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[News] Late For Work 12/11: Rumors Surrounding Cam Cameron's Dismissal

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Bisciotti's involvement? Long-time coming? Strained relationships? No-huddle disagreement?

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I don't like Kevin Cowherd. I see a move like this, and I see a team that is dissatisfied with the offense it has gotten out of it's coordinator. Tired of inconsistency and quarters-long stretches of nothing. A team that shouldn't be satisfied with taking a knee with two time outs.

It's certainly bold to fire Cam now. Maybe even questionable. But desperate? Come on.
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John said "We do a great job in this organization of communicating and talking, and we have great leadership here, all across the board......" That speaks volumes about the Ravens organization.
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How can anyone call Cameron's firing desperation? If you follow the Ravens at all you know that people have been talking about it for a long time. Cowherd should know this.
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I think it's certainly desperation, but the desperation was because we didn't fire him in any of the last two offseasons when we should have.

As I've said all along... we would never fire Cam when we are winning. It doesn't make sense to the outside public to fire an OC after losing in the AFC title game the year before, even though that's exactly what should have happened.

It's desperation because now we finally found the correct time. The offense has been sputtering of late, and Cam has never had a desire to bury a team when we had a lead.

Make no mistake, if we had won each of the last two games, we wouldn't have fired him. But we were given the excuse that we needed to do what we should have done long ago.
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people outside of baltimore don't know what we have had to put up with for 3 years, they think we are trying to blame cam cameron for the past 2 losses and that we are desperate but that isnt the case, this should have been done back when jim zorn was joes qb coach and it was obvious to anybody with a brain that jim was fired because cam cameron felt his job was in jeopardy, the timing of this firing was off though it should have been done after last weeks loss to pittsburgh with not giving rice the ball in the 4th quarter, it comes off as wrong to everyone else around the league because we fired him after a pretty decent outing against washington offense wise, regardless i am glad we are moving on
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Ron Jaworski is spot on in his assessment of a need for more creativity. Creativity will get receivers open. It was tough watching RGIII throw to wide open receivers, or Brady last night do the same and then see Flacco have to eat the ball because our guys can't get seperation; that or throw into double coverages - underneath and over the top. Its not always about hitting a home run on the deep route, its about hitting receivers in stride and YAC. I think Caldwell understands that. I also think he will game plan around his most talented players and test opposing defenses. Cameron seemed to shy away from that at times like versus the Steel Curtain two weeks ago. Heck, Pittsburgh didn't have to try and stop Ray Rice when Cameron was willing to do that for them!
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why does everyone insist we hire another offensive coordinator that has a losing record did we not learn a lesson after cameron. Phillip rivers used to be a very good qb.....ugh i think we needed a little shake up and the media will spin things they way they want to regardless if it has an ounce of truth. the biggest mistake anyone can make is thinking this team is done that is the furthest thing from the truth . as for a replacement lets find a good offensive minded coach who is hungry for an nfl position and watch what happens. and just say no to turner unless we want a second verse same as the first .
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Funny, all the Ravens fan knew Cameron should've been fired years ago. We knew all the problem between Cam and the team.
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No matter what the rumors or the truth may be, I do believe that most (If not all) support the decisions made by the Ravens management to release Cam Cameron.

Best of luck to Cam down the road.
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Getting Ray Rice more involved and going back to the no huddle. Wow, that is music to my ears. Hopefully better late than never, Go Ravens!!
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[quote name='jek81791' timestamp='1355237605' post='1257776']
people outside of baltimore don't know what we have had to put up with for 3 years, they think we are trying to blame cam cameron for the past 2 losses and that we are desperate but that isnt the case, this should have been done back when jim zorn was joes qb coach and it was obvious to anybody with a brain that jim was fired because cam cameron felt his job was in jeopardy the timing of this firing was off though it should have been done after last weeks loss to pittsburgh with not giving rice the ball in the 4th quarter, it comes off as wrong to everyone else around the league because we fired him after a pretty decent outing against washington offense wise, regardless i am glad we are moving on
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Perfectly stated brother.
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I think the move to get rid of Cam was a good one, and I'm not a Cam hater (although sometimes think he could have been better esp w adjustments.)

