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Cam Cameron Fired

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No valid link yet, but read off a very reliable Ravens info Facebook page. States to keep tuned, but doesn't say when or who.
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Yeah, they just mentioned it on 105.7 the fan.

My money is on Moeller, he's a sacrificial lamb.
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saw it too [url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/10/report-changes-coming-to-ravens-coaching-staff/"]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/10/report-changes-coming-to-ravens-coaching-staff/[/url]
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Yeah, Moeller or Pees could be on the chopping block. Both run the weakest units on our team and are costing us games. Change is needed before it's too late.
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Please Football Gods let me hear that Cam Cameron has excepted another OC positions in the Pop Warner Football League.
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It has to be Cam. Honestly I can't take another heartbreak after the last 2 games. I need something to celebrate and I've been waiting for his release for a loooong time.
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I also just heard this on 105.7

Cam Cameron would be the 1st to go IMO. I don't see how Pees is gone considering what has happened to our defense. It is basically a patchwork B team out there. I still don't like what he has done but maybe he can't do much considering the personnel. There is no aggression on this defense but I think we just don't have the talent to get off blocks. We can't tackle either so there is that too. Gotta be talent level.

I doubt anything happens at this point in the season but I would hope Cameron is gone.
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Wow.. I would actually be pleasantly surprised and happy if this happened..

Don't see Caldwell as a long term solution
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[quote name='Owenny' timestamp='1355150584' post='1255028']
PFT tweeted that their guess is Cam out and Jim Caldwell bumped up to OC.
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Even if we lost the rest of the year..I would LOVE to hear this news. I always said ABCC (Anyone But Cam Cameron)
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thought I'd be the last to say this but....I hope it isn't Cam....YET! Why replace a mediocre OC with another mediocre OC. The issue is the playbook along with the play calling. We need a total overhaul from this juvenile offence. Wait until the offseason to acquire an offensive mastermind like Norv. My money is on the O line coach, gives the team a scape goat for their poor play, and replacing a position coach is much easier to do than a coordinator at this point in the season.
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HAHAHA.... watch it not be coach at all but the guys who review the replays up in the booth who always get the call wrong and who I would like to see go too.
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We know we can lose with Cam, why not give Caldwell a shot. If he loses so what? We are losing Denver game anyway.
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[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1355150752' post='1255038']
thought I'd be the last to say this but....I hope it isn't Cam....YET! Why replace a mediocre OC with another mediocre OC. The issue is the playbook along with the play calling. We need a total overhaul from this juvenile offence. Wait until the offseason to acquire an offensive mastermind like Norv. [b]My money is on the O line coach[/b], gives the team a scape goat for their poor play, and replacing a position coach is much easier to do than a coordinator at this point in the season.
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i was thinking this.

~Mili
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Dan Patrick has Tony Dungy in studio and his connection to Caldwell logically says it has something to do with him...
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As much as I hate Cameron sometimes, this cannot be solely blamed on him. And replacing him with a guy who has NO playcalling experience is moronic at this point.

It has to be Moeller, the Oline has gotten significantly worse since he was promoted. I forget the name of the guy we let go in 2010 but it was without a doubt one of the DUMBEST moves we've made in recent years.
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[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1355150752' post='1255038']
thought I'd be the last to say this but....I hope it isn't Cam....YET! Why replace a mediocre OC with another mediocre OC. The issue is the playbook along with the play calling. We need a total overhaul from this juvenile offence. Wait until the offseason to acquire an offensive mastermind like Norv. My money is on the O line coach, gives the team a scape goat for their poor play, and replacing a position coach is much easier to do than a coordinator at this point in the season.
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Fire Cam promote an interim OC than if the offense really blows, no difference with Cam coaching it right now anyway, hire Norv, Peyton, etc... whoever
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I'm not getting excited just yet. They usually throw someone under the bus in order to save Cam's job, so I'm guessing it will the the O line coach.

Can't see Pees because it is his first year plus with all the injuries, they'd tend to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
Can't see the ST guy because while they did give up that big run, they've been solid all season.
Could be the WR coach.

Please let it be Cam. Caldwell might not be the long term guy, and I know he does not really have OC experience, but anyone, and I do mean anyone, is better than Cam.
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1355151312' post='1255057']
As much as I hate Cameron sometimes, this cannot be solely blamed on him. And replacing him with a guy who has NO playcalling experience is moronic at this point.

