I Want Tyrod Taylor!

[mhead66]

Mili - Posters on this forum spent [b]years[/b] begging the FO to start Troy Smith over Flacco.... saying, "I [b]KNOW[/b] he's the better QB, he's just never gotten his chance." So many people insisted that Smith had starter talent... if only he got the chance to start.

Well, Smith GOT his chance... with the Niners... and he never made it. He couldn't make it with the Omaha Nighthawks (UFL) and the Steelers cut him before training camp this year. He never had a season above 60% completion percentage... he wasn't accurate enough.

My point is, the FO and the coaching staff see these players, [b]every week [/b]in practice. [b]IF[/b] TT was sufficiently talented that he was starter capable, he would start, when Flacco flounders... but, in the (limited) times I've seen Taylor, I haven't yet seen much accuracy in his passing - he is very mobile, but I'm not sure he's accurate enough to be an NFL starter.

It's similar to Dennis Dixon - he [b]said[/b] he was talented enough to be a starter, yet never showed the accuracy in his limited attempts in Pittsburgh, and has yet to impress anyone enough to earn a starter's job. He'll likely be a career journeyman, if he's lucky.

IMO, [b]accuracy[/b] separates the good from the bad, the starter from the backup.... TT may improve, and display accuracy in the future... but (for now) I don't think he's earned a starter job.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1355703173' post='1265669']
Mili - Posters on this forum spent [b]years[/b] begging the FO to start Troy Smith over Flacco.... saying, "I [b]KNOW[/b] he's the better QB, he's just never gotten his chance." So many people insisted that Smith had starter talent... if only he got the chance to start.

Well, Smith GOT his chance... with the Niners... and he never made it. He couldn't make it with the Omaha Nighthawks (UFL) and the Steelers cut him before training camp this year. He never had a season above 60% completion percentage... he wasn't accurate enough.

My point is, the FO and the coaching staff see these players, [b]every week [/b]in practice. [b]IF[/b] [u][i][b]TT was sufficiently talented that he was starter capable, he would start, when Flacco flounders... but, in the (limited) times I've seen Taylor, I haven't yet seen much accuracy in his passing - he is very mobile, but I'm not sure he's accurate enough to be an NFL starter.[/b][/i][/u]

It's similar to Dennis Dixon - he [b]said[/b] he was talented enough to be a starter, yet never showed the accuracy in his limited attempts in Pittsburgh, and has yet to impress anyone enough to earn a starter's job. He'll likely be a career journeyman, if he's lucky.

IMO, [b]accuracy[/b] separates the good from the bad, the starter from the backup.... [u][i][b]TT may improve, and display accuracy in the future... but (for now) I don't think he's earned a starter job.[/b][/i][/u]
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i know that Mhead66. all i'm saying is that with all of that being said...by you and others....if Tyrod is that horrible...even as a backup QB, why not do as i am saying.....release him? imo, i feel strongly that Tyrod could help a horrible Cardinals or Jaguar team in need of a starting QB. and place in a system where he is the focus and he is "their" guy...i believe that he would be successful. he'll never get that as a Raven.

~Mili

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355700730' post='1265510']
really? hell! [u][b]Joe Flacco is a 5th year starter and he's barely reading nfl defenses himself[/b][/u]. c'mon man! lol! and if he can't make nfl throws as you say...why not release him? some of you cats in here run Tyrod down in the ground about his skills and abilities...you hang preseason game play over his head...really? the preseason? wow! you say what he can and can't do at the nfl level and yet, Ozzie drafted him. my viewpoint is simple here; release Tyrod! why keep him here? release the man and let him go to another team. he'll never get that opportunity riding the pine behind Joe Flacco. hey FO! release Tyrod! that's all i'm saying. i don't want him to replace Flacco as the Ravens QB. hell to the no! let Tyrod go since he's not nfl material or ready. smh!

~Mili
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lol Im not debating that, I've been critical of him for that for a looong time. But Taylor won't be better. Fine you're advocating for someone you feel so strong about, it's just misplaced. Taylor has been awful in preseasons and camps.

[Bltravens]

Baltimore needs to actually take a QB in the mid/late rounds they can actually coach up and groom who could do something if needed. Taking all these triple option zone read fools is just useless.

