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Two Hot Seats Remain

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Two HOT SEATS REMAIN.

1. John Harbaugh. He took 2 years to make this decision. Jon too has shown a propensity for not managing time clock well.

2. Joe Flacco. He needs to develop and show his wares the remaining 3 games and the playoffs. He wants money and the Ravens need to know IF he can be our QB for the future. I looked at the pay scales for the QBS for 2013. Joe's request would be good for $1-18 mil IF he was on the high end of his performance in consistent game production. This is not true what were the reason. So he as 4 games at least to show his ability. If he would take $12-14 I would have no issue. But if he still wants $16 plus with his game performance, I would franchise him and look at maybe a draft for qb.

Where is Ozzie in the move?


Off-season should be interesting.
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Unless Joe really outperforms himself, he is not worth the money he was asking. Now that Canm is fired, I am hoping he proves he is worth that much and more. Wouldn't that be nice?
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This is a deciding time to see if Flacco is at fault or if it really was a cam issue which i doubt. Right now joe has been shown the Ravens think he is the man. Now he needs to prove it. We cannot franchise him at any point without losing a few other players so he needs to step it up.
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If not Joe Flacco then who? Is there a QB in college we can get, or is there someone sitting on someone else's roster? It took us nearly 12 years to find a young QB with Flacco's talent. The result is 4 years of playoffs and near misses.
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Harbs has lead this team to 2 AFC Championship games, and the playoffs every season since arriving, and what looks like to continue that trend as well. A winning record for what? 5 straight seasons? I can't see Harbs being on the hot seat for a winning record.
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[quote name='Fang' timestamp='1355258413' post='1258265']
If not Joe Flacco then who? Is there a QB in college we can get, or is there someone sitting on someone else's roster? It took us nearly 12 years to find a young QB with Flacco's talent. The result is 4 years of playoffs and near misses.
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we also shouldve canned kyle boller after his 1st year, but we didnt. Forcing ourselves to pay a player that is not worth his value and getting rid of key players will be a disaster.
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[quote name='edsopafan' timestamp='1355249127' post='1258072']
Two HOT SEATS REMAIN.

1. John Harbaugh. He took 2 years to make this decision. Jon too has shown a propensity for not managing time clock well.
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I highly doubt we'd fire a coach who led us to soon-to-be five straight playoff appearances for something as miniscule as clock management, which I actually think he does pretty well.
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Cam Cameron was gone beginning of last year but they elected to keep him due to the lock out.

And if not Flacco...who? It's not as if we were a qb factory prior to Joe.
Sometimes I honestly wonder if the people in here actually watched the Ravens prior to 2008.

*Perhaps fond memories of Billick and Boller?????
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Dean Pees won't be here next year but it's not all his fault, Also there is no way we get rid of flacco!
Flacco is a good quarterback but is really inconsistant but has the chance to be great.
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[quote name='Fang' timestamp='1355258413' post='1258265']
[b]If not Joe Flacco then who?[/b] Is there a QB in college we can get, or is there someone sitting on someone else's roster? It took us nearly 12 years to find a young QB with Flacco's talent. The result is 4 years of playoffs and near misses.
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Lol you'll realize quick that it doesn't matter who we replace Joe with, as long as Joe is here, some of these people won't be happy. We could bring Dilfer out of retirement, and people wouldn't care, as long as Joe's gone.
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[quote name='RavenzAllDay' timestamp='1355260554' post='1258305']
[b]Dean Pees won't be here next year but it's not all his fault[/b], Also there is no way we get rid of flacco!
Flacco is a good quarterback but is really inconsistant but has the chance to be great.
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Yes he will be. I highly doubt we fire him in the offseason. Remember, we kept Mattison around for 3 years. Not to mention, Pees can't help that we've been dealing with injuries over and over again.
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The Ravens have had to replace some big time names, JJ, Ray, Ngata, Suggs, Webb and Jimmy, either do to injury or FA at some point this season. No longer can people say Harbs, like Flacco is only winning because of a great defense, but this defense is far from it.

Harbs has lead this predominantly young team to what seems to be it's 2nd straight Divison crown, what could be the 3rd straight 12 win season and it's 5th straight playoff appearance. If his seat is hot, it's only because the heat at the Castle is broken and Harbs has a seat warmer.

Flacco? On the hot seat? What's wrong with some of you guys? Is he perfect, No, but he's a winner. The Ravens as a franchise hasn't had enough good QB play or overall success to be this spoiled to say that Flacco and Harbs should be replaced because they haven't won a Super Bowl.

Flacco led a championship caliber drive against the Redskins and should have put that game away. If that sounds familiar, it should because Flacco does it often. To say this guy is on the hot seat is crazy.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1355264830' post='1258412']
The Ravens have had to replace some big time names, JJ, Ray, Ngata, Suggs, Webb and Jimmy, either do to injury or FA at some point this season. No longer can people say Harbs, like Flacco is only winning because of a great defense, but this defense is far from it.

Harbs has lead this predominantly young team to what seems to be it's 2nd straight Divison crown, what could be the 3rd straight 12 win season and it's 5th straight playoff appearance. If his seat is hot, it's only because the heat at the Castle is broken and Harbs has a seat warmer.

Flacco? On the hot seat? What's wrong with some of you guys? Is he perfect, No, but he's a winner. The Ravens as a franchise hasn't had enough good QB play or overall success to be this spoiled to say that Flacco and Harbs should be replaced because they haven't won a Super Bowl.

