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[Ravens<3]

Simple. What should be the main focus for us going into the draft? I didn't list both because obviously the question is main focus.

We're going to draft offensive & defensive players, and probably use the same BPA philosophy, but what side of the ball should we lean on drafting more of/earlier?

I say defense. Who knows how our offense can look next year now that we no longer have Cameron calling the shots. I truely believe we'll be a lot better. Our offensive line is still a MAJOR concern, and should be priority #1 but this years draft is deep in OL, and we could probably get a good one at round 2.

Heres what we've done in recent drafts. (not including undrafted free agent signings)

2012-
Upshaw
K.O.
Pierce
Gino
Thompson
Asa
Streeter
Tyson

(4 Offensive players, 4 defensive)

2011-
J. Smith
T. Smith
Reid
Doss
Brown
McPhee
Taylor
Allen
(5 Offensive players, 3 defensive players)

So in the last couple years we've kept it pretty balanced.

With our defense looking horrible, while possibly losing Ray,Reed & Kruger and our offense having potentially a boost of upside with Cam being gone, player development I think our main focus should be on Defense.

What say yous?

Positions of need in importance (IMO):
LT,DT,DE,C,MLB,FS,OLB,WR (Assuming K.O. plays RT, RG, or maybe even LG[if he can])


Still really early, but here's my first mock draft for 2013 (predicting a 3rd,5th and 7th for the loss of FAs last year).


Round 1. (trade pick for a early 2nd and 4th)

Round 2. Nico Johnson (ILB , Alabama)

Round 2. Brian Winters (LT, Kent State) - (Trade up, trade original 4th round pick and 7th)

Round 3. Baccari Rambo (FS, Georgia)

Round 3. Denard Robinson (WR, Michigan) -yes!

Round 4. William Ghoston (DE, Michigan St.) (Convert him into 3-4 DE, -hopefully)

Round 5. Devin Taylor (DE, South Carolina)

Round 5. Braxton Cave (C, Notre Dame)

Round 6. Matt Furstenburg (TE, Maryland)

Round 7. Alex Hurst (OT, LSU)


I'll add details to it later, let me know what you think. I only put like 5 mins of scouting in for each player besides Robinson, Fustenburg & Rambo since I've already seem each play, and I'm low on time at the moment. Plus it was only my first mock which is way early to begin with.

[Miami Hurricane]

Never heard of winters but nico is not a second round player. Switch Gholston and Denard but I like it other than that.

Edited by Miami Hurricane, 10 December 2012 - 07:44 PM.

[gabefergy]

I think we need to go defense first 3 rounds. ILB is a necessity as well as a versatile DT. I think we can then take a safety in the 3rd, maybe trade up if necessary. The only position I would address in offense is TE and maybe a late round OL project. We started a rookie OT this year with mixed results. I'm not a huge fan of Oher, but if he is going to be replaced at LT I think it needs to be a FA with NFL experience.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Lean defensive, but consider offensive. IF there is a Terrance Williams, or a Tyler Eifert then go for them

[Ravens<3]

Never heard of winters but nico is not a second round player. Switch Gholston and Denard but I like it other than that.

You think Nicos a first then?

[Miami Hurricane]

You think Nicos a first then?

No I think he's a third

[GrimCoconut]

Simple. What should be the main focus for us going into the draft? I didn't list both because obviously the question is main focus.

We're going to draft offensive & defensive players, and probably use the same BPA philosophy, but what side of the ball should we lean on drafting more of/earlier?

I say defense. Who knows how our offense can look next year now that we no longer have Cameron calling the shots. I truely believe we'll be a lot better. Our offensive line is still a MAJOR concern, and should be priority #1 but this years draft is deep in OL, and we could probably get a good one at round 2.

Heres what we've done in recent drafts. (not including undrafted free agent signings)

2012-
Upshaw
K.O.
Pierce
Gino
Thompson
Asa
Streeter
Tyson

(4 Offensive players, 4 defensive)

2011-
J. Smith
T. Smith
Reid
Doss
Brown
McPhee
Taylor
Allen
(5 Offensive players, 3 defensive players)

So in the last couple years we've kept it pretty balanced.

