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Two sides to a firing

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Thank you to Cam, Missy, and their kids for all they've done for the greater Baltimore community. At the end of the day, the Ravens fired an OC, but a husband and father also lost his job. Millions or pennies, it doesn't matter what he made or how well off he'll still be afterwards. It doesn't even matter if its happened to him before. Coming from a kid of a coach who had been fired once, it stings, and so I just wish Missy Cameron and the kids well today. It's hard to say it's just business, but it really is.
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I'm sure Cam is a nice guy. So good luck to him in his next endeavor.

But he is a terrible coordinator. So I am glad to see him go.
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[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1355158849' post='1255573']
I'm sure Cam is a nice guy. So good luck to him in his next endeavor.

But he is a terrible coordinator. So I am glad to see him go.
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Ditto.
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When someone fails at their job, the deserve to be fired

When someone fails at their job for YEARS, and makes over a Million a year, you will get no sympathy for me

Go work a job 60 Hours a week making $12 an hour, and not perform, see how long you last.

Guy rode the gravy train untill the wheels came off.........He should be thanking god everyday it lasted as long as it did.
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Yes I know there is a personal side, and I do wish him and his family the best going forward. Let's not try to pretend here that they will now be destitute for the holidays however.
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[quote name='Ragin'Raven' timestamp='1355158406' post='1255526']
Thank you to Cam, Missy, and their kids for all they've done for the greater Baltimore community. At the end of the day, the Ravens fired an OC, but a husband and father also lost his job. Millions or pennies, it doesn't matter what he made or how well off he'll still be afterwards. It doesn't even matter if its happened to him before. Coming from a kid of a coach who had been fired once, it stings, and so I just wish Missy Cameron and the kids well today. It's hard to say it's just business, but it really is.
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Wow, did not look at it that way and should have as i am a dad and a husband. All of the sudden i feel bad for Cam. Thanks for bringin gthings back into perspective friend, ii know i needed and and probably a lot of others did as well. Well said.
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Thank you Cam for your tenure here at Baltimore.

OP: Cam is a person that WILL find a coaching job somewhere, if not in the NFL, definitely as a College coach.
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Honestly, I can thank him for making our run game feared but the passing game never had that effect. I will miss him in someways but we need someone who can fit Joe better. I wish him the best and I'm sure he will coach again. Thanks for the 3 headed monster and screen pass 2009
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The personal side is the tough side and that did hit me this morning. It is Christmas and a family did lose a job. While I believe this is a much needed move for the Ravens, I wish Cam and his family only the best. I pray he finds new work quickly and is highly sucessful in his new role.
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I wish the best for Cam and his family.

But the blue collar guy who scrapes by on $20/hour and has a wife and kids and loses his jobs need our compassion much more than Cam does,
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I'm a Seminoles fan, so I have seen this with Bowden getting forced into retirement and with his kid having to go to North Alabama.

Same with seeing Tommy Tuberville get fired at Auburn (that worked out, as he wound up coaching my second favorite team; Yet, I'm sure it was for less money and embarrassing to be fired).

The way I feel about it is that if you LOVE NFL coaching or you LOVE college coaching - and Cam probably loves both - you will learn to enjoy whatever you can get. Cam would be a good prospect for a college team that wants to run a pro-style offense with run-heavy personnel.

He has incredible connections, and may even join the Rams in the next few seasons.

Perhaps he was so caught up in executing his style and sticking with the plan and the nuances of the plan, that he'll come back a better coordinator if he is blessed with another shot.
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sure, Cam and his family will feel the sting of this for a bit but ultimately...they will be fine financially! but what about those who are unemployed and those making less than minimum wage? so thanks Cam! bye Cam!

~Mili
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Cam will be fine money wise. His contract money is still due to him, and I'm pretty sure we had just resigned him to 3 years at the beginning of this season.
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Cam Cameron should be asking why he gets fired now, he has been doing the same thing he has done for 5 years. The only real difference with the team was Dean Pees came in and tore the defense apart piece by peice. Even before injuries the defense was one of the worst in the league, and even with injuries if you are a good coach you can get something out of back up players, not play like they just did.
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[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1355159090' post='1255602']
Thank you Cam for your tenure here at Baltimore.

OP: Cam is a person that WILL find a coaching job somewhere, if not in the NFL, definitely as a College coach.
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or the CFL LOL. But i would hate to see him do damage to the great institution of the CFL.
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Surely he is a nice man - but we need a winner.
That is just the bottom line, he and Joe do not jive and the play calling has generally been horrible! embarrassing and predictable, about time for a change.

