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No pride in backing into playoffs. Tale of two Flaccos. Too passive in final minute?

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Its frustrating, man, because its two backup guys that arent even starters coming in and making plays,Cary Williams told CSNBaltimore.com.

You're frustrating all of us Cary!!
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denver is a must win and I have no clue how that is going to happen. where will we get enough players healthy to manage that . they need to stop talking to cary williams the whole darn team runs hot and cold you make millions and you do this . very frustrating. and yay get to pray the texans dispatch the patriots.
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We can't close because we are a team that kneels before every half during a shootout or kneels there way into OT. No way would we go for two and be up 9 and worst case be up a TD, are you kidding???? That would be too agressive and we would seal the win way to early. We only like to save or trickery for when we are up by 21 late in the second half....right Oakland?? A team like Atlanta or NE atleast tries to gets some decent chunks of yards before going into the half or OT, especially when they have a time out or 2. If ZOD comes to this planet everyone in the "Castle" will be on their knees within 2 seconds.
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i dont know about everyone else but im getting sick of hearing Harb saying we have a problem and we going to fix it, and this 3rd time charm i dont know about that we have been to the playoff 4 times no charm yet, i understand half of our D is bang up then is time for our offense to step up and do for this defense what this defense is done for them for the last 10 years bail them out.
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its like watching a movie over and over again with the offence sometimes. same play calling. smh dont get me wrong we do look good for like 2 qtrs then its like that person that already watch the movie before you walks in the room and let you know exactly whats about to happen next smh. so what cam... are you waitting to show some other plays in the playoffs or what. flacco you where doing great, alot of ppl say well he's getting sack. ok i'll take a sack anyday then a int. but oher needs to go back to the right side. and mckennie needs to be on the left. put osem at what rt or lt gaurd and we got the offensive line for the playoffs. its rate there... super bowl. I wanna see more consi... you know what aint no point in complaining cause we going to see it again. and then ya'll must have been over confident when that rookie came in. well I hope it woke ya'll up.
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29 seconds with a timeout on the road you have to take at least one or two shot attempts to get into field goal range Washington had no timeouts so even if it didnt work we could kneel on 3rd down. And I know its easy to second guess our Overtime decision to take the ball and its the traditional thing to do to receive the ball but i would ve kicked to washington in overtime and played defense and made that rookie drive the team down the field again to get a touchdown instead of taking the ball. Flacco didnt really look confident when they announced we are getting the ball first
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If you don't want to back into the playoffs handle your business . lay off krugers shirt every game i watched with him in it he has worn it like that and now two years later it's an issue ? the bigger question is why is it being fined now .Tony dungy is an old man who needs to take a nap i mute him every chance i get he says one thing then when the team he picks loses he does a 360 makes no sense .
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At this point in the season we, the rational Ravens' fans, can draw a few conclusions about this team:
One-- Cam Cameron is not the man to call plays for this offense. How can he when he is so pathetically predictable. On the drive where Flacco threw the interception we could all see it coming. You run the ball on several consecutive plays successfully, why don't you then go play action in the red zone?!!! On second down they sell out to stop the run and they do, then force you into an obvious passing situation and you attempt to pass. Who does Cam call plays for, our offense or their defense?

Two-- These Ravens are probably making the playoffs but we really don't know if that is a good or a bad thing at this point. Unless this team would miraculously reach the Superbowl I don't see much gain in getting into the dance other than a notch on Harbaugh's belt that says, "I've been to the post season the past 5 seasons". It will delay our push for changes both in player personnel and on the coaching staff. However, the fan in me still wants this team to get into the post season especially if they win the AFC North along with it.

Three-- Between Flacco and the defense as it presently is, we need some realignment. If this defense is not going to be significantly retooled then we need Flacco (or whomever it is that lines up under center) to run a fearless high powered offense that uses some of the best offensive linemen in the league because henceforth the Ravens will be in a lot of high scoring games that would either be shootout wins or blowout losses (depending on which offense shows up for the Ravens, because this defense seems to be in its twilight). If the Ravens decide to keep Cameron, then they had better revamp the LB corps, bring in 2 reputable pass rushers that are adequate in run support, and draft a safety that has a real shot at replacing Ed Reed in the nearest future.

