Ravens Vs Giants

[rayvenfan_52]

Who will win this matchup that has been stirring everyone on both of the teams message boards?

Give me a reason why which team will come away with the win. Im not gonna predict a winner but a score.

Ravens

The Ravens front 7 are good at stopping any teams running game and making that team 1 dimensional.
Thats not a luxury for the Ravens though because the Giants actually have a pretty good passing game.
The secondary for the Ravens will need to step up otherwise the Giants may end up taking the game away through the air.
Joe Flacco has shown he can perform even against stout defenses. Can he do it with a team that has had success in the pass rush with only 4 down linemen?
With Derrick Mason being listed as questionable will Flacco struggle in the pass game?
The Ravens bread and butter will be its rushing attack that consists of Willis McGahee, LeRon McClain & Ray Rice.
Each of the RBs have their own unique style of running and are good at catching passes as well as getting yards upfield.

Giants

The Giants front 4 are no questionable the best line to get pressure with them and them alone.
If the Ravens offense does step up and keep them from getting to Flacco will they expose their secondary just to have that extra guy blitz at the line?
The Ravens will have a tough time against the running game as well because the Giants have their own 3 RBs that can get the job done.
The Giants will rely on BJ a lot during the running game. If he manages to get to the Ravens secondary then you could probably see him go all the way to the house for a TD.
If the run game gets shut down then the Giants can always fall back on their QB Eli Manning to get them there.
With great WRs in Burress, Smith, Toomer and TE Boss the Ravens secondary will have their hands full.

Both teams are looking to prove something.
Giants are proving that as defending Super Bowl Champions their win in the Super Bowl wasnt a fluke
&
the Ravens are trying to prove that their 6 and 3 record is not that way because of facing teams with losing records

Itll be a fun game to watch... Heres the score

23-27

Should be somewhere around there.
Give me your thoughs people.

[macbrak]

Ravens by too close to call

Joe's going to continue his performance and show that the Colts game was a fluke (or that the Colts have a supply of purple Kryptonite).


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[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='macbrak' post='88951' date='Nov 12 2008, 12:27 PM']Ravens by too close to call

Joe's going to continue his performance and show that the Colts game was a fluke (or that the Colts have a supply of purple Kryptonite).


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The Colts always beat us. It pisses me off because 1 of those wins we had the best defensive outing against them and we lost to nothing but FGs.

[Steelerkillers]

Bottom line,if The Ravens hold jacobs to 60yrds,hurry Eli a few times,dont get hammered in the secondary and dont turn the ball over, THEY WILL WIN!

[thewarden86]

First of all, it is near impossible to ask a fan of any team to be unbiased when choosing the winner of a game in which his/her team is playing. That said, I'm picking the Giants in a close one. That too said, It's only close if Plax hasn't cleaned the $%^& from between his ears (he's burned B-More plenty in the past).

[ravens27]

[quote name='thewarden86' post='89043' date='Nov 12 2008, 08:15 PM']First of all, it is near impossible to ask a fan of any team to be unbiased when choosing the winner of a game in which his/her team is playing. That said, I'm picking the Giants in a close one. That too said, It's only close if Plax hasn't cleaned the $%^& from between his ears (he's burned B-More plenty in the past).[/quote]

Your cheering for the ravens in this game aren't you?

[itscbm5042]

Joe Flacco sets the world on fire when he throws for 4 TD's and 328 yards...in the first half. He also records a sack on Eli Manning which results in off-setting "roughing the passer" penalties.

[ravensgirlx88]

Im just amused how many Giants fans really are scared of us winning on Sunday, That is an accomplishment in itself to the ravens season

[thewarden86]

[quote name='ravens27' post='89044' date='Nov 12 2008, 08:19 PM']Your cheering for the ravens in this game aren't you? [/quote]


Sorry to disappoint, but I am obligated not too. You know how it is.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='89048' date='Nov 12 2008, 08:41 PM']Im just amused how many Giants fans really are scared of us winning on Sunday, That is an accomplishment in itself to the ravens season [/quote]


I didn't pick up on any fear from any of them. I think they may be undersestimating the Raven's Run D, but I also think you guys may be underestimating Eli. Everybody likes to pick him apart because he quiet, but..... I think at the end of the year, no one has a better shot at the last laugh..., No one.