It has to be Moeller, the Oline has gotten significantly worse since he was promoted. I forget the name of the guy we let go in 2010 but it was without a doubt one of the DUMBEST moves we've made in recent years.
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It is not moronic. Cam has been a problem for awhile and honestly if getting rid of Cam and letting the healing of the offense begin means missing the playoffs one year. I can live with that because let's be honest with ourselves, a super bowl run with our injuries and current inconsistencies is a pipe dream.
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[quote name='GoRavensNTerps' timestamp='1355151044' post='1255050']
Dan Patrick has Tony Dungy in studio and his connection to Caldwell logically says it has something to do with him...
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Very interesting, getting my hopes up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Did you all notice the Tweets sent out from a lot of our guys on Offense about not finishing? Could be a little nudge to the higher ups about the play calling.

@vleach44: #Ravensnation we let another one get away, we have to find a way to close out games. [Twitter]

@bpierce_30: At a loss for words... Left my heart and soul on that field tonight [Twitter]

@torreysmithwr: Another blown opportunity yet we sit in the same position we were entering the game...We need to start finishing teams off smh [Twitter]
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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1355151449' post='1255064']
It is not moronic. Cam has been a problem for awhile and honestly if getting rid of Cam and letting the healing of the offense begin means missing the playoffs one year. I can live with that because let's be honest with ourselves, a super bowl run with our injuries and current inconsistencies is a pipe dream.
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If we're 4-9 then yes you do it now. But if Im Ozzie I'm not letting a potential playoff berth be interrupted because we go to a guy on offense who has no idea how to call plays in the middle of the final 3 games. That is the moronic part.

Like I said, pull the plug on Cameron if we're in a losing season. But you can't at 9-4.

It will be Moeller. I also kind of want it to be Pees but to be honest I don't even know who the hell we could replace him with other than Clarence Brooks.
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im thinking pees some players were complaining about "vanilla calls" on defense and cant use those against peyton when your getting beat by back ups.. going to be tough im not one for changes mid season..
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1355151312' post='1255057']
As much as I hate Cameron sometimes, this cannot be solely blamed on him. And replacing him with a guy who has NO playcalling experience is moronic at this point.

It has to be Moeller, the Oline has gotten significantly worse since he was promoted. I forget the name of the guy we let go in 2010 but it was without a doubt one of the DUMBEST moves we've made in recent years.
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Caldwell was OC in Indy, and head coach when they went 14-2 and to the super bowl. From what I can tell, he's a well liked guy who had a really bad season with the colts.
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1355152032' post='1255077']
Caldwell was OC in Indy, and head coach when they went 14-2 and to the super bowl. From what I can tell, he's a well liked guy who had a really bad season with the colts.
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he never was OC, just QB coach or HC
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[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1355152134' post='1255080']
he never was OC, just QB coach or HC
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That's crazy. they made the QB coach the OC? I take it back, firing cameron would be crazy.
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He said it isn't the side of the ball you think. Which a uniformed fan may think D or offense idk.
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[quote name='msufan' timestamp='1355152244' post='1255084']
He said it isn't the side of the ball you think. Which a uniformed fan may think D or offense idk.
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there's 3 sides to a football... offense, defence and special teams... i'll go side of ball who didn't keep the skins and pitts from scoring with 3rd string qbs at helm
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the record is irrelevant in the post season and as its proven lately, almost irrelevant in the regular season. teams that barely win are exposed sooner or later. it started in houston and since we haven't shown any real performance on either side of the ball. the biggest problem is the fact we have so many injuries. the second is coaching. third, our QB.
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[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1355152482' post='1255092']
If it's Pees who gets fired, I'd like to see Ted Monachino take over.
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Same here. I feel like a little kid on Christmas getting my hopes up & all haha
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[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1355152482' post='1255092']
If it's Pees who gets fired, I'd like to see Ted Monachino take over.
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to be honest, Ted shoul've been next man up after Pagano left
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[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1355152482' post='1255092']
If it's Pees who gets fired, I'd like to see Ted Monachino take over.
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I totally forgot about Monachino. Has he been anything but a LB/OLB coach though?
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[quote name='msufan' timestamp='1355152244' post='1255084']
[b]He said it isn't the side of the ball you think.[/b] Which a uniformed fan may think D or offense idk.
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Haha this throws me for a loop because everyone has been on the chopping block at one point (at least on these forums).
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1355152711' post='1255102']
Haha this throws me for a loop because everyone has been on the chopping block at one point (at least on these forums).
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I know right?
Hmm..not who we think. Perhaps it's the water boy?
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1355152668' post='1255097']
I totally forgot about Monachino. Has he been anything but a LB/OLB coach though?
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wasn't the same with Pagano?
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I usually wouldn't want us to do something like this in the last quarter of the season, but lets be real. We won't do anything with what we currently got. Yes we sit at 9-4, but we're probably the ugliest 9-4 team of all time. If whatever we do doesn't work then thats alright, just give it a shot and fire Cam and/or Pees
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1355151765' post='1255071']
If we're 4-9 then yes you do it now. But if Im Ozzie I'm not letting a potential playoff berth be interrupted because we go to a guy on offense who has no idea how to call plays in the middle of the final 3 games. That is the moronic part.