With our defense looking horrible, while possibly losing Ray,Reed & Kruger and our offense having potentially a boost of upside with Cam being gone, player development I think our main focus should be on Defense.

What say yous?

Positions of need in importance (IMO):
LT,DT,DE,C,MLB,FS,OLB,WR (Assuming K.O. plays RT, RG, or maybe even LG[if he can])


Still really early, but here's my first mock draft for 2013 (predicting a 3rd,5th and 7th for the loss of FAs last year).


Round 1. (trade pick for a early 2nd and 4th)

Round 2. Nico Johnson (ILB , Alabama)

Round 2. Brian Winters (LT, Kent State) - (Trade up, trade original 4th round pick and 7th)

Round 3. Baccari Rambo (FS, Georgia)

Round 3. Denard Robinson (WR, Michigan) -yes!

Round 4. William Ghoston (DE, Michigan St.) (Convert him into 3-4 DE, -hopefully)

Round 5. Devin Taylor (DE, South Carolina)

Round 5. Braxton Cave (C, Notre Dame)

Round 6. Matt Furstenburg (TE, Maryland)

Round 7. Alex Hurst (OT, LSU)


I'll add details to it later, let me know what you think. I only put like 5 mins of scouting in for each player besides Robinson, Fustenburg & Rambo since I've already seem each play, and I'm low on time at the moment. Plus it was only my first mock which is way early to begin with.

I will break this up into early needs, late needs, and mid needs to signify their draft status importance.

Early needs: DE or NT, ILB, S, OT.
Mid needs: S, NT or DE, ILB, rush OLB, TE.
Late needs: OT, G, TE, rush OLB, DE, NT, CB.

I think we can find a good S in rounds 1-4. Round 4 will be where most safeties go, though. I think we need either a DE or a NT early, no latter than round 4. ILB should be high, 1st or 2nd round. OT should be early in rounds 2 or 3 due to drop off in talent. We don't really need a C, we need to see Gino. We need a tackle to stabilize the line.

We can take a project rush LB, or a safety at round 4. Possibly take a CB who can play safety, but that may be too early. ILB should be done before the 3rd day. TE would be wise considering both TEs are RFAs and only one may be re-signed.

I don't see C as a big need. I personally prefer drafting a tackle and moving Oher to LG with KO at RT & Yanda at RG & Gradkowski at C. I love Aboushi as our LT, and we could always put him at LG if he fails at LT, which I doubt.

We need an athletic LB who can stop these TEs and who can stop the run. Of course Te'o, Mosley, Minter, Ogletree Jackson and I've heard a lot about Brown but haven't seen him yet would be nice additions to our team. I am concerned with Ogletree at the next level, and wonder if he can be an NFL ILB. He looks a little small to me.

Edited by GrimCoconut, 10 December 2012 - 08:33 PM.

[display name]

Simple. What should be the main focus for us going into the draft? I didn't list both because obviously the question is main focus.

We're going to draft offensive & defensive players, and probably use the same BPA philosophy, but what side of the ball should we lean on drafting more of/earlier?

I say defense. Who knows how our offense can look next year now that we no longer have Cameron calling the shots. I truely believe we'll be a lot better. Our offensive line is still a MAJOR concern, and should be priority #1 but this years draft is deep in OL, and we could probably get a good one at round 2.

Heres what we've done in recent drafts. (not including undrafted free agent signings)

2012-
Upshaw
K.O.
Pierce
Gino
Thompson
Asa
Streeter
Tyson

(4 Offensive players, 4 defensive)

2011-
J. Smith
T. Smith
Reid
Doss
Brown
McPhee
Taylor
Allen
(5 Offensive players, 3 defensive players)

So in the last couple years we've kept it pretty balanced.

With our defense looking horrible, while possibly losing Ray,Reed & Kruger and our offense having potentially a boost of upside with Cam being gone, player development I think our main focus should be on Defense.

What say yous?

Positions of need in importance (IMO):
LT,DT,DE,C,MLB,FS,OLB,WR (Assuming K.O. plays RT, RG, or maybe even LG[if he can])


Still really early, but here's my first mock draft for 2013 (predicting a 3rd,5th and 7th for the loss of FAs last year).