[ravens27]

[quote name='thewarden86' post='89053' date='Nov 12 2008, 08:52 PM'] Sorry to disappoint, but I am obligated not too. You know how it is.[/quote]

Oh ok I see how it is.

[bmorefan80]

[quote name='thewarden86' post='89043' date='Nov 12 2008, 08:15 PM'](he's burned B-More plenty in the past).[/quote]

HAHA, I disagree! We gave plaxico the name plexi-glass because we used to bump his butt at the line plenty of times...We can hold plexi no problem. I don't think plexi will be the problem

[#1 D]

[quote name='bmorefan80' post='89072' date='Nov 12 2008, 10:13 PM']HAHA, I disagree! We gave plaxico the name plexi-glass because we used to bump his butt at the line plenty of times...We can hold plexi no problem. I don't think plexi will be the problem [/quote]

I think we held plexi down with C-mac, not Samari...but i think if samari and the ravens can cover Andre Johnson, they can cover this man.

[bmorefan80]

Keep Plexi at the line, just like in the past...Pressure Eli, and we should not create the big plays. I think that will be one of the Ravens focus this week.

Not being biased(well maybe) Ravens win 24-17! It could be a bigger score(Ravens side) considering I think "No Huddle" offense can destroy a good defensive team.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='bmorefan80' post='89072' date='Nov 12 2008, 10:13 PM']HAHA, I disagree! We gave plaxico the name plexi-glass because we used to bump his butt at the line plenty of times...We can hold plexi no problem. I don't think plexi will be the problem [/quote]

I seem to recall Plax abusing C Mac. Maybe it was a little more even then that, but it's still not just him you have to cover. They're one of the few teams in the NFL with quality depth at WR (Burress, Toomer, Smith and Hixon. Plus Boss). For a team coming in with a weak/banged-up secondary..., I dunno fellas.

[Ravens52]

[quote name='bmorefan80' post='89079' date='Nov 12 2008, 10:24 PM']Keep Plexi at the line, just like in the past...Pressure Eli, and we should not create the big plays. I think that will be one of the Ravens focus this week.

Not being biased(well maybe) Ravens win 24-17! It could be a bigger score(Ravens side) considering I think[b] "No Huddle" offense can destroy a good defensive team.[/b][/quote]

That's what killed us last year.

I think this is way too close too call, but I'm going to be honest but I feeling A BLOW OUT by one team.

[bmorefan80]

[quote name='thewarden86' post='89084' date='Nov 12 2008, 10:35 PM']I seem to recall Plax abusing C Mac. Maybe it was a little more even then that, but it's still not just him you have to cover. They're one of the few teams in the NFL with quality depth at WR (Burress, Toomer, Smith and Hixon. Plus Boss). For a team coming in with a weak/banged-up secondary..., I dunno fellas.[/quote]
Giants secondary isn't that swift either...They are pretty much like the Ravens atm strong Dline but secondary can be a little hair-scratching.

The bottom line is both teams can't let the big play happen.

We have good receivers on our team. We just have to give them a name out there like T.O. or Plexi. The only way a receiver can be productive is to have a good QB. I think Flacco is a good QB right now. I mean look at T.O., R.Moss, and Ocho, they aren't as productive as they were when they had a good QB in. O.line makes a good QB, QB makes a good Receiver. Thats pretty much how I see the rotation stir up.

Why do you think Tom Brady bought his whole O.Line Rolex watches? Any QB will give the O.line credit for a big play, not the receiver who blankly became open.

I'm just hoping for a good game to keep me a happy buzzy drunk on Sunday.

[bmorefan80]

[quote name='thewarden86' post='89084' date='Nov 12 2008, 10:35 PM']I seem to recall Plax abusing C Mac. Maybe it was a little more even then that, but it's still not just him you have to cover. They're one of the few teams in the NFL with quality depth at WR (Burress, Toomer, Smith and Hixon. Plus Boss). For a team coming in with a weak/banged-up secondary..., I dunno fellas.[/quote]
Ahh I almost forgot...Plexi again. You don't remember how Plexi got his name? Bumped him at the line and never broke apart(you know like Plexi-glass, ) I'm sure he is looking for a challenge against our D again.

