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[arnie_uk]

Retirements

Birk.

Restructures.

Jones
Boldin
Ray
Leach

Cuts

Bobby Williams
McClain

Resignings

Flacco, 7 year deal coming in just under 100 mil, about 14 per year.
Ellerbe to a deal just below what McClain signed.
McBean to a 1 year minimum deal.

Obviously that leaves Paul Kruger and reed as to major players not being resigned. Kruger has played great recently, has the most sacks over the last five games or something like that. You know what that tells me? Someone will overpay him and we won't be able or even want to pay him n that case with upshaw coming through.

The only thing on our side is the abundance of pass rushers, teams may want to draft a guy they love but I can't see him being ignored.

Now reed I'm torn on, I really think the same thing could happen him as happened Lewis. No one will want to pay him what he wants and he will come back with his tail between his legs. He could even retire, but I think he wants paid again. I could see him getting the tag as iirc it's not considerably high for safety's, it is however to high for Kruger IMO. The real reason I'd want ed to stay is to help groom my number one pick, which leads me to the draft.

Draft

Round 1.
Matt Elam. Can play centre field, often lines up one on one with receivers. I've seen him blitz, play on the box, he's the clear leader on the d, shouting out adjustments and calls. He can intercept the ball, the only criticism I have ATM is he launches to much. Needs to wrap up more, could be liable to defenceless receiver penalties at the next left. Plays with great fire, passion and intensity. Much like pollard, except better i coverage, could be the next great centre fielder.

Round 2
Jesse Williams or margus hunt, both need to be developed, both are raw, Williams hasn't offered much of a pass rush, I'm not sure if he'd develop into more than Cody would. With hunt we could move ngata to nt, have hunt and jones at de.

Hunt comes with the added bonus of being a special teams ace which harbaugh will love. He's had 14 blocked kicks or something crazy like that.

Another guy to look at here, maybe even trade down a wee bit is Jordan hill of penn state. He's a solid run defender, but what really impresses me is his ability to rush the passer, he's got some speed an burst about him, dominating what many say is a great Wisconsin oline. Again ngata would be a nose tackle here with hill and jones de.

Round 3
Arthur brown ilb Kansas state. Falls due to size, and rumoured character conerns. Many are wanting ogletree in the first, I think Arthur brown would be incredibly better value later. His instincts are better, he's a better tackler, trusts whats he sees, can fight of blocks well, reads and diagnoses plays early. Is great on coverage, can run with anyone, evidenced by chasing down rg3 last year. Only concern is his size, ogletree is 2,3 inches bigger and maybe 10 pounds. He needs to add some weight to play ilb in a 34, but not to much to hinder his movement skills.

Then hopefully get a third round comp pick and take Brandon Jenkins. He's injured and so will drop, but in the third he is great value. Could potentially replace Paul Kruger who I see leaving. He was dominate in 2010 and seen more attention in 2011 but still notched 8 sacks.

Tis draft IMO fixes pretty much every main issue on defense we have inside the first three rounds.

Free agent signings.

I think Brandon Albert will be out of our price range, even if he wasn't I think he's tagged. Another tackle that could be available is phil loadholt, but he would be a right tackle, and it would mean shifting about the line a bit. Vollmer could play left tackle if given a chance I just don't see him hitting the market.

So look to the inside, Andre LeVitre of the bills, although I think he gets resigned. I'd like to see a guy like Ryan Lilja who I don't know of the chiefs will get resigned along with Brandon Albert. He's having himself a good year, he could even play centre of needed.

Birk retiring Means we will need a centre, maybe someone like brad messter for experience to come in

Defensive line you could look at Jason jones of Seattle, Glenn Dorsey of kc again, experienced players to help bring along the rookie I predict to be drafted, art jones and the likes.

[horus13corvineus]

not you too arnie lol... can't we just leave the season to finish before we start planning for next please... no way ellerbe get less than mcclain if cut (second round tender and our only lb that can really play)

[berad]

Jacoby, Vonta, and Anquan only have one more year (after this one) on their deals. You can't restructure that unless you ask them to take an outright pay cut or re-sign them to more years.

[arnie_uk]

not you too arnie lol... can't we just leave the season to finish before we start planning for next please... no way ellerbe get less than mcclain if cut (second round tender and our only lb that can really play)

hes been a bit injury prone and inconsistent until now, hasn't even got a starting spot when everyone's fit, I think we can get him to less than McClain no doubt.

I'm normally earlier on the mock, a bit late this year

[arnie_uk]

Jacoby, Vonta, and Anquan only have one more year (after this one) on their deals. You can't restructure that unless you ask them to take an outright pay cut or re-sign them to more years.

more years in all cases, but there's no way both jones and boldin stay at the rates they are on. One will be cut or both extended and re done. I'd prefer the latter.

Leach isn't worth what he's paid for all he sees the field. So he will be cut or extended as well IMO.

