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After this Sunday, PLAYOFF picture emerges

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With the Patriots win over the Texans tonight, the only team that stands in their way on the rest of their schedule is the 49ers. They have 3 games left with 49ers, Jags, and Dolphins. With a Ravens' win on Sunday over the Broncos, and a 49er victory over the Patriots, that would still give us the opportunity for a #2 seed. [b]However, even if the Ravens win, the Patriots can simply win out their schedule and control the #2 seed.[/b]

We need to take care of business this Sunday and with a win -- we'd be AFC North Champs along with a home playoff game.

But this is my question to y'all. [b]IF[/b] the Patriots win on Sunday night against the 49ers, [b]do you rest your core players that have been injured throughout the season[/b] -- or at least really make sure their snaps are reduced dramatically so we're healthy going into the post season and perhaps lose a few games -- or [b]do you try to win every game and perhaps go into the post season banged up?[/b]

Personally, I'd be inclined to make sure that Suggs, Ray Lewis, Ngata, Arthur Jones, Ed Reed, Pollard, Marshall Yanda, Matt Birk and Boldin were as healthy as possible for a playoff run. So [b]I'd reduce their roles big time if the Pats win over the 49ers[/b]. Plus this is real game time experience for the younger players to see what they can do with the salary cap really affecting this team next year.

I would like to see what Gino Gradkowski can do now that he's got a 1/2 year of experience under his belt and see if he's ready to step up next year. Can Tandon Doss be that possession type receiver? How much help do we need in the offseason along our DL -- so let's take an extensive look at Hall and Tyson. I'd like to see how developed C. Brown and Asa are in real time coverage.

The bottom line is that we need to take care of business on Sunday. But if the Pats win, I'm inclined to rest our defense starters a reduced role against the Giants and Bengals to get them as healthy as possible for a real playoff run this year. As hard as it is -- I'd be telling Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs and Ngata (I realize these men would eat me for breakfast! LOL) for the sake of a Super Bowl run -- you'all need to accept a 20 snap role the next 2 weeks and get rested for our run at the Super Bowl! I'd rather go into the playoff picture losing a few games and being healthy on defense then trying to win out. This team has enough veteran leadership, and enough playoff experience, to win it this year! The problem seems to be -- are we healthy enough to win it?

[b]So what do you think?[/b]
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Good question. I'd rest em. Let everyone try to get as healthy as possible if the division is locked and start worrying about the post season.
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Ive never been a fan of resting players. You take the chance of showing up rusty and considering how inconsistent we have been i would think the more reps the better. But when you talk about players that are already injured, thats a case by case situation imo. I dont think suggs or ray should play until the post season, or just highly reduce their snaps.

Edit-I guess i could throw ed in there considering hes always hurt.
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Im not sure losing in epic proportion with 2nd stringers and putting a media circus on us 24/7 will do us any good.

History shows resting players has never done much to help teams win superbowl. The packers, colts, falcons all tried it. They all ate dirt.
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[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1355224233' post='1257640']
Im not sure losing in epic proportion with 2nd stringers and putting a media circus on us 24/7 will do us any good.

History shows resting players has never done much to help teams win superbowl. The packers, colts, falcons all tried it. They all ate dirt.
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Who says we'd lose in epic proportions? I wasn't suggesting a total sitting. But limiting snaps to key 3rd down situations in games for Suggs, Ray Lewis and Reed down the stretch won't hurt. Those teams you mentioned had bye weeks along with sitting the final game. So it was a 2 game rest for them. I'm not saying sitting them completely -- but putting them in prime situations to maximize the benefits of having our best team on the field while getting them healthy for a playoff run!
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If we have the AFC north locked up and winning more games would do nothing to advance us, then rest them. Let them heal, they need it. I would still have the offense play some just to get a chance to gell with whatever changes that Caldwell has planned.
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[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1355226237' post='1257645']
If we have the AFC north locked up and winning more games would do nothing to advance us, then rest them. Let them heal, they need it. I would still have the offense play some just to get a chance to gell with whatever changes that Caldwell has planned.
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I think the offense should play out with the exception of the lineman that could use the rest -- Birk and Yanda as well as limiting snaps for Boldin just to see how well Tandon Doss can play his position. I think Flacco should keep on playing to keep his rhythm going into the playoffs. Perhaps limit Rices touches to 10 or so if the hip pointer is a concern.
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If the Pats beat the 49ers and we have they and/or the Texans in our future, do you seriously think it even matters?
And I'm not looking for 'any given Sunday' rha-rha.
I mean both of those teams are at a completely different level than the Ravens.