Okay I'm tired now... that game, and many of the wins actually, took quite a toll on me and my sanity. Stay tuned, the rest of the season will get REALLY interesting.
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We get comfortable with leads and start playing cautious football no matter how big the lead is. People get on Billicheck for running up the score but I commend him cause he knows that no lead is safe. Our O line is horrible and we our best O linemen (Yanda) got hurt on Sunday. Hopefully he will be good to go... With Dumervil and Von Miller coming up next... I am worried. We need to put Mckinnie back in there at LT and move Oher back to RT. Putting Mckinnie in is the one thing we have not tried yet this year.
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I don't want to call this an end-of-season collapse, but it sure has all the indications of one. I truly hope not, but I still say that last year was the best team we had in a long time (no disrespect to new players this season) we had very few injuries as well, and it still ended bad. I don't even see this team getting as far this year. Yeah, my hopes have dimmed considerably. And Kruger being fined is insane.
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We took a knee at the end of regulation because the coaching staff has no confidence in Joe "Panic" Flacco and they shouldn't!!!!!!
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yes, where in God's name was that (first half) Flacco, during the second half.....
I swear we are SO bi-polar we know longer know how to Win OR Finish with a lead....
My 'purple' Blood is *thinning*
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Taking a knee to get to overtime instead of attacking a week group of defensive backs and possibly getting in field goal range. Priceless!!! Another great call by Cam. Vanilla play will get you beat every time.
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Peyton will tear up the Ravens next week. Not looking to good. Flacco doesn't finich and he looks like he could care less to finish. He never seems passionate about the game and he'll have one good quarter and call it quits!
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Brendon, We ALL Love you... but for now, looks like there ain't gonna be MUCH chance of a (January?) or (February?) for us that bleed 'purple'
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[quote name='GregRaven' timestamp='1355153203' post='1255124']
Taking a knee to get to overtime instead of attacking a week group of defensive backs and possibly getting in field goal range. Priceless!!! Another great call by Cam. Vanilla play will get you beat every time.
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I would think that would be on the head coach
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The Offense needs to run more screens and slants. It was open all day yesterday in the second half because the Redskins sent 5 and 6 at Flacco. Also they were blitzing corners. Joe Flacco Football IQ needs to be corrected right now. Hopefully we can try Mckinnie this week and we really really really miss Ben Grubbs. The best pulling Guard we ever had!
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With the schedule we had a the injuries, we were bound to lose at least five or six games. This league is about parity and who gets hot at the end. Look, the Chargers were pitiful and came up with a great effort in Pittsburgh with Big Ben. The Ravens need us to yell and scream with support, no pain no gain. Let yourself be surprised..it's more fun. Pain and anguish...we've seen it before..it hurts!! We're not the Browns anymore.Stop whining(24 hour rule for fans too!)
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Knee or no knee, we got the ball back to start the second half and did nothing with it. The knee at the end of regulation? Well, we got the ball again to start overtime and did nothing with it... yet again. Problem? The offense and its play calling is simply not good enough to beat teams that want it worse than we do. And please please don't start on the defense; those guys got gassed in the second half when the offense could neither put points on the board nor avoid costly turnovers, thus yielding another time of possession battle.
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I demand some explanations:

1)Why the heck didn't Harbaugh go for two point conversion after the Raven's last TD?? Even if it would have failed, Raven's would have been up by 7 and Redskins (most likely) would not have tried 2-pt conversion of their own.

2)Why is McKinnie still on the bench while the O-line can't protect the pocket for Flacco. Raven's are obviously still struggling with Oher at LT and Harbaugh stubbornly refuses to try McKinnie at LT, who did an excellent job last year.

3)Why is Cam Cameron still OC?? His play calling was once again as vanilla and unimaginative as it can get. The reason for the successful first half was Rice's individual efforts and couple of nice throws on blown coverage by Flacco. In the second half Redskins defense adjusted, Cameron did not. Hence the lack of production in the second half. Good OC is supposed to adjust his schemes during the game based on what the defense is doing. Cameron has never, NOT ONCE done that. Why is this incompetent clown still on the sidelines, Harbs?!

4)Is Dean Pees really the kind of DC this team wants? Dean Pees does not deserve as talented defensive unit as the Ravens are. Backup QBs are tearing this defense apart for the second straight week. I think Pees is up in the booth behind Madden 13 and letting the video game choose those defensive plays. Last year we saw in one game as many exotic blitz plays as we've seen all this season. This is embarrassing.