Like I said, pull the plug on Cameron if we're in a losing season. But you can't at 9-4.

It will be Moeller. I also kind of want it to be Pees but to be honest I don't even know who the hell we could replace him with other than Clarence Brooks.
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I agree with you. The Ravens org isn't one to make brash moves. Replacing a Cordinator at the end of the season while we are still in the playoff picture doesn't sound like the MO.

My bet is on Moeller as well.
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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1355151449' post='1255064']
It is not moronic. Cam has been a problem for awhile and honestly if getting rid of Cam and letting the healing of the offense begin means missing the playoffs one year. I can live with that because let's be honest with ourselves, a super bowl run with our injuries and current inconsistencies is a pipe dream.
[/quote] I agree why not give caldwell a go . this team doesn't beat denver ,,,,,anyone see eli slice up a weak saints defense yesterday we don't beat that one either. nor will the patriots allow the texans to beat them and help us out ....i say go for it if it doesnt work entire offseason to find the right guy. if it does work then someone namely harbaugh will look like the smartest guy on the planet .
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[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1355152398' post='1255088']
there's 3 sides to a football... offense, defence and special teams... i'll go side of ball who didn't keep the skins and pitts from scoring with 3rd string qbs at helm
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Exactly. Even though we are in dire need of an OC, the more immediate need is to improve the porous secondary.
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1355152971' post='1255113']
I usually wouldn't want us to do something like this in the last quarter of the season, but lets be real. We won't do anything with what we currently got. Yes we sit at 9-4, but we're probably the ugliest 9-4 team of all time. If whatever we do doesn't work then thats alright, just give it a shot and fire Cam and/or Pees
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I have to agree with this.
Everyone is saying that we are 9-4.
We are a bad 9-4. We need some sort of change to spark the defense more than anyone. I know Ray will be back sometime soon.
But the past few games the middle of the field has been wide open. It has been painful to watch.
We are not going anywhere right now with what we are doing.
Something has to change.
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[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1355150752' post='1255038']
thought I'd be the last to say this but....I hope it isn't Cam....YET! Why replace a mediocre OC with another mediocre OC. The issue is the playbook along with the play calling. We need a total overhaul from this juvenile offence. Wait until the offseason to acquire an offensive mastermind like Norv. My money is on the O line coach, gives the team a scape goat for their poor play, and replacing a position coach is much easier to do than a coordinator at this point in the season.
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You do it now so that the offense has a chance for next season
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It won't be on defense. We have at least 5 starters not playing due to injury and we've gotten [i]slightly[/i] better on defense. It could be special teams ... but I don't see it. My gut is Cam Cameron.

He's a great coordinator, just a terrible play caller.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1355153030' post='1255116']
I agree with you. The Ravens org isn't one to make brash moves. Replacing a Cordinator at the end of the season while we are still in the playoff picture doesn't sound like the MO.

My bet is on Moeller as well.
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But remaining idle could also be the undoing of the team.
I can't see us beating either Mannings the way we have been playing lately.
So, what do we do to make our chances better?
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[quote name='EricH' timestamp='1355153533' post='1255141']
I have to agree with this.
Everyone is saying that we are 9-4.
We are a bad 9-4. We need some sort of change to spark the defense more than anyone. I know Ray will be back sometime soon.
But the past few games the middle of the field has been wide open. It has been painful to watch.
We are not going anywhere right now with what we are doing.
Something has to change.
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No offense to the G.O.A.T. but I don't think he'll make much of a difference. Unless Mcclain or Ellerbe will miss the next game,

He'll give us an emotional boost, but thats about it. Something definitly has to change, Ray can't go out like this.
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[quote name='Moderator 6' timestamp='1355153688' post='1255151']
It won't be on defense. We have at least 5 starters not playing due to injury and we've gotten [i]slightly[/i] better on defense. It could be special teams ... but I don't see it. My gut is Cam Cameron.

He's a great coordinator, just a terrible play caller.
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But besides the big Redskins run back in OT yesterday, has our special teams been that bad?
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