[horus13corvineus]

more years in all cases, but there's no way both jones and boldin stay at the rates they are on. One will be cut or both extended and re done. I'd prefer the latter.

Leach isn't worth what he's paid for all he sees the field. So he will be cut or extended as well IMO.

both jones and boldin can get another two years extension making their rates cap friendly
leach will get same too, no way he's leaving, not now when we're making rice our qb lol
agree on krug leaving for a better offer and us getting somebody in the draft somewhere rounds 3-4

[GrimCoconut]

I like the players and this draft has a lot of potential. I'll say this much: I like all the players and agree with your comments. I'm pretty high on Elam myself, but I just think he's going to blow up the combine and go top-5 or something with how this safety class has been unable to separate themselves. As for Brown, I keep hearing good things about him so he sounds good. I'm going to watch some stuff on him soon. But I do agree that he is a good prospect.

As for Ngata, Hunt, & Williams I like that. I also like Hill a lot, too. I prefer Hill to Williams or Hunt, personally. Hunt just give you that special teams aspect as well as potential. Hunt is a risk vs. reward player. I believe the best solution for our defense is to move Ngata to NT permanently. I like a formation of Jones - Ngata - Hunt/Floyd/Hill/McPhee/Tyson or Hunt/Floyd/Hill/Tyson/McPhee - Ngata - McPhee/Jones better than something with Cody, Kemo, or even Williams in at NT.

I prefer doing something like:

1st: Matt Elam, S
2nd: Oday Aboushi, LT
3rd: Arthur Brown, ILB
4th: Jordan Hill, DE
4th: Brandon Jenkins, OLB

Nice mock. I disagree with letting Reed walk, but I know you're not saying he should walk just that he probably will. I think he'll get looks but I doubt anyone wants to overpay due to his injury history so he returns. There is realistic possibility of Kruger leaving. Very realistic.

[arnie_uk]

I like the players and this draft has a lot of potential. I'll say this much: I like all the players and agree with your comments. I'm pretty high on Elam myself, but I just think he's going to blow up the combine and go top-5 or something with how this safety class has been unable to separate themselves. As for Brown, I keep hearing good things about him so he sounds good. I'm going to watch some stuff on him soon. But I do agree that he is a good prospect.

As for Ngata, Hunt, & Williams I like that. I also like Hill a lot, too. I prefer Hill to Williams or Hunt, personally. Hunt just give you that special teams aspect as well as potential. Hunt is a risk vs. reward player. I believe the best solution for our defense is to move Ngata to NT permanently. I like a formation of Jones - Ngata - Hunt/Floyd/Hill/McPhee/Tyson or Hunt/Floyd/Hill/Tyson/McPhee - Ngata - McPhee/Jones better than something with Cody, Kemo, or even Williams in at NT.

I prefer doing something like:

1st: Matt Elam, S
2nd: Oday Aboushi, LT
3rd: Arthur Brown, ILB
4th: Jordan Hill, DE
4th: Brandon Jenkins, OLB

Nice mock. I disagree with letting Reed walk, but I know you're not saying he should walk just that he probably will. I think he'll get looks but I doubt anyone wants to overpay due to his injury history so he returns. There is realistic possibility of Kruger leaving. Very realistic.

do you see hill falling to the fourth? Isn't he a 2nd early third talent? His pass rush is what sets him apart from the other big guys that won't go in the first.

I also see someone taking a flier on Jenkins earlier than the fourth. I'd love us to do it n the third if we get a comp pick there for the lose of Grubbs.

[gabefergy]

I like the mock for the most part except I dont think Arthur Brown will be around in the 3rd round. I have a suspicion that he will blow up the combine and really jump up draft boards. I would be surprised if he isnt a top 50 pick. I love Elam, but I'm not sure of the value of taking a safety in the first round especially considering the depth of the position in this draft.

As for free agency I agree that we should try to find someone who can play LT. If we cant figure out something with Boldin and/or Jones I could see us going after a WR too.

[arnie_uk]

I like the mock for the most part except I dont think Arthur Brown will be around in the 3rd round. I have a suspicion that he will blow up the combine and really jump up draft boards. I would be surprised if he isnt a top 50 pick. I love Elam, but I'm not sure of the value of taking a safety in the first round especially considering the depth of the position in this draft.

As for free agency I agree that we should try to find someone who can play LT. If we cant figure out something with Boldin and/or Jones I could see us going after a WR too.

i dunno, the ilb position is pretty deep. Teo, Mosley, ogletree, hodges, skov, minter, reddick, I don't think you can really pick many of them apart, aside from teo and Mosley.

Would you be thinking more along the lines of Mosley on the first and then Rambo instead of brown?

Edited by arnie_uk, 14 December 2012 - 06:04 PM.

[gabefergy]

i dunno, the ilb position is pretty deep. Teo, Mosley, ogletree, hodges, skov, minter, reddick, I don't think you can really pick many of them apart, aside from teo and Mosley.

Would you be thinking more along the lines of Mosley on the first and then Rambo instead of brown?

