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New Mass Effect coming in 2014 - 2015....

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I am so excited to hear this! I loved the series. I am not sure if it's a continuation as it doesn't say whether or not it will be a prequel or sequel. Shall be interesting though. More info to come in 2013 on the release.

http://m.computerandvideogames.com/383410/mass-effect-4-release-date-late-2014-to-mid-2015-bioware-dev/
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I figured EA wasn't going to let a money making franchise die. That being said, I doubt I buy this. After the horrid ending to ME3, BioWare lost my business.
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VERY cool to hear. Even though it's so far away, the ME universe and story-telling will always keep me interested.
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1355354985' post='1259610']
I am so excited to hear this! I loved the series. I am not sure if it's a continuation as [b]it doesn't say whether or not it will be a prequel or sequel[/b]. Shall be interesting though. More info to come in 2013 on the release.

[url="http://m.computerandvideogames.com/383410/mass-effect-4-release-date-late-2014-to-mid-2015-bioware-dev/"]http://m.computerand...15-bioware-dev/[/url]
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According to this, they haven't even decided yet.

[url="http://m.computerandvideogames.com/373748/mass-effect-4-there-will-be-no-more-shepard?ns_campaign=mobile-yml&ns_mchannel=mobile-site&ns_source=cvg&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0"]http://m.computerandvideogames.com/373748/mass-effect-4-there-will-be-no-more-shepard?ns_campaign=mobile-yml&ns_mchannel=mobile-site&ns_source=cvg&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0[/url]
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1355356077' post='1259616']
VERY cool to hear. Even though it's so far away, the ME universe and story-telling will always keep me interested.
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Agreed. I'm a big fan of Bioware, even after ME 3's ending. :D
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[quote name='YYZ66' timestamp='1355421979' post='1260229']
Agreed. I'm a big fan of Bioware, even after ME 3's ending. :D
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Ever since they were bought by EA, BioWare's storytelling and gameplay quality has taken a gigantic hit though. They're being forced to rush games to meet deadlines instead of putting them out when they're done. That's really what happened on ME3, and I'm guessing the obvious rush job on Dragon Age II was also caused by that. You can't spit out sweeping epic stories every year like EA wants.
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Ending aside, ME3 was one of the best games I have ever played. The ending was very disappointing but the characters and overall story was great, as were the other ME games. Also, the multiplayer is pretty good too.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1355432432' post='1260399']
Ending aside, ME3 was one of the best games I have ever played. The ending was very disappointing but the characters and overall story was great, as were the other ME games. Also, the multiplayer is pretty good too.
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Dumb question for you, I'm sure. But did you ever play ME2? If so, which did you find better? I was in love with 3, as it was the first of the series I ever played, so I figured try out 2 and go back to see if I liked those as well. Turns out I was even deeper into 2.

Much like the rest of you -- I didn't agree with ME3 's ending, but the game play overall is way too good to let the ending ruin the game play for me. I also never tried co-op, so now I am tempted to go load it up, and see how I like it.
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1355449813' post='1260600']
Dumb question for you, I'm sure. But did you ever play ME2? If so, which did you find better? I was in love with 3, as it was the first of the series I ever played, so I figured try out 2 and go back to see if I liked those as well. Turns out I was even deeper into 2.

Much like the rest of you -- I didn't agree with ME3 's ending, but the game play overall is way too good to let the ending ruin the game play for me. I also never tried co-op, so now I am tempted to go load it up, and see how I like it.
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Yup, played all of them. Another good thing is how different the games are, from story to actual gameplay. ME2, to me, seemed a lot bigger and I loved the story. I liked how they introduced new characters but you got to see your old squadmates, too.

I LOVE the rpg/shooter aspect of the games.
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The ending of ME3 Left me VERY disappointed and discouraged. I honestly felt this series was at the level of Star Wars and Star Trek in the Sci-fi category. It had everything going for it. Compelling story, great sub plots, detailed history, interesting characters to connect to.

Galactical readiness was a WASTE. I felt so cheated with ME3.

ME4 would have to change drastically for me to want to even think about playing it.

The ending ruined it for me completely.

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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1355449813' post='1260600']
Much like the rest of you -- I didn't agree with ME3 's ending, but the game play overall is way too good to let the ending ruin the game play for me. I also never tried co-op, so now I am tempted to go load it up, and see how I like it.
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When you have a story driven franchise, a bad ending is more than enough to ruin a game.