Let's make a play for the ultimate prize - the big silver trophy at the end of the tunnel.

Go Ravens.
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My intention was not to say that it's poor, poor, pitiful. And they will be completely well off financially, but human nature still says my dad (moreso kids than wives) isn't needed "here" anymore. That is what is sad. Just a thought that passed through my mind this morning. Even millionaires have families that feel the frustration of a firing, justified firing or not.
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[quote name='Ragin'Raven' timestamp='1355162399' post='1255887']
My intention was not to say that it's poor, poor, pitiful. And they will be completely well off financially, but human nature still says my dad (moreso kids than wives) isn't needed "here" anymore. That is what is sad. Just a thought that passed through my mind this morning. Even millionaires have families that feel the frustration of a firing, justified firing or not.
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Your intention is pure and perhaps some of us (myself included) might have reacted harshly but to be truthful, I'm really struggling this holiday season working 2 part-time jobs (all that are available around here). So please forgive me if I do not have a lot of sympathy to spare for Cam's hurt pride (which he will get over in due time) when financially he will be more than fine.
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[quote name='Ragin'Raven' timestamp='1355158406' post='1255526']
Thank you to Cam, Missy, and their kids for all they've done for the greater Baltimore community. At the end of the day, the Ravens fired an OC, but a husband and father also lost his job. Millions or pennies, it doesn't matter what he made or how well off he'll still be afterwards. It doesn't even matter if its happened to him before. Coming from a kid of a coach who had been fired once, it stings, and so I just wish Missy Cameron and the kids well today. It's hard to say it's just business, but it really is.
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For some reason I do not think they are going without, this Christmas at the Cameron household. Good riddance. I am not getting all sappy over a damn fool that made a ton of money being foolish. I do not feel sorry for him and I do not thank him for anything.
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1355159916' post='1255679']
I wish the best for Cam and his family.

But the blue collar guy who scrapes by on $20/hour and has a wife and kids and loses his jobs need our compassion much more than Cam does,
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$20/hour.. Scraping is like 10 n under
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[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355158994' post='1255590']
When someone fails at their job, the deserve to be fired

When someone fails at their job for YEARS, and makes over a Million a year, you will get no sympathy for me

Go work a job 60 Hours a week making $12 an hour, and not perform, see how long you last.

Guy rode the gravy train untill the wheels came off.........He should be thanking god everyday it lasted as long as it did.
[/quote] That is a 100% correct statement. Do not think he would have stayed this long with another team.
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I have no sympathy. This is like us working a job and tho boss says we want you stand up not sit. For 3 years you sit, occasionally standing cause maybe you want to stretch your legs but for the most part you don't listen. When you get fired can you really be surprised? Cam has coasted by on his friendship cause it sure hasn't been production. He's gone, GOOD. If he's smart he's at least been saving since the middle of 10 when his seat started to heat up. It not, that's on him.
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getting fired is apart of any form of employment...including the NFL. it happens and families move on! Cam and his family will do the same!

~Mili
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I do feel bad for Cam and his family and have prefaced all my happy comments with that, I wish him well in his future endeavors BUT it was not working here.
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Considering there are people out there who have two or more jobs and make way less than Cam, I'm sure he'll be fine. But considering he's probably killed like 3 people due to frustration, he wont get a whole lotta sympathy from me. I'm sure he a nice guy and all, but there are people out there who are actually suffering.
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[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1355168587' post='1256231']
$20/hour.. Scraping is like 10 n under
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$30/Hour , single, and you will be scraping to live if you live around DC/NY or anywhere with a high cost of living and consider things like a running vehicle and heat durring the winter a nessitiy.

That is unless you ride the gravy train and dont earn your own way.


But thats the no point of this thread.

Guy was a bad coach and got fired. You can only Blame Cam so much. The person you should be furious with is Harbaugh/Ozzie/Biscotti for allowing the mess to go on for the last 5 years. Either Harbs is a fool or inncompetent. In either Case Ozzie/Eric/Steve should have stepped in long ago.

They have costed this franchise championships and MONEY (are you listening steve, my fellow salisbury alum).
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[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1355169373' post='1256266']
There is no doubt Cameron will land another OC job in the NFL...But it wasn't workin here.
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Lets Pray its for the steelers or the patriots
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[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355158994' post='1255590']
When someone fails at their job, the deserve to be fired

When someone fails at their job for YEARS, and makes over a Million a year, you will get no sympathy for me

Go work a job 60 Hours a week making $12 an hour, and not perform, see how long you last.

Guy rode the gravy train untill the wheels came off.........He should be thanking god everyday it lasted as long as it did.
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This^^^
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