Cam Cameron Fired

[ItallstartswithD]

I am just hoping that Flacco does finally get a chance to run the offense. I am not a supporter of any team, regardless of who the QB is, not having the ability to change plays and audible.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355203597' post='1257475']
One is a natural Leader and winner, has all the intagables you could want in a QB. The other squanders his gifts , is lazy, and refuses to take responsibility. "Uh I guess i could have done more" Yea no <duh>
[/quote] [Play nice] Joe is more of a winner than tebow will ever be and to be honest it doesnt matter what he says at press conferences at all you have no idea what he's thinking. He also is not lazy if you want lazy go have a chat with JaMarcus Russell. In case you didn't notice tebow squanders his gifts as well being that they make him an ideal fullback yet he insists on playing QB.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355227936' post='1257666']
UH, all QB's should be wearing a wrist sheet. Funny how I see just about everyone else with one.
Somehow Joe does not rub me off as having some kind of superior IQ, so I go on a limb and say you are making more stuff up.
More people blinded by purpler shades.
[/quote]

At least we're not blinded by the facts. Have you done a survey of how many QBs in the NFL wear cheat sheets? Its generally back-up QBs who are not familiar with the plays or very young starting QBs. With most of the plays called in from the OC, the cheat sheets aren't needed if the QB has any football savy, unless his last name is Rothlisberger. Joe's main problem has been having to execute a play hat didn't make any sense to begin with. He was just following orders. It will be interesting to see if the play-calling improves now that it will be done by a former head coach who has never called a play in the NFL or the NCAA, according to some sources. I'm sure you remember the famous game between the Baltimore Colts and the Green Bay Packers when Tom Matte had the plays taped to his wrist. He was the 3rd string QB at the time and was forced into service because Johnny Unitas and Gary Cuozo were both hurt. Unlike you, I don't make stuff up friend.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1355160013' post='1255698']
Firing Cam won't fix the O line's issues. Not sure how we get relief there, especially with Yanda down.
[/quote]
no more excuses!!!

[CptJesus]

[quote name='Rinbee' timestamp='1355239616' post='1257816']
How can you call someone who has never called an offensive play the futire? Cam was the lightening rod for offensive woes. cosnider this. Flacco owns much of the blame too with his inconsistent play. Caldwell, not Cam, was responsible for developing Flacco's mechanics and refining his skills. What does this say about the job Caldwell has done to this point? For those who say "Caldwell worked with Peyton Manning", Flacco is NO Peyton Manning.
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If certain sources are to be believed, the offensive game plan for the first game of the season was designed by Caldwell. And we saw how well that worked out.

Hint: It was amazing.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='CptJesus' timestamp='1355298153' post='1258883']
If certain sources are to be believed, the offensive game plan for the first game of the season was designed by Caldwell. And we saw how well that worked out.

Hint: It was amazing.
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I'd be very surprised if that's true. Control Freak Cam would never allow someone else to do his gameplanning. But if it is true, I'm excited. What is your source?

[CptJesus]

Check out the post by Miller192

[url="http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php/128862-Cam-Cameron-Fired!-Replaced-by-Caldwell/page4"]http://forum.orioles...-Caldwell/page4[/url]

Explains a lot of things. Obviously, this is just speculation, but it fits with everything we know about Caldwell and his Sugar Huddle. It fits with what we know about Cam too. If Caldwell showed Cam up, do you think he would let Caldwell keep the reins?

Edit: Sorry, the part about Caldwell and the cinci game is a couple page back. But reading some of Miller 192's posts should give you what you need.

[T3hRaven]

Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing the source. I have to take it with a grain of salt given it's a forum post, but I'll choose to believe it because it helps me be a bit more hopeful. Interesting though, I absolutely believe that the earlier reported mutiny was about Cam Cameron and not practicing in pads.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1355297656' post='1258881']

no more excuses!!!
[/quote]

Excuses for what?

[The Raven]

[quote name='CptJesus' timestamp='1355298452' post='1258887']
Check out the post by Miller192

[url="http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php/128862-Cam-Cameron-Fired!-Replaced-by-Caldwell/page4"]http://forum.orioles...-Caldwell/page4[/url]

Explains a lot of things. Obviously, this is just speculation, but it fits with everything we know about Caldwell and his Sugar Huddle. It fits with what we know about Cam too. If Caldwell showed Cam up, do you think he would let Caldwell keep the reins?

Edit: Sorry, the part about Caldwell and the cinci game is a couple page back. But reading some of Miller 192's posts should give you what you need.
[/quote]

What is Miller's source? A lot of the things he says are believable but what makes him an authority on the topic?

[Purple Nurple]

Why would Cam hand over the ability to plan the first game of the year to the QB Coach? On Monday night. Against a divisional opponent.

If its true, its an exciting factoid. Problem is, theres no way its true.