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1355499682' post='1260807']
The ending of ME3 Left me VERY disappointed and discouraged. I honestly felt this series was at the level of Star Wars and Star Trek in the Sci-fi category. It had everything going for it. Compelling story, great sub plots, detailed history, interesting characters to connect to.
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The extended cut made it slightly better, but still overall the ending was horrible and it ruined the game for me. I refuse to go do my Insanity playthrough. Maybe that makes ME more like Star Wars and Star Trek. Look at how many bad Trek movies there are, and even the Star Wars original trilogy had the Ewoks.
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Eh...EA has really killed this franchise for me. ME2 was the best in the series hands down, especially if you got the second game on the PS3; all DLC included on disc. The Shadow broker alone was amazing DLC. That being said all of these online passes and tricks EA tries to pull are starting to get ridiculous. EA just being EA. ME3 just didn't capture the magic of the other two games. Also, Bioware needs to take their time on their next big game like my homies at Bethesda(J.K) do for their big titles. Granted Bethesda's past couple titles have had massive glitches and game crashes which I think is somewhat due to the shear scope of their worlds; still doesn't change the fact that they're amazing games. I'm really hoping for an eventual new KOTOR game with mass effect style dialogue, space travel....etc
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Ok, so sorry for continuing to beat this dead horse, but since you guys mentioned it, I guess I'll throw my opinion in again. A couple of my gamer buddies and myself still cannot get over the backlash from the end of ME3. We all agreed we have never really viewed anything quite like it in gaming and we all essentially came to the same conclusion as we each completed the game: apart from perhaps elaborating on the fates of the other characters in the ME universe, we found no problems with the actual endings themselves. I heard everyone complain about how all of the choices they made throughout the trilogy "didn't really matter." I can see the point to a degree, but really if you thought that because you chose to out Administer Anoleis on Noveria or help Aria's Patriach on Omega etc etc were going to have huge ramifications on the entire story, you obviously don't understand the current limits of gaming software. That said, all of the major storylines from the trilogy's lore were neatly wrapped up leading up to the ending and they were all pretty rewarding IMO. Curing the krogan genophage (or feigning it) and mending the hostilities they had with the turians, ending the geth/quarian schism, taking down Cerberus once and for all, learning the entire truth behind the Protheans and mass relays, it goes on. And most of the time you would attain different outcomes for each of these events based on your choices over the trilogy. The endings gave you as much choice, if not more so, than any other game I've played with true choice-based endings (Fallout series, Infamous, etc) so I just don't get it. And the extended cut DLC that was free resolved any gripes I did have with the shorter ending. EDI, Hackett, and "Reaper Shepard's" narrations with imagery truly let you know where the ME galaxy stands based on your decisions. I'm open to you guys elaborating on why you didn't care for the ending if I didn't touch on it above, I like civil conversations, especially about a series I am passionate about.

