with Cam, it can't stop there...
[/quote]I've said this before and I'll say it again: I've never heard him once say "I played like $@#!" Never. Not once. He always deflects, referring to "we" instead of "I."

I think he truly believes he's an elite QB and that he has nothing (or little) to improve. It's aggravating.
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I won't make that judgement until he gets a coordinator with some actual experience next season. I do know that he's not worth that contract that he was looking for before the season and should not be paid as such.
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yes...he can always change my mind, but today right now i think that a new OC can't fix him. a damn shame. i had high hopes for him.
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I voted not yet, if only because our OL is horrible and we have no true #1 WR. I hate to continue to make concessions for him but people did the same for Matt Ryan. Let me be clear, the MAJORITY of problems rest with Flacco and his inability to read coverages, his apparent unwillingness to scramble and extend plays with his feet even though he was straight Usain Bolt chasing Chris Harris, and his inability to throw accurate passes in tight windows, an essential ability for starting QBs.

That being said, let's get a half-decent OL, a real corps of WR and see what happens.
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[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1355693475' post='1264831']
Some of the fumbles are Joe's fault. The QB sneak fumble today? Inexcusable. Strip sacks? Somewhat excusable. Ties into the OL being putrid.

INTs? It depends. He has some bad ones. The one today was pretty bad. I question why they were in such a rush in that situation though.

Holding the ball forever? Where is he supposed to throw it? The system sucks. WRs don't get open quickly.
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but i thought it was cam's fault that Joe overthrows, fumbles, and get interception!
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Does any team in the NFL throw more out of formations with just one fast player - Smith - out of 5?

This causes defenses to come after him so he rarely gets to set his feet.

Isn't it true that Flacco is weakest on short sideline throws?

Unless Pitta, Boldin, and Leach get consistently spelled by 3rd and 4th receivers, Flacco is best playing for another team, one that is interested in bigger plays and faster tempo.
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I never really had confidence in him to begin with? He's been inconsistent his entire career. He has made no progression, and when our D falters he's exposed for the "serviceable" but not good QB he is. Fellas, I'm sick and tired of watching Joe stare down his primary receiver on a 25 yard wheel route - he's so predictable it's ridiculous. Great arm, decent wheels, no thought process...just your average Joe. I'm a little concerned that Ozzie did not recognize this over 5 freaken years...there have been many better-than-average QB's that have come out of the draft since Joe, and no movement by the organization...what gives? If we pay him big, or even franchise him, I'm done with this organization. Call me a "fair weather fan" I don't give a crap. Have you ever heard the saying, "doing the same things over and over again is the definition of insanity" well, here we are. Am I to support an organization through the stupidity? Through the obstinance? I won't, sorry. How many times did Joe check out of a Rice run at the line of scrimmage so he could throw? Was it really Cam? Mechanics, touch, cadence, tendencies, everything Joe is is so very predictable. Overthrow, overthrow, overthrow, punt...two games in a row...are you kidding me?!?!?! Common guys, lets call a spade a spade, he is what he is, no more, lets move on for god sake!
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Look Flacco will never, ever be Aaron Rodgers. No one will argue that. Rodgers is already onto his 5th progression by the time Flacco realizes his first option isn't open. So people who are comparing him to guys like Rodgers, Brady, or Peyton will always see Flacco as a failure.

But I think Flacco is more than good enough to lead this team to multiple SB because the Ravens FO is one of the best in the league and will always give him that opportunity. So dumping him at this point for an unknown quantity who more than likely will be worse than Flacco isn't a good move IMHO.
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He is what he is. A mediocre QB. You try to make him elite and start passing, it fails miserably.

He overthrows...eyes on one WR...holds onto the ball too long...has zero pocket awareness....overthrows/under-throws more than any starting QB out there and some Flacco homers wants him signed w/ a fat paycheck? NO thanks.

Make him test the market, and let the league dictate his worth. If he wants to come back and fight vs. a new high draft pick QB? that's fine.

But i don't expect anything new from here on out. He has been a mediocre and been serviceable with our elite defense in the past 5 years.

But now times are changing and he showed he absolutely cannot put the team on his back. We dont have a elite defense to cover his flaws anymore.

Can't pay him franchise money. Can't risk losing every FA of ours just for him. Its time to step up or shut up.
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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]He is what he is. A mediocre QB. You try to make him elite and start passing, it fails miserably. [/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]He overthrows...eyes on one WR...holds onto the ball too long...has zero pocket awareness....and some Flacco homers wants him signed w/ a fat paycheck? NO thanks. [/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Make him test the market, and let the league dictate his worth. If he wants to come back and fight vs. a new high draft pick QB? that's fine. [/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]But i don't expect anything new from here on out. He has been a mediocre and been serviceable with our elite defense in the past 5 years. [/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]But now times are changing and he showed he absolutely cannot put the team on his back. We dont have a elite defense to cover his flaws anymore. [/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Can't pay him franchise money. Can't risk losing every FA of ours just for him. Its time to step up or shut up.[/font][/color]
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