[Guest Moderator 6]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1355331870' post='1259121']
What is Miller's source? A lot of the things he says are believable but what makes him an authority on the topic?
[/quote]A friend of mine is a die hard O's fan and "knows" miller192 very well (online only). He says he's 99.9% accuracte. Take it for what it's worth.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Moderator 6' timestamp='1355333422' post='1259167']
A friend of mine is a die hard O's fan and "knows" miller192 very well (online only). He says he's 99.9% accuracte. Take it for what it's worth.
[/quote]

Everything he's said is feasible and completely believable, so I'll buy it.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1355334009' post='1259184']
Everything he's said is feasible and completely believable, so I'll buy it.
[/quote]

That was my thought as well. If he's not, he's one of the most polished tabloids that I've read. But he just said that Harbaugh is coaching for his job as well and that Bisciotti wants to clean house.

[Guest Moderator 6]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1355334009' post='1259184']
Everything he's said is feasible and completely believable, so I'll buy it.
[/quote]I also hope its all true. Makes the future seem brighter.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1355334641' post='1259204']


That was my thought as well. If he's not, he's one of the most polished tabloids that I've read. But he just said that Harbaugh is coaching for his job as well and that Bisciotti wants to clean house.
[/quote]totally believable contrary to what people thing. Playoffs for what has been one of, if not thee most talented team of the past few years, is more or less a failure.

There's no doubt in my mind that he is on the hotseat.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1355335041' post='1259217']
totally believable contrary to what people thing. Playoffs for what has been one of, if not thee most talented team of the past few years, is more or less a failure.

There's no doubt in my mind that he is on the hotseat.
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I don't think that is fair at all. There are a lot of very talented teams that dont win Super Bowls or even consistently make it to the playoffs. The fact that the Ravens are in position to make a run every year Harbs has been here speaks volumes.

[Guest Moderator 6]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1355334641' post='1259204']
That was my thought as well. If he's not, he's one of the most polished tabloids that I've read. [b]But he just said that Harbaugh is coaching for his job as well and that Bisciotti wants to clean house.[/b]
[/quote]
I missed that. I can't imagine Bisciotti wanting to fire Harbuagh.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Moderator 6' timestamp='1355336365' post='1259250']
I missed that. I can't imagine Bisciotti wanting to fire Harbuagh.
[/quote]

It doesn't surprise me actually. If I was an owner I wouldn't be pleased with a perennially talented team constantly coming up short in one way or another. Bisciotti doesn't want Harbaugh to be another Andy Reid, and if he doesn't think he can get it done then its his job to get someone who can get it done. I think Bisciotti is about winning championships, and Harbaugh has none.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1355335571' post='1259229']


I don't think that is fair at all. There are a lot of very talented teams that dont win Super Bowls or even consistently make it to the playoffs. The fact that the Ravens are in position to make a run every year Harbs has been here speaks volumes.
[/quote]andy Reid was in the playoffs year in year out, I'd bet the owner of the eagles looking back would say he'd rather fire him and win one Super Bowl with a different coach and not make the playoffs every year.

It's not even just that, it's his poor game management, his clear play not to lose attitude he was with the offense, his sticking with Cameron, poor clock management in games, I just don't think he's a good coach. Great player management but the in game management X's and O's just aren't there and it's showing at times this season.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1355337491' post='1259280']
andy Reid was in the playoffs year in year out, I'd bet the owner of the eagles looking back would say he'd rather fire him and win one Super Bowl with a different coach and not make the playoffs every year.

It's not even just that, it's his poor game management, his clear play not to lose attitude he was with the offense, his sticking with Cameron, poor clock management in games, I just don't think he's a good coach. Great player management but the in game management X's and O's just aren't there and it's showing at times this season.
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I agree to an extent. He has made some poor game management decisions whether it be poor challenges or conservative end of game calls. And yeah, sticking with Cameron is probably his biggest fault. I wouldnt say he's not a good coach though. He does a heck of a job of keeping the players focused through adversity and distractions. There have been a lot of games that could have been lost, but mental toughness and the ability to come through when it matters has a lot to do with the HC.

[RavensFanInCA]

Interesting that part of what miller said was that Cam staying would've pretty much voided any chance of retaining Flacco next year.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1355337491' post='1259280']
andy Reid was in the playoffs year in year out, I'd bet the owner of the eagles looking back would say he'd rather fire him and win one Super Bowl with a different coach and not make the playoffs every year.

It's not even just that, it's his poor game management, his clear play not to lose attitude he was with the offense, his sticking with Cameron, poor clock management in games, I just don't think he's a good coach. Great player management but the in game management X's and O's just aren't there and it's showing at times this season.
[/quote]

Excellent points. I'm guessing things are a lot worse behind the scenes than we thought to have Bisciotti step in and get rid of Cam at this time though. It's not unreasonable to say that Harbaugh has almost lost the locker room, considering the near mutiny this season, and that's more than enough of a reason to change coaches. I've always said Harbaugh's one thing he could hang his hat on was managing egos, so if he can't do that anymore what's the point to keeping him around? We know he doesn't know enough about the X's and O's.