In regards to these rumors, I knew they were planning another one. My only prerequisite would be that its story needs to occur BEFORE the ending of ME3 as not doing so would completely undo the choices we did make for each of our own Shepards' fates. I am still picking up ME3 multiplayer at least every weekend for the weekend challenges and there are still lots of people playing so the market is still there. If EA smells cash, you can guarantee they'll continue milking BioWare. I just hope gameplay and story remain excellent and nothing is rushed out. Whew, thanks for reading if you made it this far, haha.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]*plugs ears, covers eyes* ... I don't want to hear it. I don't want to see. Playing the trilogy for the first time. La la la la la la la.[/i][/font]
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[color=#ff0000][b]Bioware is just another company EA has ruined. They are liars. scum. They do not care about their fans. Watch this short video, explain the whole dabacle with ME3.[/b][/color]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8[/media]
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This is a serious downer. I'm sure the next one will be good, but could have been epic if EA wasn't involved. *sigh*
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Since we have so many ME vets, newb needing assistance.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Just finished playing through ME2 for the first time. Earthborn, War Hero, Soldier, Paragon. I tried my damnedest to get the "No One Left Behind" trophy; wound up losing Zaeed, Thane & Mordin. I believe I have all the upgrades to the ship. I believe I have all the armor and weapons upgrades available. I've done all the loyalty missions. I've done every side mission available to me. Even went to each system to check for anomalies.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Once through the relay:[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Garrus to be in charge of the second squad.[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Tali & Jack to be in my squad.[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Thane to infiltrate the ventilation ducts.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Result: Thane died. Yeoman Chambers died.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Then...[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Legion to escort Dr. Chakawas back to the ship.[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Zaeed to lead the second squad.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Result: Legion & Chakawas live. Zaeed died.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Finally...[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Grunt & Jacob to be in my squad to face the final boss.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Result: Mordin died.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Any tips for the newb before he begins his second round?[/i][/font]
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if you didn't do the loyalty quest for each person and talk to the squadmates often between missions (to build the relationship), then they're pretty much guaranteed to die. i have the exact, foolproof way to get that achievement written down at home, but if you didn't build your relationships properly with the squad throughout the game...well, i see another playthourgh in your future if you really want that achievement.
message me if you want that info and i'll hook it up (i;ve done it 3 times on two consoles so i know it works).
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[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1361325055' post='1362632']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Any tips for the newb before he begins his second round?[/i][/font]
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[quote name='monkeycatt' timestamp='1361328198' post='1362684']
if you didn't do the loyalty quest for each person and talk to the squadmates often between missions (to build the relationship), then they're pretty much guaranteed to die. i have the exact, foolproof way to get that achievement written down at home, but if you didn't build your relationships properly with the squad throughout the game...well, i see another playthourgh in your future if you really want that achievement.
message me if you want that info and i'll hook it up (i;ve done it 3 times on two consoles so i know it works).
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Yup. You HAVE to do all the loyalty side missions. Your choices seem alright (I had Mordin lead the doctor back to the ship) but it will inevitably fail without the loyalty missions.
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[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1361325055' post='1362632']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Since we have so many ME vets, newb needing assistance.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Just finished playing through ME2 for the first time. Earthborn, War Hero, Soldier, Paragon. I tried my damnedest to get the "No One Left Behind" trophy; wound up losing Zaeed, Thane & Mordin. I believe I have all the upgrades to the ship. I believe I have all the armor and weapons upgrades available. I've done all the loyalty missions. I've done every side mission available to me. Even went to each system to check for anomalies.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Once through the relay:[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Garrus to be in charge of the second squad.[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Tali & Jack to be in my squad.[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Thane to infiltrate the ventilation ducts.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Result: Thane died. Yeoman Chambers died.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Then...[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Legion to escort Dr. Chakawas back to the ship.[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Zaeed to lead the second squad.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Result: Legion & Chakawas live. Zaeed died.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Finally...[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Grunt & Jacob to be in my squad to face the final boss.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Result: Mordin died.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Any tips for the newb before he begins his second round?[/i][/font]
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Send Tali into the ducts. They mention something about having an engineering background for this, she's the strongest engineer in the group. Thane's an assassin, he probably wouldn't make it even if you've done all the loyalty missions. I believe Mordin is one of the weakest in combat, I sent him to escort Chakwas (sp) back to the ship. I had a flow chart somewhere that explained all of this. If I can find it, I'll let you know.
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[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1361325055' post='1362632']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Since we have so many ME vets, newb needing assistance.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Just finished playing through ME2 for the first time. Earthborn, War Hero, Soldier, Paragon. I tried my damnedest to get the "No One Left Behind" trophy; wound up losing Zaeed, Thane & Mordin. I believe I have all the upgrades to the ship. I believe I have all the armor and weapons upgrades available. I've done all the loyalty missions. I've done every side mission available to me. Even went to each system to check for anomalies.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Once through the relay:[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Garrus to be in charge of the second squad.[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Tali & Jack to be in my squad.[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Thane to infiltrate the ventilation ducts.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Result: Thane died. Yeoman Chambers died.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Then...[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Legion to escort Dr. Chakawas back to the ship.[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Zaeed to lead the second squad.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Result: Legion & Chakawas live. Zaeed died.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Finally...[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I chose Grunt & Jacob to be in my squad to face the final boss.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Result: Mordin died.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Any tips for the newb before he begins his second round?[/i][/font]
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Happy to help. I remember reading a thread online somewhere not long after I beat ME2 that states that each squad member has something like a "defense threshold" or "defense quotient" or some such thing, with Jack, Kasumi, Mordin, and Tali I believe having the lowest number in this regard. So when you go to fight the final boss after regrouping with your squad after going through the seeker swarms, you need to leave higher "defense" squad members behind to hold the line. It is sort of a silly mechanic but it makes sense who would have the highest defense numbers. The pure soldiers like Grunt, Zaeed, Garrus, Jacob, Legion, Samara are best left to hold the line while you bring two of your "weaker defenders" with you (I think I brought Tali and Jack with me) to fight the final boss.

As far as the selecting of the right squadmates for the specific tasks leading up to this, just note your squadmates specialties and personalities. Garrus is always great for the second squad leader both times you choose one as he led his own squad on mercs on Omega, I believe Miranda as a Cerberus "officer" works as well if I remember that thread correctly. Tech specialist, its obvious that Tali or Legion (as a bot himself) are the best choices here, Kasumi the master thief and her hacking abilities work as well. When choosing the character with the strongest biotics to get through the seeker swarm, it made sense to me to pick Samara and her hundreds of years of experience over Miranda's overly high impression of herself. I chose Mordin to escort the crew back because I figured as an older scientist (albeit with some military background) he is probably one of the weaker "fighters" if you will.