The #1 reason we got rid of Cam, is to get an accurate assessment of Flacco. I think letting go of Cameron is Ozzie saying "let's see what we have in Flacco, now we can see how he has progressed now that he's on his own before long term extension."
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I think the biggest issues with Cam was about timing, and identity. The first year he was here I believe was his best as a play caller, and having an identity. Yet ever since we have been under performing despite getting better talent all across the board. A lot of us tried to characterize all the Camism's for awhile as run/pass ratio issues. But the issue was more that it seemed we'd run when we should pass, and passed when we should run. It was also true in that we'd be conservative and aggressive at the wrong time. Lastly, it was lack of creativity, and flexibility in the game-planning. It has been the elephant in the room for quite some time now, and the second half meltdown on offense against the Skins was the last straw on the camels back.

Now it's time to move on. No more excuses. We gotta beat Denver this week, and nothing else matters for the Ravens!
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Cam had to go! Too bad we didn't let him go before the Pittsburgh game, 'cause it would have made a difference. The best thing that could happen going into the last 3 games and the playoffs. And make no mistake folks, the Ravens are still in this and will go AFC Championship round.

Why? Because all of our problems will be solved defensively, once the offense gets it's act together... period the end!

The offense's inability to move the ball at times, because of stupid play calling that everybody and their mothers were able to see coming before the Ravens ran the plays has been a problem for years. No creativity. No quick slant passes. Give the offense to Flacco! And Flaccster, a pump fake every now and then would help your cause considerably!

We WILL beat Denver. Payton Manning is not RG3. RG3 is the reason they were able to be so successful running the ball against our Defense, because of the option, and threat that kid would take off running -- it also freezes the linebackers from dropping back into pass coverage. With Denver, even though Payton's a fantastic QB, he's still a drop back passer, which we can handle, especially if the offense makes plays and keeps him off the field. And I still believe we own the Giants!

Finally, this Sunday, we will see our real offense take the field. The Rice/Pierce combo is too much for Denver to handle -- too much!
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Cam was not my favorite and I thought his play calling lacked the innovation of the really good pro offenses but it wasn't him that let the defense get old,he didn't neglect to sign our own free agents,he didn't draft Upshaw and it wasn't him that has no pass rush to get the ball back with good field position. Caldwell can't fix old age on defense or the youth beyond Yanda&Birk on a learning O-line he can only tweak what Ozzie has provided. This year marks the end of an era. We are rebuilding and we just might not make the playoffs in an epic disaster of losing 5 in a row. Canm needed to go but we needed a pass rusher more.
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I agree with about 80% of the article. I firmly disagree with Kevin Cowherd's "desperation and panic" assessment! Nothing could be further from the truth! The proper word is "frustration"!

Joe E-Lite and Rut-Roh have been frustrated for some time and Ben Grubbs clearly hated Cam so much so that he didn't even entertain a Raven's offer!

Harbs, ever the diplomat and delegator, coupled with the strike were the only thing standing in the way of this move being done! It probably took Steve B's "HEY, KNUCKLEHEAD" call to Harbs to get this done!

But, I am ecstatic by the decision to get rid of the broken CAM-shaft that stalled our Ravens from their Super Bowl destiny! Once we're healthy, Watch Out!