[jimmypowder]

Cam is heading to Broadway .

There is gonna be a new musical starring Cam called ,'Can Can Cam Cam" featuring
the new hit song "Hardheaded Man" and " Everyone go deep!"

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1355351195' post='1259544']
Cam is heading to Broadway .

There is gonna be a new musical starring Cam called ,'Can Can Cam Cam" featuring
the new hit song "Hardheaded Man" and " Everyone go deep!"
[/quote]

Cam did close his tenure by running his favorite route: straight up and out (the door).

[RavensAllTheWay]

Well I couldn't resist so I'm here again.

But how do you guys know Harbs isn't great at X's and O's? Where did that perception come from? Is it because he was a ST coach before coming here and not an O or D coordinator, so some people just assumed? The clock management inside 2 minutes has been frustrating at times, but sometimes you don't call timeouts inside the final 2 minutes of the first half if the other team has the ball and is content to run the clock out. If you take them, and they get a first down, you've given them time to move into scoring range.

The only issue I have with him is sometimes I feel like he tries to make everything his way. The bad challenge against the Steelers is a good example. But overall, I don't think he's failing us. And you have to give him credit for getting rid of Cam, it had to have been a difficult decision from a personal standpoint, whether Bisciotti wanted it done or not.

[berad]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1355352309' post='1259566']
Well I couldn't resist so I'm here again.

[b]But how do you guys know Harbs isn't great at X's and O's? Where did that perception come from? Is it because he was a ST coach before coming here and not an O or D coordinator, so some people just assumed?[/b] The clock management inside 2 minutes has been frustrating at times, but sometimes you don't call timeouts inside the final 2 minutes of the first half if the other team has the ball and is content to run the clock out. If you take them, and they get a first down, you've given them time to move into scoring range.

The only issue I have with him is sometimes I feel like he tries to make everything his way. The bad challenge against the Steelers is a good example. But overall, I don't think he's failing us. And you have to give him credit for getting rid of Cam, it had to have been a difficult decision from a personal standpoint, whether Bisciotti wanted it done or not.
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Yes, that's EXACTLY where it comes from. He still gets chided for being a ST coordinator.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1355344463' post='1259443']
Excellent points. [b] I'm guessing things are a lot worse behind the scenes than we thought to have Bisciotti step in and get rid of Cam at this time though[/b]. It's not unreasonable to say that Harbaugh has almost lost the locker room, considering the near mutiny this season, and that's more than enough of a reason to change coaches. I've always said Harbaugh's one thing he could hang his hat on was managing egos, so if he can't do that anymore what's the point to keeping him around? We know he doesn't know enough about the X's and O's.
[/quote] I don't think things were bad at all outside of Cam. I know Harbaugh and Cam were friends and coworkers before 2008, but I don't think Harbaugh could've fired Cam anyway. His job isn't secure (no head coach's is) and firing Cam himself to promote a QB coach who's never called plays before could've meant the end of his own job. Cam was fired because of a business and financial decision by Bisciotti that Harbaugh can't make. Any locker room rift caused by Cam in his time here is really just Cam's difficulty to get along with.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1355352309' post='1259566']
Well I couldn't resist so I'm here again.

But how do you guys know Harbs isn't great at X's and O's? Where did that perception come from? Is it because he was a ST coach before coming here and not an O or D coordinator, so some people just assumed? The clock management inside 2 minutes has been frustrating at times, but sometimes you don't call timeouts inside the final 2 minutes of the first half if the other team has the ball and is content to run the clock out. If you take them, and they get a first down, you've given them time to move into scoring range.

The only issue I have with him is sometimes I feel like he tries to make everything his way. The bad challenge against the Steelers is a good example. But overall, I don't think he's failing us. And you have to give him credit for getting rid of Cam, it had to have been a difficult decision from a personal standpoint, whether Bisciotti wanted it done or not.
[/quote]he said he would get more involved in the offense. It didnt help. If he knew anything X's and O's cam wouldn't have been here as long as he was, but he couldn't even question him as he doesn't understand the ins and outs on an offense,

He's satisfied with the stats quo, he couldn't even fire cam himself, in fact if anything he seemed pissed it happened.

[Alexir]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1355357517' post='1259639']
he said he would get more involved in the offense. It didnt help. If he knew anything X's and O's cam wouldn't have been here as long as he was, but he couldn't even question him as he doesn't understand the ins and outs on an offense,

He's satisfied with the stats quo, he couldn't even fire cam himself, in fact if anything he seemed pissed it happened.
[/quote]

I'm not really certain what Harbaugh's specialty is. I knew he was a special teams coach but for years I have been complaining about how far off the ball are corners play and I know he was a secondary coach so you'd think he'd put his 2 cents in.

Meh who knows.

I'm not in those game plan meetings so I dunno, but I agree that it doesn't "appear" he has much to do with the offense.