[mhead66]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355704744' post='1265793']
i know that Mhead66. all i'm saying is that with all of that being said...by you and others....if Tyrod is that horrible...even as a backup QB, why not do as i am saying.....release him? imo, i feel strongly that Tyrod could help a horrible Cardinals or Jaguar team in need of a starting QB. and place in a system where he is the focus and he is "their" guy...i believe that he would be successful. he'll never get that as a Raven.

~Mili
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You're right, he'll NEVER get a real chance to start here - we're going to give a long-term contract to Flacco, and that will end TT's future here. IF he's got the talent, his agent should encourage him to sign with another team, to get that opportunity. The problem for Taylor is that he's signed through the next 2 years - he's not a FA until 2015... so, he's GOT to use the next 2 years learning the game, how to read defenses and accurately hit receivers in stride... and, if his talent allows him to rise, then he will get the chance, when his contract expires.

The truth is, the NFL is always searching for talent at QB, so if you're a true talent at the position, someone will see it on film and sign you... everyone wants to upgrade their team's talent pool, so if he can learn and improve, he'll get a shot somewhere!

[blitzking33]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1355700011' post='1265447']
The coaching staff, the draft department, the front office, do this all the time. They watch film of players in college, and judge whether he has the skill sets to compete at the pro level... and they successfully judge at least 75% of the time.

Harbaugh, the OC, and the rest of the offensive coaches see Taylor - in minicamps, training camp, in preseason, and in every weekly practice. Just because WE (as fans) don't see TT perform, [b]don't think the team doesn't make judgments, on TT[/b]... and every other player on the roster.

Look at the NIners - Alex Smith took them to the playoffs last year, while Colin Kaepernick sat on the bench and watched. Smith again started this year, until he suffered a concussion... and Kaepernick got his chance. Now CK has earned the starter spot. The point is, the Niner FO had [b]judged[/b] Smith as the better QB, and now - watching Kaepernick in practice and filling in for Smith, has [b]judged[/b] him to be worthy of starting.

That's why this thread is silly - I understand it's fans venting, out of frustration - and that's cool, it doesn't hurt anyone (I'm betting Flacco doesn't read this forum ) but the FO has seen Taylor enough to judge whether TT could step in and replace Flacco... and do a better job... and, because he continues to ride the pine, it's obvious they've judged he's [b]NOT[/b] better than Flacco.

As you were, angry people...
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People don't have the right to say Tyrod can't start in this league till he gets his chance. Just like your example, I'm pretty sure people in SF said the same thing about Kaepernick when Alex Smith was healthy but look at him now.

Point is, don't judge a player when they haven't gotten their fair shot

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='blitzking33' timestamp='1355705375' post='1265863']
People don't have the right to say Tyrod can't start in this league till he gets his chance. Just like your example, I'm pretty sure people in SF said the same thing about Kaepernick when Alex Smith was healthy but look at him now.

Point is, don't judge a player when they haven't gotten their fair shot
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Kaepernick was the 33rd pick in the draft though. He was drafted to be a started, and is physically superior to alex smith in every way.

[JoeCool#5]

I agree Tyrod should start if the OL is going to let pass rushers go unevaded to the QB. He is the better scrambler and might out run the pass rushers.

But all I know is #5 is 5 for 5 in playoff appearances.

[blitzking33]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1355705464' post='1265877']
Kaepernick was the 33rd pick in the draft though. He was drafted to be a started, and is physically superior to alex smith in every way.
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You can say Tim Tebow was drafted to be a starter for Denver too, beat Pitt in the playoffs and now he's bench warmer to Sanchez. S0o0o00oo.. don't see where you're going.

Tom Brady was drafted 6th round, so I guess he shouldn't have made it neiher huh

[mhead66]

[quote name='blitzking33' timestamp='1355705375' post='1265863']
People don't have the right to say Tyrod can't start in this league till he gets his chance. Just like your example, I'm pretty sure people in SF said the same thing about Kaepernick when Alex Smith was healthy but look at him now.

Point is, don't judge a player when they haven't gotten their fair shot
[/quote]

No, Taylor hasn't gotten a chance to start, agreed. But the coaches see him in OTAs, minicamps, training camp, preseason and every week during the season, and they do judge, and determine whether Taylor has starter talent. Obviously, he's not going to unseat Flacco... but the purpose of this thread is to say that Taylor should be starting INSTEAD of Flacco... and the coaching staff HAS seen TT play, every week since he's been signed... and they have judged that he's not better than Joe Flacco...