I'll bet the Offense is so happy he's gone that they may have a "sleep over" so that they can get an early start to practice!
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Caldwell is going to step in and be just fine. Its not like we did this in week 2. Caldwell has a good grasp of the offense at this point in the season and I'm sure he will throw in more creative plays. The main problem is picking up the blitz/ michael oher getting beat. The 2 strip sacks cost both games.
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I hope we can win out and patriots and denver can lose one more. Would not want to play Pitt in first round but it`s looking like that now. Hopefully we hold on and it`s Home if So bring it on.
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there's always more to these things then what is told to the press . I don't understand why they didn't allow caldwell to speak yesterday . a single perfectly worded statement no questions....
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There were times that I have blamed Cameron for everything wrong with the offense. Now, let's just hope we win 2 of 3 and the AFC North.
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If you are reading all the articles you might find something disturbing. Ray Rice and Joe Flacco are upset because they feel like they should be running more no huddle offense they had success with early in the year. However, defensive players were said to be complaining about Cameron and the offense FOR running a no huddle offense. The problem was when the no huddle wasn't working, it was a quick 3 and out and the Ravens had the worst Time of Possession ratio in the NFL. The Defense isn't that good and running them out on the field for 3/4 of the game was making them a very average very tired defense. I could not stand Cam Cameron and his offensive game plan, I've nearly thrown in the towel and given up because I hate watching them, literally hate watching that offense. So while I agree it was a great move and can't wait to see what anyone else will do, I'm just curious how things will be different with Caldwell. To me the issue is the guys on offense want to run the no huddle and the guys on defense cringe when the hear about us running it. Not sure how it all shakes out, but I can't wait to see a non Cam Cameron run offense this weekend!
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[quote name='ravenstonyd' timestamp='1355239204' post='1257810']
I hope we can win out and patriots and denver can lose one more. Would not want to play Pitt in first round but it`s looking like that now. Hopefully we hold on and it`s Home if So bring it on.
[/quote] i was trying to make a post but got so confused with scenarios that it made no sense so lets just win out . so what you said works too
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Seems like this was along time coming. Now as a relatively newcomer to the NFL (been only watching for the last 3 or 4 years) im not fully up to speed on the goings on within the organisation but it was clear to see that something wasnt quite right in our offense. When we would look like a top 5 offense one game (or even one quarter) and then look terrible the next something was wrong, hopefully this change and the return of Suggs and Ray Lewis can reignite the team!
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Harbaugh finally pulled the trigger on Cameron, now he needs to assess his receivers/tight-end coaches. That game after game they are not getting separation or improving on their route running is shameful. Cam was a huge reason we have been sputtering with his lackluster play calls, but the fact that Joe gets stripped in the pocket waiting on receivers to create space is just as problematic. Get that fixed too and we will be on the right path for closing out this year with the Lombardi!
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Im very happy about this move however can we please get younger guys in the mix like Doss,Jones,Williams..Other teams make a name of receivers you never heard of..Our team barely uses them
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All that matters is Cam is gone. I truly feel more excited about our offense going forward than I have in a long time.
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Boy would I like to be a fly on the wall at the castle right now...it would be interesting to hear the players true feelings regarding this move. I wonder if they're experiencing the same overwhelming "THANK GOD" feeling the fans are, or are some players upset about it. I'm sure if an interview was taken, they would give a very meat a potatoes professional type answer unfortunately.
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these next few drafts will be critical. defense needs a pass rusher, dt, s, mlb, olb and the offense needs a lt, c and a big receiver (dwayne bowe) or (tommy streeter) if he comes to camp ready to put in the work. im a flacco fan but we must sign a veteran qb or draft a qb in the 3rd or 4th rd. to push him. coaching staff must add juan castillo (o-line coach), jim zorn (qb coach) and i really hope caldwell works out but if not there will be plenty of guys to choose from. (norv turner, hue jackson, possibly jason garrett, ken whisenhunt or give a young assistant a chance as we did with harbs. go ravens!!
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I think the problem this year more than others is that we know our defense is not nearly what it should be. We have major injuries from the linebacking core all the way back through the secondary. BUT WE KNOW THIS. It's time to stop expecting a patchwork defense (for example, Ayanbadejo and Josh Bynes were our MLBs at the end of that Redskins game) to be holding teams to 14 points a game. It's not going to happen.

This year our offense wasn't able to hide behind the success of our defense. It was very rare in the last 3-4 years that our offense bailed out our defense, and not vice versa. This year, by about week 5, we knew that this team was going as far as the offense would take it. And yet, our playcalling suggested that Cameron still thought that the 2008 Ravens defense was back there behind him, so all he had to do was punt and hang on.