I will give the Giants respect, because they are Super Bowl champs. Its a whole new year though, anything can happen.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='89048' date='Nov 12 2008, 08:41 PM']Im just amused how many Giants fans really are scared of us winning on Sunday, That is an accomplishment in itself to the ravens season [/quote]


Actually, I'm not surprised...we only sucked last year because of injuries. I expected a 9 or 10 win season from us this year w/ Troy Smith under center and a relatively healthy season...

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravens52' post='89086' date='Nov 12 2008, 10:36 PM']I think this is way too close too call, but I'm going to be honest but I feeling A BLOW OUT by one team.[/quote]


Wouldn't surprise me if one of the teams got blown out

[Slyde]

[quote name='bmorefan80' post='89079' date='Nov 12 2008, 10:24 PM']Keep Plexi at the line, just like in the past...Pressure Eli, and we should not create the big plays. I think that will be one of the Ravens focus this week.

Not being biased(well maybe) Ravens win 24-17! It could be a bigger score(Ravens side) considering I think "No Huddle" offense can destroy a good defensive team.[/quote]

The Ravens are not an offensive juggernaut though. The last 4 weeks have been against teams with mediocre/suspect D's. But anything can happen.

[Ravensfan23]

I posted this in the other Giants thread but felt like it would be better served in this one. So here's how i feel about this game:

Everything i know about football tells me that this will be a very tightly contested game. Both teams have defenses that can be dominate at times. It will come down to which team folds first. With playcalling and play. Many people talk about how the Ravens secondary is weak, but they still rank 4th in the NFL. Looking at this thread i see a lot of people bring up the Steelers game and Titans games, but the Ravens are a different team now. Back in weeks 4 and 5 we were a young team still learning how to win. Now we have the confidence of a team that knows they can compete with anyone in this league. Now this is not to say the Ravens will win just because they have confidence, but it will be a much better game then anyone could have imagined when the schedule was printed.

Here is my view of what the Ravens need to do in order to win this game. First off we need to establish a pyshical presence on the defensive line. I think the Ravens can contain the Giants rushing attack with just 7 in the box, but it will not be easy. The Giants oline has done a great job of protecting Eli so it will not be easy getting to him, so the key here is getting pressure and forcing Eli to move his feet. The Giants aren't anything special on offense they just line up and come at you. The thing is they do that extremely well. The're still of offense plays into what Rex likes to do on defense, they run right at you and playaction over top when needed. If the Ravens D can keep everything in front of them, they will have some success against this offense.

On the other side of the ball i beleive this young group of guys will face it's toughest test all season. The good thing is these young guys have been stepping up to the plate all season. When u look at the Ravens offense, the thing u notice is that they have progressively gottent better as the season goes on. The Ravens much like the Giants want to come right at you in the run game and playaction over the top when they can. The difference between the 2 is that the Ravens use lots of different looks to try to accomplish this. Unblanced line, shotgun, dual QB, screens, and misdirection and some of the ways the Ravens like to attack. The Giants D is allowing about 4 ypc so i definately think there will be some room for McGahee and Rice, add McClain/Neal and we might just be able to wear them down by mid to late 3rd quarter. They only allow about 87 ypg so it will be tough early, but with the way attack in different formations i think it will go along way to establishing the run.

I think the most important units in this game will be the Oline and ST. Flacco will be pressured in the game, we just have to minimize the damage. Like i said before these young guys up front have been tested all season and usually do a great job, they will have to continue that in this game. If giving time Flacco has proven that he can make the correct reads and deliver a good ball, i see no reason why this shouldn't continue. As far as ST goes we have had problems in the return coverage, but this past game with Hauschka kicking off we greatly improved. With Hauschka kicking into or close to the endzone on KOs and Koch averaging 46 yards per punt, i think it would be huge if we could make the Giants travel 80 plus yards to consistently beat our D.