Just because fans haven't seen him doesn't mean Taylor has a secret talent pool that if, only if, he got a chance, everyone would see his talent rise, and Flacco would be replaced. He isn't better than Flacco, in the eyes of the coaching staff... so he will sit, unless Joe gets injured. The coaching staff has judged him, as inferior to Flacco...

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='blitzking33' timestamp='1355705696' post='1265904']
You can say Tim Tebow was drafted to be a starter for Denver too, beat Pitt in the playoffs and now he's bench warmer to Sanchez. S0o0o00oo.. don't see where you're going.

Tom Brady was drafted 6th round, so I guess he shouldn't have made it neiher huh
[/quote]
Well the whole tebow thing was ridiculous. Name one other starter outside the first two rounds in the NFL. I'm not saying Tyrod can't start (even though he really can't) but Kaepernick was CLEARLY drafted to start, coached to start, played well enough to start in practice and started well enough to keep his job.

You know exactly where I'm going:
Kaepernick is a lot better than Tyrod
Soo00OooO00 Yeah.

[blitzking33]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1355706186' post='1265963']
Well the whole tebow thing was ridiculous. Name one other starter outside the first two rounds in the NFL. I'm not saying Tyrod can't start (even though he really can't) but Kaepernick was CLEARLY drafted to start, coached to start, played well enough to start in practice and started well enough to keep his job.

You know exactly where I'm going:
Kaepernick is a lot better than Tyrod
Soo00OooO00 Yeah.
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Outside the first two rounds? Didn't I just name one?
You want more?
Tony Romo, Russell Wilson, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Schaub.

That's just this year, and I'd take any of them over Flacco

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='blitzking33' timestamp='1355706500' post='1265987']
Outside the first two rounds? Didn't I just name one?
You want more?
Tony Romo, Russell Wilson, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Schaub.

That's just this year, and I'd take any of them over Flacco
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I wouldn't take Fitzpatrick, but the other 3 I agree with.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355704744' post='1265793']
i know that Mhead66. all i'm saying is that with all of that being said...by you and others....if Tyrod is that horrible...even as a backup QB, why not do as i am saying.....[u][b]release him[/b][/u]? imo, i feel strongly that Tyrod could help a horrible Cardinals or Jaguar team in need of a starting QB. and place in a system where he is the focus and he is "their" guy...i believe that he would be successful. he'll never get that as a Raven.

~Mili
[/quote]

We haven't released him for the obvious reason; we need a back up QB who knows the system.

[blitzking33]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1355705851' post='1265928']
No, Taylor hasn't gotten a chance to start, agreed. But the coaches see him in OTAs, minicamps, training camp, preseason and every week during the season, and they do judge, and determine whether Taylor has starter talent. Obviously, he's not going to unseat Flacco... but the purpose of this thread is to say that Taylor should be starting INSTEAD of Flacco... and the coaching staff HAS seen TT play, every week since he's been signed... and they have judged that he's not better than Joe Flacco...

Just because fans haven't seen him doesn't mean Taylor has a secret talent pool that if, only if, he got a chance, everyone would see his talent rise, and Flacco would be replaced. He isn't better than Flacco, in the eyes of the coaching staff... so he will sit, unless Joe gets injured. The coaching staff has judged him, as inferior to Flacco...
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ok, I agree.. but i never asked for Tyrod to unseat Joe (at least not on this thread).. I just simply said people who say TT [b]can't[/b] be a starting QB in the NFL is wrong because he never had a chance. If anything, say he won't unseat Joe because the FO an Harbaugh won't allow it, but don't say he can't because of this and that because you're wrong until he gets a chance and blows it.