Watching the Pats last night just made me scratch my head. THAT was an amazing display of offense against an excellent defense.
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[quote name='EricH' timestamp='1355228708' post='1257676']
Watching the Pats last night just made me scratch my head. THAT was an amazing display of offense against an excellent defense.
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True! But we did beat the Pats this year already! And we should have beat them last year.
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It seems to me, they have 3 teams in their way.. Miami plays NE tough. They could beat them.
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[quote name='EricH' timestamp='1355228708' post='1257676']
If the Pats beat the 49ers and we have they and/or the Texans in our future, do you seriously think it even matters?
And I'm not looking for 'any given Sunday' rha-rha.
I mean both of those teams are at a completely different level than the Ravens.

Watching the Pats last night just made me scratch my head. THAT was an amazing display of offense against an excellent defense.
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Was it really that amazing? The few prolific offenses the Texans have played... NE, GB, DET ... they lost 2 of them and it should have been all three... the Turkey Day Debacle was a gift. People seem to think Houston was unbeatable. Folks forget that they had extra motivation from a tough loss to GB, THEN a bye week, then they play the Ravens... We were in horrible position to win that game, especially on the road, with our newfound injury issues..
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I'm hoping the 49ers play them strong and we figure P. Manning out this year. That would give me some hope. ;)
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1355232316' post='1257711']
the Turkey Day Debacle was a gift.
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True :D
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We have not secured a playoff berth yet. The more games we win, the better our chances of securing a top seed. If by chance our records tie with New England's I believe we have the tie breaker.

We are better off winning out, carrying momentum into the playoffs.
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I didn't include the Denver game, because let's be honest.. the GOAT wasn't at full strength yet.
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Beating the Broncos with that hall of fame QB and that pass rush? I don't see it happening, we couldn't beat him when we were healthy
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1355232717' post='1257719']
Beating the Broncos with that hall of fame QB and that pass rush? I don't see it happening, we couldn't beat him when we were healthy
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That's what concerns me. It's going to be an ugly game. I think I might miss it too.
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when we beat denver and IF the patriots lose we should rest the defense . I think the more time the offense gets to play the better my only fear is flacco getting hurt then we are done before we even start.
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We will not beat the broncos we are too injured I don't see joe being able to keep up with peyton. and there's no way kapernick beats brady . we are going on the road this year for playoffs . eli and dalton we got .
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Win out! We need to put ourselves in the best position for the playoffs, and everyone would be jumping all over us if we basically folded when we won our division. I agree that the second string could use the reps, but that's not our top priority right now—our top priority is getting to New Orleans.
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1355232717' post='1257719']
Beating the Broncos with that hall of fame QB and that pass rush? I don't see it happening, we couldn't beat him when we were healthy
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Honestly, do you ever have a positive outlook?
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[quote name='wasabiebird' timestamp='1355234772' post='1257736']
We will not beat the broncos we are too injured I don't see joe being able to keep up with peyton. and there's no way kapernick beats brady . we are going on the road this year for playoffs . eli and dalton we got .
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Its settled then. Awesome, my sundays are FREE.
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Is the Patriots/Niners game in San Fran? Man, I'm going to pull for the Niners really hard, especially if we manage to beat the Broncos.
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[quote name='UMDan' timestamp='1355240082' post='1257827']
Is the Patriots/Niners game in San Fran? Man, I'm going to pull for the Niners really hard, especially if we manage to beat the Broncos.
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It's in Foxborough :(
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1355237087' post='1257767']