If there was ever a year to be more aggressive in the passing game and with the offense in general it was this one. And Cam did not do that.
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It's on Flacco now (Sandusky): [u][i][b]"Make no mistake, the pressure and opportunity now shifts to Joe Flacco."[/b][/i][/u]

^ that's it right there!

~Mili
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Here's my thoughts...
1. I think majority of this move was from Steve, probably a long time ago like after that AFC loss, but I believe Harbaugh probably put in a good word for his friend and let him stay, besides guys think back to last off season, who would the Ravens have possibly chosen to replace Cam? there were no good options.

2. I think Harbaugh had just seen enough this past week, he gave Cam way too many chances and he came up short, he's lack of use of Rice, he's inability to adjust offensively during the game. And not finding ways to use the talents Ozz has provided him.

3. I think that was partly why the Ravens hired Caldwell, first to make sure he'll get along with the QB and positively influence him which has happened, Caldwell fits Flacco, absolutely is down with the no-huddle and has a ton of experience with it.. yeah everyone is saying "oh he never called plays in the nfl" true, but what head coach do u know that isnt involved in the offensive game plan? and doesnt approve of all the offensive play calls? thats part of he's job... So yeah he might not be calling them, but he knows then, he knows what to do when to do it and how to do it.

4. What better time to do this than now?... we could clearly see Flacco out calls Cam when Flacco runs the no-huddle and he's calling he's own plays, and flacco just didnt like cam period, u could tell from body language, and how pissed off flacco walks off after yet another call... getting rid of Cam gives Flacco a moral boast that the Organization believes in him.

5. Its a high risk high reward move, If Flacco and Caldwell pull this next game off, imagine the boast of confidence this whole team would have, also its a "trial period for Caldwell, see if he is able to become the OC of the future by letting him run it till the rest of the season, that way if he doesn't work out, they can go shopping for OC during the offseason.

6. I just honestly think steve, Ozz, and Harbaugh and the rest of the organization were confident in Cam winning them the next three games, so why wait to be disappointed?...

anyways these are my views you are welcome to urs.
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Kevin Cowherd = Moron.

Ya, this ain't the Ravens we expected this year. But they are FAR from "desperate." I don't think you can EVER label the Baltimore Ravens as "desperate".

This was not some emotional, thoughtless decision. I'd be willing to bet that Cam was specifically told to get it right now, or you're gone.
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My personal opinion is that they wanted to give Jim Caldwell an opportunity to show us what he could do, and if it doesn't work out we can make a move on an OC in the offseason, possibly Norv Turner. I think it finally became obvious to the organization that this team was NOT going to win a super bowl this year with our team being the way it is, so a change had to be made to try to jump start a super bowl run.

Also this has been a loooooong time coming. It was certainly not a desperate knee jerk reaction.
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[quote name='fasteddie21012' timestamp='1355239720' post='1257818']
If you are reading all the articles you might find something disturbing. Ray Rice and Joe Flacco are upset because they feel like they should be running more no huddle offense they had success with early in the year. However, defensive players were said to be complaining about Cameron and the offense FOR running a no huddle offense. The problem was when the no huddle wasn't working, it was a quick 3 and out and the Ravens had the worst Time of Possession ratio in the NFL. The Defense isn't that good and running them out on the field for 3/4 of the game was making them a very average very tired defense. I could not stand Cam Cameron and his offensive game plan, I've nearly thrown in the towel and given up because I hate watching them, literally hate watching that offense. So while I agree it was a great move and can't wait to see what anyone else will do, I'm just curious how things will be different with Caldwell. To me the issue is the guys on offense want to run the no huddle and the guys on defense cringe when the hear about us running it. Not sure how it all shakes out, but I can't wait to see a non Cam Cameron run offense this weekend!
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If the offense converts then it's not a problem. Let's see how things shake out. The defese is in no position to make requests at this point.
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I think that after watching last nights game, we need to revamp our whole coaching staff. The way New England planned for Houston was great, why can't our coaching staff do the same?
I think we only see one way, we need more creativity , better planning. We are paying good money for tickets they need to put a better team on the field.
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Flacco reached ceiling with Cameron: It appeared that Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco had reached his ceiling under Cam Cameron. His development had flat-lined, which is a much bigger deal than Cameron forgetting about Ray Rice once every few weeks. It is a gutsy move by John Harbaugh, a loyal guy that stuck with Cameron despite a lot of criticism from fans and media. But it might just be what the Ravens needed to jar them out of their funk.