And now, for the kicker:
5)As I read through all those previous questions, one most importantly poped into my head. All these problems (bad coaching, terrible O-line, incompetent OC and coward of a DC) have been lingering with this team for at least this whole season. All these problems could and SHOULD be solved by an elite head coach.
So this raises the question that is John Harbaugh actually the kind of great HC that we thought he was or was it actually very talented team and great defense that made Harbaugh look good?? Last chance to look into the mirror, Harbs, and prove us that you are the kind of man, leader and mostly, HC you have made us fans think you are!
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[quote name='roamingcharges' timestamp='1355152661' post='1255096']
At this point in the season we, the rational Ravens' fans, can draw a few conclusions about this team:
One-- Cam Cameron is not the man to call plays for this offense. How can he when he is so pathetically predictable. On the drive where Flacco threw the interception we could all see it coming. You run the ball on several consecutive plays successfully, why don't you then go play action in the red zone?!!! On second down they sell out to stop the run and they do, then force you into an obvious passing situation and you attempt to pass. Who does Cam call plays for, our offense or their defense?

Two-- These Ravens are probably making the playoffs but we really don't know if that is a good or a bad thing at this point. Unless this team would miraculously reach the Superbowl I don't see much gain in getting into the dance other than a notch on Harbaugh's belt that says, "I've been to the post season the past 5 seasons". It will delay our push for changes both in player personnel and on the coaching staff. However, the fan in me still wants this team to get into the post season especially if they win the AFC North along with it.

Three-- Between Flacco and the defense as it presently is, we need some realignment. If this defense is not going to be significantly retooled then we need Flacco (or whomever it is that lines up under center) to run a fearless high powered offense that uses some of the best offensive linemen in the league because henceforth the Ravens will be in a lot of high scoring games that would either be shootout wins or blowout losses (depending on which offense shows up for the Ravens, because this defense seems to be in its twilight). If the Ravens decide to keep Cameron, then they had better revamp the LB corps, bring in 2 reputable pass rushers that are adequate in run support, and draft a safety that has a real shot at replacing Ed Reed in the nearest future.

Okay I'm tired now... that game, and many of the wins actually, took quite a toll on me and my sanity. Stay tuned, the rest of the season will get REALLY interesting.
[/quote] Totally agree. As a fan, of course I want them to succeed. But something needs to change; and so-called "success" will, as you stated, "delay" this NECESSARY change.

The coaching is pathetic on both sides, and Flacco just doesn't have what it takes. I think leadership is the biggest problem here. Ray Lewis can only do so much. Other than Ray Lewis, who is the "leader"? Certainly not Flacco or the coaches.
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I agree. We need to get fired up and quit being so passive in our playcalling/gameplan. Giving up there in the first half was bad coaching. What message does it send to your players? Somebody needs to get fired up. Flacco needs to get fired up, too.
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Sarah, just a side question... If you think the quote of the day way Rice "not giving two craps" about what other teams do, then why is this site often full of news on the steelers? - often ones that are largely irrelevant to the Ravens?

I know it's not your decision or fault - just thought I'd ask...

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this may make folks feel better . pro football talk is reporting coaching changes for the ravens . [url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/10/report-changes-coming-to-ravens-coaching-staff/"]http://profootballta...coaching-staff/[/url]

win or lose I'm a fan .i am curious to see this play out .
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How many chances does a team have to have?!?!

I really thought that that comeback win against the Chargers was going to light a fire; but I was wrong. Instead, the opposite has happened. We got beat by mediocre teams who had backup QBs that beat us. And don't give me this "bad luck" crap. It ain't bad luck...it's bad football.

I had heard on Dan Patrick that "the Ravens are shaking things up with the coaching staff." But he didn't go into detail...it's a wait and see.

BUT I BET CAM IS STILL THE OC...freaking BRILLIANT!!!
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Im trying to understand something we gave our defense the ball with minutes to go in the 4th quater.All we needed was a stop. Redskins had an injured rg3 and later there 2nd string qb in and we were playing a vanilla defense. ? I dont get it.I'd rather play aggresive defense to force a quick pass than play conservative and give up yards.This coaching staff and communication with situational football is shamefull.
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At this point I don't think we deserve a 2nd seed, but if the Pats were to lose one more time before the playoffs and we win out that's where we would be.
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We took the knee because Cam was protecting the tie. If Flunco turned it over again we would have lost in regulation LOL.
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The only real ciontroversy last night, IMHO, was the decision to receive in the OT. That was essentially putting the strain on Flacco unnecessarily. I'd really like to hear the explanation behind this decision...