Round 1. (trade pick for a early 2nd and 4th)

Round 2. Nico Johnson (ILB , Alabama)

Round 2. Brian Winters (LT, Kent State) - (Trade up, trade original 4th round pick and 7th)

Round 3. Baccari Rambo (FS, Georgia)

Round 3. Denard Robinson (WR, Michigan) -yes!

Round 4. William Ghoston (DE, Michigan St.) (Convert him into 3-4 DE, -hopefully)

Round 5. Devin Taylor (DE, South Carolina)

Round 5. Braxton Cave (C, Notre Dame)

Round 6. Matt Furstenburg (TE, Maryland)

Round 7. Alex Hurst (OT, LSU)


I'll add details to it later, let me know what you think. I only put like 5 mins of scouting in for each player besides Robinson, Fustenburg & Rambo since I've already seem each play, and I'm low on time at the moment. Plus it was only my first mock which is way early to begin with.

Trading first round picks hasn't worked lately.
I say trade up. We need star defensive players. Our D is dreadful.
I want two first round picks, both spent on defense. And we'll get back to the old Ravens.

[Ravens<3]

No I think he's a third

Everywhere I've looked he's been either a 1st or 2nd. I have a feeling he has good combine, he's rated the #2 MLB in the draft. I have another feeling it will be like a Upshaw situation again.

[Defence_Is_Salvation]

I will break this up into early needs, late needs, and mid needs to signify their draft status importance.

Early needs: DE or NT, ILB, S, OT.
Mid needs: S, NT or DE, ILB, rush OLB, TE.
Late needs: OT, G, TE, rush OLB, DE, NT, CB.

I think we can find a good S in rounds 1-4. Round 4 will be where most safeties go, though. I think we need either a DE or a NT early, no latter than round 4. ILB should be high, 1st or 2nd round. OT should be early in rounds 2 or 3 due to drop off in talent. We don't really need a C, we need to see Gino. We need a tackle to stabilize the line.

We can take a project rush LB, or a safety at round 4. Possibly take a CB who can play safety, but that may be too early. ILB should be done before the 3rd day. TE would be wise considering both TEs are RFAs and only one may be re-signed.

I don't see C as a big need. I personally prefer drafting a tackle and moving Oher to LG with KO at RT & Yanda at RG & Gradkowski at C. I love Aboushi as our LT, and we could always put him at LG if he fails at LT, which I doubt.

We need an athletic LB who can stop these TEs and who can stop the run. Of course Te'o, Mosley, Minter, Ogletree Jackson and I've heard a lot about Brown but haven't seen him yet would be nice additions to our team. I am concerned with Ogletree at the next level, and wonder if he can be an NFL ILB. He looks a little small to me.

I always like your feedback Grim. Ogletree concerns me also. I don't really wanna target an ILB in the first unless obviously if we can strike Teo. Minter, Jackson, Brown in either 2nd or 3rd would be sweet. I think since we're late third we need to draft a safety there, I like Lester and Rambo. Firsr round DL or OLB!

[Ravens<3]

Trading first round picks hasn't worked lately.
I say trade up. We need star defensive players. Our D is dreadful.
I want two first round picks, both spent on defense. And we'll get back to the old Ravens.

Maybe but we never evever do that. If we can get more picks for good value we'll take that all day for all the needs we have

[Ravens<3]

Center is a need to me because Birk will retire & we need some depth there because gradkowski is unproven as if now. So would be a rookie center and Gino would have a leg up on him but we need depth there.

[display name]

Maybe but we never evever do that. If we can get more picks for good value we'll take that all day for all the needs we have

Still most need to be on defense.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

We went from fielding a top defense to just looking flat out terrible this year. Now that can be partially because we lost Suggs, Webb, and Lewis but we were looking pretty sub-par before Webb and Lewis went down and Lewis and Reed have noticeably lost a step. It's time to retool and it's not like we don't have the talent on offense. Not to mention we don't know how Suggs and Webb will bounce back. We may need a piece or two on the o-line but really everything on the offense comes together depending on who takes over as coordinator and if Flacco takes that extra step.

We really need to add a stud on the D-Line or/and at LB to challenge Courtney and Kruger (if he returns).