Honestly, do you ever have a positive outlook?
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No
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You never know that Houston might lose 2 more games which opens up #1 seed spot, so winning out for us is the best scenerio.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1355240749' post='1257839']
No
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I think he also said the PAts would beat us down too... I guess if you keep throwing turds against the wall...one day, they'll stick. I'm not saying we'll win, but Iam saying I wouldnt be surprised.
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[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1355241456' post='1257857']
You never know that Houston might lose 2 more games which opens up #1 seed spot, so winning out for us is the best scenerio.
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Houston would need to lose out and us win out. #2 is possible, #1 not so much.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1355242025' post='1257879']
Houston would need to lose out and us win out. #2 is possible, #1 not so much.
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plus patsies to lose one too... but it would certainly be very interesting to have 5 teams at 12-4... ravens, texans, patsies, broncos and colts
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1355242025' post='1257879']
Houston would need to lose out and us win out. #2 is possible, #1 not so much.
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yeah, forgot they have us tiebreaker....it's hard to see them lose out, but we need to take care of our business. We need a winning momentum into playoff, especially with a newly replaced OC....
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We need to win out . hall of famer qb or not if Joe wants to elevate his game best way to do that is beat the best and he has his chance . Playoffs we can hope that the patriots drop a game the more we win the better our chances are for seeding . its not so far fetched to think that the patriots could lose . one game at a time beat denver improve our chances then we will see .
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[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1355242161' post='1257883']
plus patsies to lose one too... but it would certainly be very interesting to have 5 teams at 12-4... ravens, texans, patsies, broncos and colts
[/quote] what happens if 5 teams tie ? has that ever happened? still learning playoff seeding etc ,,,,
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Unless the Ravens Offense makes a very dramatic turn around i do not see us going deep in the play offs. I hate to say it but we wagered to much on an offense and let the defense get less then mediocre. I think we were hoping that our offense could carry a game which it cannot and we sacrificed on the defense by building this offense. I think we need to step back, take a good long hard look at our situation in the off season and try some how to get our defense in order as it will win us games by limiting scores and making it attainable for Joe.

Friends he really cannot be a score for score QG for an entire season. We all know it and we need to try and revert back a bit to make our defense a more productive one and then the points will come by offense and defense and special teams. We cannot rely on this offense to carry us.
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I'm not a fan of resting the starters as a unit. If there are players that are playing through an injury and we sit where we sit no matter what, then yeah, rest those players. Resting the starters as a unit always seems to turn out to be a bad decision though.

I'm not so scared of Houston anymore. They seem to have peaked and now are not looking as good as they did just a mere 3 weeks ago.
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Colts are quietly having themselves a great year. Of course I think two of their last games are against Houston.
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So, if the Pats beat the Niners, you are just assuming that they beat the rest of the teams on their schedule? Is Any Given Sunday and with how good the Pats looked against the Texans, they can turn around and get beat by the Dolphins......... that's the type of league we live in today. So don't gt caught up in the hype of the Patriots b/c I always remmber the Pats for dominating in the regular season but not so much in the playoffs (18-1, remember ).

We need to try to in out b/c you never know what could possibly happen and you always want to ride a winning streak going into the postseason.
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I would consider reducing snaps but not deactivating. That's foolish. Lewis is probably already rusty. He needs to warm up for the postseason.

We can still get #2. It's risky to give up after the 49ers. Miami & the Jaguars could beat them. It happens every year. Some team nobody expected to win does.
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1355237087' post='1257767']
Honestly, do you ever have a positive outlook?
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Yeah I do, I'm just being realistic. Too many people on here rock their purple shades. I'm not saying we are a bad team, but we are an injured team going up against a QB we haven't beat in the last 10+ years.

My positive outlook is that after this season, we will trim the fat and start rebuilding our defense and offensive line.

Sorry if you can't handle that.
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1355241671' post='1257869']
I think he also said the PAts would beat us down too... I guess if you keep throwing turds against the wall...one day, they'll stick. I'm not saying we'll win, but Iam saying I wouldnt be surprised.
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Sure like talking about me lol

We played well against the Pats. They are also on like a 7 game winning streak, they've turned around and everyone says we don't look like a 9-4 team, even the players say that.

If you don't like what I say, hit ignore. Because I know I've never taken anything you've said about this team seriously.
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1355278765' post='1258680']


Sure like talking about me lol

We played well against the Pats. They are also on like a 7 game winning streak, they've turned around and everyone says we don't look like a 9-4 team, even the players say that.