To me that would be more realistic. I like Mosley and Brown pretty much equally, although I think Mosley is better in coverage and Brown is better at playing the run. Rambo is underrated IMO. He has good range and is not afraid to hit. I would imagine he has better measurables than Elam too.

I would rank the ILBs Te'o, Ogletree, Mosley, Brown, Minter. Those are all top 50 picks for me, and then I think there is a big drop off after that.

Edited by gabefergy, 14 December 2012 - 06:13 PM.

[GrimCoconut]

do you see hill falling to the fourth? Isn't he a 2nd early third talent? His pass rush is what sets him apart from the other big guys that won't go in the first.

I also see someone taking a flier on Jenkins earlier than the fourth. I'd love us to do it n the third if we get a comp pick there for the lose of Grubbs.

I've seen his draft stock go from 2nd to 4th depending on the site. I think he's a 2nd round talent.

And I think where Jenkins goes depends a lot on how he performs at the combine and if he even does perform there. If he doesn't it will hurt his stock. If he doesn't have a pro day, that hurts it even more. I think he could be a bottom of the 4th prospect if he has no pro day or combine.

I hope we get a 3rd for Grubbs, too.

[Bravens292]

nobody is going to want to overpay (draft picks) for guys like Pitta and Dickson so they'll likely be back too.

[gabefergy]

I've seen his draft stock go from 2nd to 4th depending on the site. I think he's a 2nd round talent.

And I think where Jenkins goes depends a lot on how he performs at the combine and if he even does perform there. If he doesn't it will hurt his stock. If he doesn't have a pro day, that hurts it even more. I think he could be a bottom of the 4th prospect if he has no pro day or combine.

I hope we get a 3rd for Grubbs, too.

That would be nice, but I dont see that happening because of the Saints implosion. He probably doesnt make the Pro-Bowl and because they wont make the playoffs his value in the Compensatory pick calculator will fall. I think we will get a 4th for him though.

[GrimCoconut]

To me that would be more realistic. I like Mosley and Brown pretty much equally, although I think Mosley is better in coverage and Brown is better at playing the run. Rambo is underrated IMO. He has good range and is not afraid to hit. I would imagine he has better measurables than Elam too.

I would rank the ILBs Te'o, Ogletree, Mosley, Brown, Minter. Those are all top 50 picks for me, and then I think there is a big drop off after that.

I agree regarding the ILB rankings you have. I'm fond of all those ILBs, except my knowledge on Brown is very limited. Mosley is a beast and I like him a lot as well.

This is shaping up to be a nice ILB & S draft. I'd also rather take Thomas the safety from Fresno. He doesn't have the leadership of Elam but he's a ballhawk.

[gabefergy]

I agree regarding the ILB rankings you have. I'm fond of all those ILBs, except my knowledge on Brown is very limited. Mosley is a beast and I like him a lot as well.

This is shaping up to be a nice ILB & S draft. I'd also rather take Thomas the safety from Fresno. He doesn't have the leadership of Elam but he's a ballhawk.

I love Thomas as well. While he is not high on a lot of boards at the moment, I know a few draft people who are very high on him. Some have him as the first safety off the board. I'm really excited about this draft because it is deep at every position we need, specifically DT, ILB, and safety. I think we could also use another pass-rusher depending on what happens with Kruger.

[GrimCoconut]

That would be nice, but I dont see that happening because of the Saints implosion. He probably doesnt make the Pro-Bowl and because they wont make the playoffs his value in the Compensatory pick calculator will fall. I think we will get a 4th for him though.

Hence why I am hopeful. Lol.

Still, a 4th is pretty nice. I think we'll get something good there.

Also, I noticed on your list of ILB no Jackson. Why not? Not a fan? Or just think there's a big gap between him and the others?

[gabefergy]

Hence why I am hopeful. Lol.

Still, a 4th is pretty nice. I think we'll get something good there.

Also, I noticed on your list of ILB no Jackson. Why not? Not a fan? Or just think there's a big gap between him and the others?

Jackson is ok from the limited action I have seen of him. He seems to have good straight line speed, but I am not sure about his ability to drop into coverage and his ability to break down in space. He seems to be more of a down-hill type.

[Ngata Chance]

Alabama coach Nick Saban says Jackson is "a really good player."

"He's a thumper," Saban said. "He's very instinctive. He really plays the run well and is very physical. He can take on blockers, he's a really good tackler.

"I think he's an SEC player, no doubt."

Jackson plays the game "the way you like to see defensive players play it."

"A lot of toughness, a lot of tenacity, and really plays hard," Saban said. "I would think he's a good leader, just by the way he plays, but I don't know him personally. I've got a lot of respect for the guy."
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That sounds pretty good to me.

[arnie_uk]

nobody is going to want to overpay (draft picks) for guys like Pitta and Dickson so they'll likely be back too.

hence why I didn't mention them, I should have said I think every RFA comes back even david reed.