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This entire season has been a big JOKE!!!! Im starting to wonder whats going on in practice or just off the field that all these defensive players are getting hurt....never happened under Pagano. Offense decides to not make an attempt to win in the last seconds of the game with a timeout remaining?? Flacco, instead of taking the sack and we get the field goal instead throws a wild pass that was intercepted??? Last week against the Steelers were up in the fourth quarter, instead of running the ball SAFELY and killing the clock we decide to pass resulting in Flacco fumbling the ball????? On 4th and 29 at the end of a losing game Flacco throws a 5 yard pass?????(Thank you for Ray Rice's ability to bail us out!!!) I can go on and on and Im positive there will be alot more to complain about after the disaster we are facing in the next 3 weeks, its like a sailboat heading into the eye of the storm!!!!! I just hope SOMEBODY on the Ravens staff reads some of these comments and says "Hey, they may have a point, our coordinaters and coaching decisions do SUCK!!!!!!"
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I remember the day we hired cameron I was like "now heap and rice gonna kill it just like LT and Gates when cameron was at SD lets gooo!!!!"....now I would just slap anybody who would say something positive like that about cameron lol smh
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I love what Ray Rice said post game regarding the playoff situation. We're not focusing on other teams losing so we can get into the playoffs. We're focused on the Baltimore Ravens winning. That's what the focus should be. Just win games. Tired of reading about if this happens or that happens or scenarios to possibly get us in. Just win! We're giving away games and at this point even if we make the playoffs how far are we going to go? The Baltimore Ravens are winners. We need to find a way to close out these close games. We should be 12-1!!. We're just not closing. We need to get Alec Baldwin in the locker room a la Glengary Glen Ross and give these guys the ABC's of 4th quarter. Always Be Closing!
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why do people want Norv Turner as OC lol doesnt anybody remember we have Jim Caldwell as our QB coach who has led better offenses with the help of peyton than the chargers and Norv Turner, we need to never take a former SD coach as our OC again Cam ruined that
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We are planning to lose 2 of 3 to get a better draft pick. Just joking! We had better win 2 of 3 or risk playing on the road in January.
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[quote name='hdelravensfan' timestamp='1355154904' post='1255207']
why do people want Norv Turner as OC lol doesnt anybody remember we have Jim Caldwell as our QB coach who has led better offenses with the help of peyton than the chargers and Norv Turner, we need to never take a former SD coach as our OC again Cam ruined that
[/quote] Because Norv Turner is a proven and successful offensive coordinator (not a head coach, obviously). Also, Caldwell has never been a coordinator, only a QB coach and head coach. But, at this point, I'd take Peter Griffin as offensive coordinator.
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[quote name='bioLarzen' timestamp='1355154301' post='1255181']
The only real ciontroversy last night, IMHO, was the decision to receive in the OT. That was essentially putting the strain on Flacco unnecessarily. I'd really like to hear the explanation behind this decision...

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I agree 100%. I don't know why we didn't let them have the ball first. If they drive down the field and score then they deserve to win, but that does take a lot of strain off the offense, especially if we force a punt, then we just need a field goal. Sometimes the coaching staff leaves me shaking my head, but they are NFL coaches right? I guess they had confidence we would go down and score....
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[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1355155127' post='1255216']
We are planning to lose 2 of 3 to get a better draft pick. Just joking! We had better win 2 of 3 or risk playing on the road in January.
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The way its looking, we are going to be playing on the road anyway after the wildcard....
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[quote name='B.more careful 111' timestamp='1355155275' post='1255223']
Can we still Clinch as the second seed??
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If we win the last three games and New england loses tonight then its still possible, but not likely
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[quote name='metalraven' timestamp='1355155193' post='1255221']
Because Norv Turner is a proven and successful offensive coordinator (not a head coach, obviously). Also, Caldwell has never been a coordinator, only a QB coach and head coach. But, at this point, I'd take Peter Griffin as offensive coordinator.
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haha, i think peter griffin even would know to give the ball to Rice.....
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If Norv Turner gets fired at the end of the season and someone else picks him up, who's next on the list for replacing Cam Cameron if he gets fired?
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I Love Ravens football, but this team frustrates the hell out of me, the core is still here (Rice Flacco, Suggs Lewis Reed)but some of the toughness, and swagger, are missing, when this is Rays team we are nasty filthy head hunters, but this team has, I think, taken on Flaccos aura, laid back, and in no hurry to put teams away. We dont want Cams chargers(surfer boy) soft influence, we need some of the Rex Ryan swag back!
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Okay people need to stop talking about why didn't Harbaugh go for the 2 point conversion. No coach in this league would go for a 2 point conversion when they have a chance to go up by 8 with the regular point after. If you think otherwise, I'm sorry you're completely wrong and it's as simple as that. That's not smart football. We forced the Redskins to go for a 2 point conversion as opposed to just making them have to get a touchdown. Yea obviously we know the outcome of the game now, but hindsight is 20/20. If Harbaugh would have went for the 2 point conversion and failed, then all of you would be crying about Harbaugh going for the 2 point conversion.
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