This is it. Flacco has potential to be great. But not under Cameron.
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Still doesnt make any sense how we can say its all on Joe now i mean we got rid of our oc and got a new one that hasn't called plays before. Theres going to be time needed to actually work that out its not a magic fix bean.
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Here is my input, Caldwell came in with the no huddle and influenced the offense this year. Joe loves the no huddle. However, Cam would constantly go away from the no huddle bc yes I believe he is a control freak, and I think having Caldwell influence his offense so much and letting Flacco control the offense in no huddle gave him less power.
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Its time for Flacco to step it up and produce. I still dont think Caldwell is the answer. I figured he would be the one to take over for Cam especially if Cam didnt produce off the chart numbers on offense, but I cant help but think that Caldwell was the cheapest option. The Ravens barely have any money so they had no choice but to give Caldwell the position. I think our defensive coordinator should be under the microscope also. I didnt really have much faith in him after he was given the position. Honestly I wish we still had Chuck Pagano. Even tho he is dealing with a major health problem with the leukemia, I think the players we have in the defensive locker room would've responded with playing with more passion on the field then they have for Pees. If i was Pees i wouldnt feel as though my job is secure. He let two back up quarter backs come back in the end of the game to beat us in what should've been two wins that could've had us at 11-2 n with the division clinched and the number 2 seed going into the home stretch of the season.
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Flacco's contract is on the hot seat, not his position with us but his ability to be better. Flacco's on a learning curve and to venture into the past I think the biggest mistake was not letting him backup Bulger for one year for an "outside the box" view. Now your cemented inside the box and have no choice but to show progression. Here's to a more productive offense... Let's get it.
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Now let's be clear here. I sure that Cam Cameron was shocked that Baltimore even gave him a job after such a horrible year with the Miami Dolphins. The only game that he won, was they're last game with the Ravens. He turns around and bring that same Miami play book with him here to Baltimore.

Then the Ravens turn around and hire Jim Zorn to coach Joe. Although the skin put Zorn in and imposible position. The Raven gave him a chance. All he did was take away from Joe what made Joe good in the first place. They made him stay in the pocket. Wrong thing to do.

If I recall correctly, Joe pitched the ball back to somebody, he ran out and they through the ball back to Joe. He caught it and made a touch down. That's when the wild-cat became the thing. Remember?

Both Cam Cameron and Jim Zorn should be down on their knees kissing Steve Bisciotti's feet for giving them a job!

Now as for a new defensive coach. It was Marvin Lewis that made us the best DF in football. Just ask Tony Siragusa and Mike Mccary along with Ray, who they would pick.

I can live with Rex. But do not go near Andy Reid. He's been through a lot. He needs to take some time off...
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got to hand it Harbs. My only real knock on him was that he was way too loyal. This move is bold and speaks volumes
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Quit speculating change was needed let the offense run wild. Rubs digs screen plays crossing routes no huddle and ray have more touches lets blow teams out cause our d is ok but not healthy this yr we need to help our defense out
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When we ran the no-huddle earlier in the season what did everyone say, give the ball to Rice, why is Leach not on the field. Pick your poison, the no-huddle has to figure out how to play Rice, Leach and Flacco's strengths combined.

Against the Bengals was light-outs also not much of Leach while Rice ran draws for big gains. Incorporate all 3 and there is no stopping us.
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