[Miami Hurricane]

Everywhere I've looked he's been either a 1st or 2nd. I have a feeling he has good combine, he's rated the #2 MLB in the draft. I have another feeling it will be like a Upshaw situation again.

How is he ranked 2nd... Teo, Ogletree, Brown, possibly Jackson depending on personal opinion, and Mosley assuming you draft him as an inside backer are all better than Nico Johnson. Oh yeah and minter

Edited by Miami Hurricane, 10 December 2012 - 09:30 PM.

[Blackbird11]

I say DT in the first, linebacker in the second (I really like Arthur Brown), and either a safety or offensive linemen in the third. That's obviously subject to change, but we really need to refresh the defense.

[Ravens<3]

How is he ranked 2nd... Teo, Ogletree, Brown, possibly Jackson depending on personal opinion, and Mosley assuming you draft him as an inside backer are all better than Nico Johnson. Oh yeah and minter

Just what I've seen!

[Dubs]

From this year alone it has to be defense and there seems to be a ton of front seven talent that we should have a good shot at, but obviously depends on who is there.

With the firing of Cam Cameron does anyone else feel more comfortable about adding a WR to the offense in the draft - that is based on the assumption that you think Caldwell will better utilize WRs...or do you think we stick with more pressing needs?

[ravefan52]

My ideal situation NT and a pass rusher or ILB the first 2 rounds. Then a safety, ILB or pass rusher and a receiver. The rest is BPA.

[GrimCoconut]

From this year alone it has to be defense and there seems to be a ton of front seven talent that we should have a good shot at, but obviously depends on who is there.

With the firing of Cam Cameron does anyone else feel more comfortable about adding a WR to the offense in the draft - that is based on the assumption that you think Caldwell will better utilize WRs...or do you think we stick with more pressing needs?

I thought about drafting a WR. I don't think it's a necessarily bad idea, but I think we have a pretty good WR corps. right now. I honestly think it's in our best interest to pull a Bill and trade Boldin while we can get something for him rather than cutting him. I feel a WR corps with Smith (#1), Jones or Doss (#2 or #3), Streeter, Thompson & Reed is pretty good. If one falls to us, then why not. But I think it's a good idea to just see what we have. I think it's more valuable to beef up the OL to give the WRs we have more time to get open rather than trying to force another WR to get open in little time with an OL that just doesn't give a lot of time for WRs to get open. The bottom-line: I want a LT. Imagine moving Oher to LG, with a good LT like Aboushi (personal opinion here). If Aboushi goes down, slide Oher over rather than switch him from right to left, which is hard to do. Keep KO at RT. Yanda at RG. Gradkowski at center.

I always like your feedback Grim. Ogletree concerns me also. I don't really wanna target an ILB in the first unless obviously if we can strike Teo. Minter, Jackson, Brown in either 2nd or 3rd would be sweet. I think since we're late third we need to draft a safety there, I like Lester and Rambo. Firsr round DL or OLB!

Thanks, and I agree. I think Mosley is worth a first round pick, though. He's a pretty damn good LB in coverage. I think it's possible to get Te'o but unlikely due to the circumstances and I doubt we pull an Atlanta, and I don't want us to pull one, either. An ideal draft for me would be Te'o, Aboushi, Lester, & then Hill (DL from Penn State) in that order. It all depends on the talent left in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th rounds. I like Lester, Thomas (safety out of Fresno), Reid & Elam the most of all safeties in this draft. The combine can drastically change things, and a 2nd rounder may be a 1st, a 1st may be a 2nd rounder, a 6th might be a 3rd rounder, and a 3rd rounder might be a 4th. Who knows.

A realistic draft for me would be: Mosley (ILB) or Richardson (DE) in the 1st, Aboushi (LT) in the 2nd, Andrew Jackson (ILB) or Floyd (DE) or Lester (S) in the 3rd, or Hill (DE) or Thomas (S) in the 4th.

Center is a need to me because Birk will retire & we need some depth there because gradkowski is unproven as if now. So would be a rookie center and Gino would have a leg up on him but we need depth there.

I hear you. We should get one for depth, but this center class kinda smells like rotten eggs. I don't want to pull a trigger on one early. But if you're saying a decent prospect falls to the third day, then why not? I'd agree with that. I agree/hope Birk retires.