Flacco led a championship caliber drive against the Redskins and should have put that game away. If that sounds familiar, it should because Flacco does it often. To say this guy is on the hot seat is crazy.
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After looking at Arnie's stats on Qb fumbles(a big complaint against Joe cause hes not throwing alot of picks) id say Joe is pretty damn good.
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[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1355261442' post='1258325']



Yes he will be. I highly doubt we fire him in the offseason. Remember, we kept Mattison around for 3 years. Not to mention, Pees can't help that we've been dealing with injuries over and over again.
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You're probably right, but like i said it's not all his fault . I wouldn't be against it completely, but there are better options out there.
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Raven nation is really so spoiled when it comes to winning. You've got people on here baying for Harbaugh's blood, meanwhile there are teams like the Steelers who, at a worse record than us, wouldn't bad mouth Lord Tomlin if they were paid to. I really want John to win the big one so everyone will just be quiet about his 'clock management'.
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Uh, no. Flacco is not on the hot seat. He is the QB and he's going to get paid unless he pulls whatever Ratliff pulled on Jones on Biscotti, and even then that's doubtful. Those who hate Flacco need to realize he's not going anywhere yet. I'm not some Flacco cheerleader. I will tell you what he does wrong, which is plenty. But I will not sit here and say he is on the hot seat. He's not.

Caldwell is on the hot seat, but not even by much. He's more auditioning for a higher job as opposed to losing a job. I like him better as interim and find a permanent solution and let him develop Flacco.

Perhaps Moeller. He could be on the hot seat.

But with all this hot seat talk let me ask: who would be better than what we have? There aren't a ton of options out there.
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I'd keep Flacco, I think he's great for us, obviously he's not the best, but everytime I think of Flacco, I reel those videos in my head of me watching that clean throw to lee evans last year, or to torrey smith at Pit's and so on, I guess I'm just a positive person because everyone makes mistakes, even the best, all the negativity towards him does not help.. Let's just see how he does the rest of the year(which shouldn't be judged much because of the sudden change) and then next year WITHOUT Cam
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[quote name='Latch' timestamp='1355272970' post='1258563']
Raven nation is really so spoiled when it comes to winning. You've got people on here baying for Harbaugh's blood, meanwhile there are teams like the Steelers who, at a worse record than us, wouldn't bad mouth Lord Tomlin if they were paid to. I really want John to win the big one so everyone will just be quiet about his 'clock management'.
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His clock management and challenge/timeout usage are probably some or the worse in the NFL. There is also the fact lord Lord Tomlin has 2 sb appearances and a win. Then the fact his team has injury issues similar to ours with less talent and still manages to beat us and perform better on a week to week basis. If Tomlin said to our team we're having a padded practice and they to mutiny he's suspending guys especially after a piss poor performance in a blow out loss. He also probably doesn't keep Cam around. Say what you want but hrs holds himself coaches and players accountable.
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The real hot seats:

1.Oher.Hes been getting abused over the past 2 or 3 games and was responsible for the 2 fumbles over the past 2.

2.Ed Reed.Hes in a contract year and hes been invisible and missing tackles this year.I almost thought we gave him the past few weeks off lol jk.If he wants a nice contract after the season is over hes going to have to show us hes not trending downward.
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[quote name='Fang' timestamp='1355258413' post='1258265']
If not Joe Flacco then who? Is there a QB in college we can get, or is there someone sitting on someone else's roster? It took us nearly 12 years to find a young QB with Flacco's talent. The result is 4 years of playoffs and near misses.
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Why dont more people know this ?
I mean its really, really, really, really, really obvious.

If you think Joe is getting cut you are out of your mind.
Joe might not get the contract he wants, but he is going to get a worthy contract. bet on it.
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let joe go and live with a matt moore next year. bomb the season with someone like him and hope, and i mean hope, that the 2014 qb class is good. sounds like a great strategy.

We will be paying this man no matter how he plays. some people can't deal with it !
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[quote name='Bravens292' timestamp='1355276926' post='1258629']
let joe go and live with a matt moore next year. bomb the season with someone like him and hope, and i mean hope, that the 2014 qb class is good. sounds like a great strategy.

We will be paying this man no matter how he plays. some people can't deal with it !
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Dude are you crazy??? You do NOT start Moore if you want a high or #1 pick. You start Painter.
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[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1355274476' post='1258593']


His clock management and challenge/timeout usage are probably some or the worse in the NFL. There is also the fact lord Lord Tomlin has 2 sb appearances and a win. Then the fact his team has injury issues similar to ours with less talent and still manages to beat us and perform better on a week to week basis. If Tomlin said to our team we're having a padded practice and they to mutiny he's suspending guys especially after a piss poor performance in a blow out loss. He also probably doesn't keep Cam around. Say what you want but hrs holds himself coaches and players accountable.
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How do the Steelers perform better on a week to week basis? They just had 8 turnovers in a lost to the Browns. They just got beat down at home against a team with a lame duck coach, who had to travel 2 time zones.

But more importantly. Tomlin got Tebowed in the playoffs. Maybe he should have unleashed Hell and the Steelers would have won.
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[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1355276090' post='1258622']


Why dont more people know this ?
I mean its really, really, really, really, really obvious.

If you think Joe is getting cut you are out of your mind.
Joe might not get the contract he wants, but he is going to get a worthy contract. bet on it.
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I think I accidentally attracted my old buddies down in Jacksonville and some EXTREME die hard raider and 69er fans who want him.... They are crossing their fingers
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[quote name='TT_05_Stang' timestamp='1355257936' post='1258255']
I would have thought Pees would be #1, and most of our OL...

I wonder if people even watch the game
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They watch it, unfortuantly alot of people just don't understand it.
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