[bmore187]

Other QBs i would rather have than Flacco

Rodgers, Brady, P.Manning, Brees, Big Ben, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, RG3, Matt Schaub, Mathew Stafford, Tony Romo, Alex Smith, Colin Kapernick, Andy Dalton, Matt Ryan, E. Manning

Only Qbs I would not rather have

Weeden, P.Rivers, Any ARZ QB, C.Palmer, Matt Cassell, Brady Quinn, Tannehill, Henne, Gabbert, Foles, Bradford, Ponder, Freeman, Cutler

[mhead66]

[quote name='blitzking33' timestamp='1355707081' post='1266036']
ok, I agree.. but i never asked for Tyrod to unseat Joe (at least not on this thread).. I just simply said people who say TT [b]can't[/b] be a starting QB in the NFL is wrong because he never had a chance. If anything, say he won't unseat Joe because the FO an Harbaugh won't allow it, but don't say he can't because of this and that because you're wrong until he gets a chance and blows it.
[/quote]
Well, like I told Mili, TT has 2 more years on his contract. He should use that time to learn, to improve his defense-reading and his accuracy. If he [b]can[/b] improve, his agent could get him a shot at starting with another team - it's unlikely to be here, 'cause - like you said - I [b]think [/b]Harbaugh is going to sign Flacco to a multi-year deal, and - if they spend $50 Million + on a QB - they'll [b]never[/b] let a backup start over him.

So, ya - if TT can improve his game, he may get a shot at starting with another team, when the time comes... it does happen, at times - not frequently, cause most teams draft QBs young, then teach them their system - but it does happen.

[Ravenfanatic22]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1355706755' post='1266008']
We haven't released him for the obvious reason; we need a back up QB who knows the system.
[/quote]

we dont need a backup WE need a start!!!

[Ravenfanatic22]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1355707284' post='1266053']
Other QBs i would rather have than Flacco

Rodgers, Brady, P.Manning, Brees, Big Ben, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, RG3, Matt Schaub, Mathew Stafford, Tony Romo, Alex Smith, Colin Kapernick, Andy Dalton, Matt Ryan, E. Manning

Only Qbs I would not rather have

Weeden, P.Rivers, Any ARZ QB, C.Palmer, Matt Cassell, Brady Quinn, Tannehill, Henne, Gabbert, Foles, Bradford, Ponder, Freeman, Cutler
[/quote]

we need to look at matt flynn in the offseason, someone needs to come in here and compete and possibly start.. im tired of flacco, in his 5th year and just doesnt have the "IT" factor

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ravenfanatic22' timestamp='1355707770' post='1266088']
we dont need a backup WE need a start!!!
[/quote]

We have one.

[bmore187]

[quote name='Ravenfanatic22' timestamp='1355707882' post='1266096']
we [b]need to look at matt flynn[/b] in the offseason, someone needs to come in here and compete and possibly start.. im tired of flacco, in his 5th year and just doesnt have the "IT" factor
[/quote]

Im not sold on Matt Flynn

[poedacrow]

[b] "I Want Tyrod Taylor!"[/b]


meh...why not. It couldn't hurt.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1355704751' post='1265794']
lol Im not debating that, I've been critical of him for that for a looong time. But Taylor won't be better. Fine you're advocating for someone you feel so strong about, [b]it's just misplaced. Taylor has been awful in preseasons and camps.[/b]
[/quote]
misplaced? lol! preseasons and camps? so that means what? that in a actual FULL game as a starter (somewhere else) he couldn't get it done? i don't by that man!

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1355705371' post='1265862']
You're right, he'll NEVER get a real chance to start here - we're going to give a long-term contract to Flacco, and that will end TT's future here. IF he's got the talent, his agent should encourage him to sign with another team, to get that opportunity. The problem for Taylor is that he's signed through the next 2 years - he's not a FA until 2015... so, [u][b]he's GOT to use the next 2 years learning the game, how to read defenses and accurately hit receivers in stride[/b][/u]... and, if his talent allows him to rise, then he will get the chance, when his contract expires.

The truth is, the NFL is always searching for talent at QB, so if you're a true talent at the position, someone will see it on film and sign you... everyone wants to upgrade their team's talent pool, so if he can learn and improve, he'll get a shot somewhere!
[/quote]

and...after 5 years as the starting QB for the Ravens....Flacco still has to learn how to read defenses accurately (i.e. that INT vs the broncos) and to hit receivers in stride. c'mon Mhead66. lol! imo, Tyrod needs to be on another team (i.e. a struggling Jaguars or Cardinals etc.) so that he can get the "opportunity" to shine.