If you don't like what I say, hit ignore. Because I know I've never taken anything you've said about this team seriously.
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Most everyone here sees you as a "gray cloud" . If you're not taking what I say seriously , you're not taking this team seriously. I just like picking apart your garbage posts. I always enjoy proving people wrong, this goes back to our QB debate. Once again, you were schooled there too.
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1355279026' post='1258688']
Most everyone here sees you as a "gray cloud" . If you're not taking what I say seriously , you're not taking this team seriously. I just like picking apart your garbage posts. I always enjoy proving people wrong, this goes back to our QB debate. Once again, you were schooled there too.
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How was I schooled there? Has Joe Flacco had a great season? Gray Cloud? No I just know that we are a team that struggles with adjustments on and off the field.

With Cam out, I don't see immediate change. It's going to be the same playbook but ran by Caldwell. I think he will be a find interim coach but this team doesn't have the personnel right now to make a serious run in the playoffs. Too many injuries and inexperience.

Garbage posts? Ok, internet tough guy.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1355264592' post='1258404']
Colts are quietly having themselves a great year. Of course I think two of their last games are against Houston.
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Some how, some way they've had great cohesion as a unit. I think that Pags misfortunes have brought them together. They're rallying around Bruce/Chuck and they believe in themselves . I watched the post game locker room video and it was a nice moment. They're loose, and hungry. They win games by playing as a team. The offense or defense isn't very good. Luck has nearly 20 ints, and the running game is pretty pedestrian .. but they get it done. A great story actually, and I catch myself pulling for them.... and that's WEIRD. lol
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1355279251' post='1258691']


How was I schooled there? Has Joe Flacco had a great season? Gray Cloud? No I just know that we are a team that struggles with adjustments on and off the field.

With Cam out, I don't see immediate change. It's going to be the same playbook but ran by Caldwell. I think he will be a find interim coach but this team doesn't have the personnel right now to make a serious run in the playoffs. Too many injuries and inexperience.

Garbage posts? Ok, internet tough guy.
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What has anything I said , speak to being an "Internet tough guy"? You post garbage, I respond. It's not like I'm threatening you or trying to fight you. You're just using a tired "deflection line" to act like Im trying to intimidate you...
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1355279590' post='1258703']


What has anything I said , speak to being an "Internet tough guy"? You post garbage, I respond. It's not like I'm threatening you or trying to fight you. You're just using a tired "deflection line" to act like Im trying to intimidate you...
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I don't put garbage posts up, I give details to why I think a certain way. I've never started a fire this person or cut someone thread, if you don't like my opinions . Don't respond and don't go around slandering me like a coward.

I'll put you on ignore, I suggest you do the same so my " garbage" doesn't pop up
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1355279590' post='1258703']


What has anything I said , speak to being an "Internet tough guy"? You post garbage, I respond. It's not like I'm threatening you or trying to fight you. You're just using a tired "deflection line" to act like Im trying to intimidate you...
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I'm not a modeator but let's not derail a topic with personal issues.

Anyway, it sucks we are in this position that we don't control our own destiny. Patriots can still lose, but we need help to get a bye now.
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1355279251' post='1258691']
How was I schooled there? Has Joe Flacco had a great season? Gray Cloud? No I just know that we are a team that struggles with adjustments on and off the field.

With Cam out, I don't see immediate change. It's going to be the same playbook but ran by Caldwell. I think he will be a find interim coach but this team doesn't have the personnel right now to make a serious run in the playoffs. Too many injuries and inexperience.

Garbage posts? Ok, internet tough guy.
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The issue with Cam wasn't just playbook. How on earth did you forget his biggest problem: situational playcalling?
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1355279806' post='1258709']


I don't put garbage posts up, I give details to why I think a certain way. I've never started a fire this person or cut someone thread, if you don't like my opinions . Don't respond and don't go around slandering me like a coward.

I'll put you on ignore, I suggest you do the same so my " garbage" doesn't pop up
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Slandering is spoken word... and there's nothing cowardly , I didn't pull any punches. I don't ignore people, I like laughing. This is a message board, difference of opinion is what makes it work... I just happen to be superior to you, it's nothing personal... Just the way it is.
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I think everyone's time comes to an end, the same as long winning streaks and loosing streaks. Manning has torched us many times... and has also had games of only FGs and still ended up getting a victory. Also, the Broncos have had a VERY hard time beating the Ravens : D
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1355279964' post='1258713']


The issue with Cam wasn't just playbook. How on earth did you forget his biggest problem: situational playcalling?
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Exactly, situational play-calling and the lack of any sort of creativity in a route tree.. talk about BAY SICK. : D
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