So in conclusion, I used these combinations and had zero casualties...
Alternate Squad Leader: Garrus/Miranda
Tech Specialist: Tali/Legion/Kasumi
Biotic Specialist: Samara
Crew Escort: Mordin though I suppose Tali/Jack/Kasumi would work ok too
Final fight squadmates: Tali/Jack/Kasumi/Mordin if you don't send him escort

If you bought the upgraded ship armor, shields, and cannon as well as doing all of the loyalty missions as you said you did, you should have no problems Panda.

EDIT: here's the link to a thread I just found that goes into extreme detail if you need it...

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/5855452/1
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]+1s for everybody! Thanks for the help, seriously.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I know where I messed up now, other than my selections; after I acquired the IFF and the relay opened up, I spent a lot of time checking stores, doing side missions, etc. to make sure I had all of the upgrades possible.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]So, according to this, it says if you do a single mission, half the crew dies... does this include doing Legion's loyalty mission as well?[/i][/font]
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Funny how there were times that an announcement like that would have me all giddy. The ending of ME3 killed that for me. Don't get me wrong, right up until the last 10 minutes it was one of the most epic games I had ever played. I was bracing myself for the awesomeness of the ending .. expecting to feel that utter incredible elation I felt at the end of ME2 ... that pounding track ... the evil voiceover and then that supremely silent moment of the leap ... oh man, that was EPIC. I expected the same and more from ME3 ... oh well.


I haven't given up on Bioware yet, they still have more for DragonAge. ME, done with .. they don't get my piddly little dollars on that one. They fail with DA III and I'm calling it done for Bioware. Personally, I like the direction CD Projekt Red is going.
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[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1361405811' post='1363460']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]+1s for everybody! Thanks for the help, seriously.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I know where I messed up now, other than my selections; after I acquired the IFF and the relay opened up, I spent a lot of time checking stores, doing side missions, etc. to make sure I had all of the upgrades possible.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]So, according to this, it says if you do a single mission, half the crew dies... does this include doing Legion's loyalty mission as well?[/i][/font]
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The best disclaimer I can give that I discovered after my first playthrough is to complete as much side missions/loyalty missions as possible before going to the derelict Reaper.

I was able to do Legion's loyalty mission when you have to take the shuttle to your next destination as the IFF is installed. I laugh every time I watch 10+ squad mates and Shepard clambering aboard that shuttle. At least they had the foresight to make a cinematic to explain why NONE of your squad was on the Normandy when the Collectors abduct the rest of the crew. But then one has to assume that everyone except Shep, Legion, and a third squadmate are all cramped in that shuttle, uncomfortably passing the time as the other 3 infiltrate the geth base, haha.
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[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1361407467' post='1363486']
The best disclaimer I can give that I discovered after my first playthrough is to complete as much side missions/loyalty missions as possible before going to the derelict Reaper.

I was able to do Legion's loyalty mission when you have to take the shuttle to your next destination as the IFF is installed. I laugh every time I watch 10+ squad mates and Shepard clambering aboard that shuttle. At least they had the foresight to make a cinematic to explain why NONE of your squad was on the Normandy when the Collectors abduct the rest of the crew. But then one has to assume that everyone except Shep, Legion, and a third squadmate are all cramped in that shuttle, uncomfortably passing the time as the other 3 infiltrate the geth base, haha.
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[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]Yeah, the same vehicle that has been shown countless other times only capable of carrying four passengers suddenly seats 12? *snickers*[/font][/i]

[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]Nice sig image by the way. Didn't know what it was until I started playing ME, so... ;)[/font][/i]
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[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1361409101' post='1363538']


[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]Yeah, the same vehicle that has been shown countless other times only capable of carrying four passengers suddenly seats 12? *snickers*[/font][/i]

[i][font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif]Nice sig image by the way. Didn't know what it was until I started playing ME, so... ;)[/font][/i]
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Thanks man, it is just one of those Playstation trophies embeds but I set it to where the Mass Effect 2 logo is its constant background instead of the "most recent title played" background, heh. Hope all that helps you out. I've beaten ME3 a couple of times as well so if you need any tips once you get there, let me know I still pop it in every weekend to do the multiplayer weekend challenges, so the title is still definitely in my gaming rotation.
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