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1355706186' post='1265963']
Well the whole tebow thing was ridiculous. Name one other starter outside the first two rounds in the NFL. I'm not saying Tyrod can't start (even though he really can't) but Kaepernick [b]was CLEARLY drafted to start[/b], coached to start, played well enough to start in practice and started well enough to keep his job.

You know exactly where I'm going:
Kaepernick is a lot better than Tyrod
Soo00OooO00 Yeah.
[/quote]
great point! but to me i am not advocating whether or not Tyrod is "better" than Joe Flacco. i say...release Tyrod and set him free. cause IF he is as horrible as you cats in here keep mentioning (which to me he isn't), why not release him? i don't understand what the argument about that could possibly be. let the man go so that his QB abilities can be further developed and cultivated as "the guy" by another team that can use him.

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1355706755' post='1266008']
[b]We haven't released him for the obvious reason[/b]; we need a back up QB who knows the system.
[/quote]

true! i know this already. we are discussing. lol! but, IF Tyrod is that horrible even as a backup QB (as say some in here are saying) again...why not get someone else in here and release the man so that he can have an opportunity to further his nfl career as a starter in this league for a team that could definitely use his services?

~Mili

[jdynamite]

There is no point in this. Tyrod Taylor has been on the Team for 2 years now, he looked horrible in preseason at times. Ran plays the wrong direction a few times. He throws highly erratic too. The only thing Tyrod could offer us is the threat of a running QB. Which could open more running lanes for Rice and Pierce.

Everybody's favorite player is always the backup QB until he gets in the game.

[PurpleCityLights]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1355692168' post='1264669']
Tyrod is my native Virginian and from my region. i've been following him since his high school days as a Hampton High Crab, then to Virginia Tech as a Hokie and now here as a Raven. BUT i don't want him to come in. to be honest, i'd like to see my boy Tyrod go to another team where he can start and shine because his skills and talents are going to waste here with the Ravens and sitting behind Joe Flacco. smh!

~Mili
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THIS^^^

[PurpleCityLights]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1355708500' post='1266149']
There is no point in this. Tyrod Taylor has been on the Team for 2 years now, he looked horrible in preseason at times. Ran plays the wrong direction a few times. He throws highly erratic too. The only thing Tyrod could offer us is the threat of a running QB. Which could open more running lanes for Rice and Pierce.

Everybody's favorite player is always the backup QB until he gets in the game.
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And Flacco looks better?

[Guest Im An Ozzie Newsome Guy]

@acosta2277, nothing personally, but this is the only thing that needs to be said (about your post)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1355708500' post='1266149']
There is no point in this. [b]Tyrod Taylor has been on the Team for 2 years now, he looked horrible in preseason at times. Ran plays the wrong direction a few times. He throws highly erratic too. [/b]The only thing Tyrod could offer us is the threat of a running QB. Which could open more running lanes for Rice and Pierce.

Everybody's favorite player is always the backup QB until he gets in the game.
[/quote]

and once again....with that being said...why not release him? that is all many of you keep saying about Tyrod's game and yet....no one but me is saying release him and let him go ball somewhere else. interesting! lol!

~Mili

[poedacrow]

[quote name='Ravenfanatic22' timestamp='1355707882' post='1266096']
we need to look at matt flynn in the offseason, someone needs to come in here and compete and possibly start.. im tired of flacco, in his 5th year and just doesnt have the "IT" factor
[/quote]
I think that's a legitimate suggestion and I like the Idea of a guy coming in here and at least competing for the job. Harbaugh's a big fan of "competition" for starting jobs and if we "lose out" to the Gints and the Bengals (and we may very well do just that) that might get the ball rolling.

[jdynamite]

@ Mili
Name a couple teams that you feel he could or would start on right now.

Short lists I'm sure will include: Cardinals, Jets, Bills (maybe Fitzpatrick is throws too many INTs ), Vikings ( Ponder hasn't been great but not sure if Taylor would do any better ) jaguars ( but Henne has played really well for them) , Chiefs, raiders ( Palmer is garbage )

Chiefs & Cardinals are the worst qb situations in the league IMO.

I don't have a problem with Tyrod Taylor, other than the fact that beat my Hurricanes in college a lot.

But other than the little preseason action I'm not sure what would give another NFL team the thought that he could start and lead their team. Usually a backup QB would have at least stepped in and performed well in limited duty so that another team offers him a contract.