Like i said earlier i see this game being tightly contested. Both teams will battle and make this probably the Game of the Week, however i think this game will get away from one of these teams in the 4th quarter. Late turnovers will change this game, turnover a 13-13 game into a 27-13 game. I just don't know who will make the big mistakes.

[Shadowalker]

The phrase Any Given Sunday is being used very often around this forum. But in honesty this all depends on Eli's consistency and our young offensive line showing up. Anyone that thinks this will be a blowout is wrongly mistaken. This will be four hard quarters of non stop hitting ,penalties and hard running (if to any avail)

Although I respect Eli as a quarterback his judgment is questionable at times, I predict a few interceptions.

In the end of it all i see 17-24 Baltimore .

Leron - 5 carries with 64 yards and a TD
Willis - 17 carries 89 yards
Ray - 6 carries 51 yards

Joe - 18-33 266 yards 2TD, and sadly and INT
Troy- 2-3 30 yards 1 ryshing td

Mason 7 catches for 102 yards
Heap 4 catches for 34 yards 1 TD
Clayton 3 catches for 72 yards
Yamon- 4 catches 44 yards
Rice - 3 catches 14 yards

[Slyde]

[quote name='Shadowalker' post='89161' date='Nov 13 2008, 09:03 AM']The phrase Any Given Sunday is being used very often around this forum. But in honesty this all depends on Eli's consistency and our young offensive line showing up. Anyone that thinks this will be a blowout is wrongly mistaken. This will be four hard quarters of non stop hitting ,penalties and hard running (if to any avail)

Although I respect Eli as a quarterback his judgment is questionable at times, I predict a few interceptions.

In the end of it all i see 17-24 Baltimore .

Leron - 5 carries with 64 yards and a TD
Willis - 17 carries 89 yards
Ray - 6 carries 51 yards

Joe - 18-33 266 yards 2TD, and sadly and INT
Troy- 2-3 30 yards 1 ryshing td

Mason 7 catches for 102 yards
Heap 4 catches for 34 yards 1 TD
Clayton 3 catches for 72 yards
Yamon- 4 catches 44 yards
Rice - 3 catches 14 yards[/quote]

That's a lot of rushing yards we would be giving up considering we just held Brian Westbrook to 35 on the ground. But anything could happen.

[Shadowalker]

Westbrook Does not have;

Our O-line
a good back up
size
a cutback move

ok to tell you the truth i meant 34 yards but I type without looking and if 6 is what my pinky hit so be it. Who can argue with the football gods??

[Slyde]

[quote name='Shadowalker' post='89165' date='Nov 13 2008, 09:24 AM']Westbrook Does not have;

Our O-line
a good back up
size
a cutback move

ok to tell you the truth i meant 34 yards but I type without looking and if 6 is what my pinky hit so be it. Who can argue with the football gods??[/quote]

Do you think your O-line is better than the Eagles? I don't think I could make that statement. They do have a good backup named Buckhalter. I don't recall the Giants giving up more than 100 yards to a team this year, but I am not sure. So that is going to change on Sunday?

[Shadowalker]

No but I believe you gave up 84 yards to Moore??!?!?!?!

In that game Jacobs and Ward had 47 and 37 yards. I mean come on?!?!

[Slyde]

[quote name='Shadowalker' post='89188' date='Nov 13 2008, 10:12 AM']No but I believe you gave up 84 yards to Moore??!?!?!?!

In that game Jacobs and Ward had 47 and 37 yards. I mean come on?!?![/quote]

Let's remember that 40% of those yards Moore picked up was on one play that was blown coverage. So Jacobs and Ward had a slow game against a top ranked D, that doesn't mean it will happen against every top ranked D.

I wish the Giants could be play the Titans this year.

[Shadowalker]

Listen the "so what" factor doesn't apply in this situation. Mind you that the Ravens do have a better run defense and better backs then Moore hahaha

[Slyde]

[quote name='Shadowalker' post='89193' date='Nov 13 2008, 10:26 AM']Listen the "so what" factor doesn't apply in this situation. Mind you that the Ravens do have a better run defense and better backs then Moore hahaha[/quote]

Ok, we shall see then. Let's just leave it at that.