[News] Are Ravens In Trouble?

[ravenscavecreek]

[quote name='reedlookalike15' timestamp='1355110200' post='1254569']
Yes we are in trouble! Denver G-men then Bengals ALL playoff teams! NEEDING Ws! We lose out.... no playoffs! Fire Cam and lets get younger on the D!
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At 9-7 we get in playoffs unless Pitt and Cincy tie in their game and win out to finish at 9-6-1. This has been confirmed. We win all tiebreakers against any other 9-7 team.

[TheRavengers]

Today just showed how badly the D needs Ray, Suggs, Ellerbe and Webb. Really badly.

[baltimore1975]

[quote name='CharmCityRaven' timestamp='1355108379' post='1254479']
LOL that's funny, because as a selfish Raven fan I was actually hoping Rex got fired at the end of the season, just in hopes we could get him back. I mean I would hate to see anyone lose their job, but come on now, I love me some Rex Ryan, same as Pagano, but that's a totally different story and he has way more problems and stuff to deal with as of right now. Get well soon Chuck!!

How about Rex and Billick as the OC. Norv would def be a change from Cam, that's for damn sure lol!
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That was someone else post in another board. I thought it was pretty funny. Here's my response:

Norv (Are you kidding me), Rex (Bingo)

Norv taught Cam how to call plays. Heck no I don't want him. People say Jim Caldwell. Wasn't he brought here to help Flacco. Is it working? You have to remember he had Peyton running the show until last year and you saw what happen with that situation. Guys like Peyton and Tom don't need OC. They would actually make Cam look good. LOL

[CHARMCITY187]

They've been saying they aren't in trouble for months now. Fact is they were extremely lucky that going into the BYE they weren't 1-6 or 1-7. Dean Pees has the weakest most worthless zone defense and is completely clueless to what is going on, on the field. Cam is an idiot and can't adjust to what an opposing defense is doing that is shutting them down. And once again he's calling passing plays when we should of been running the ball and Joe Throws a INT or fumbles after Rice & Pierce run the ball all the way down the field.

[coreyadams]

Harbs how do you prepare this team for the next game? We are lacking the desire to win now. Joe Flacco wants a new contract as being elite and never made the Pro Bowl, are you kidding me.

[baltimore1975]

[quote name='CHARMCITY187' timestamp='1355111461' post='1254617']
They've been saying they aren't in trouble for months now. Fact is they were extremely lucky that going into the BYE they weren't 1-6 or 1-7. Dean Pees has the weakest most worthless zone defense and is completely clueless to what is going on, on the field. Cam is an idiot and can't adjust to what an opposing defense is doing that is shutting them down. And once again he's calling passing plays when we should of been running the ball and Joe Throws a INT or fumbles after Rice & Pierce run the ball all the way down the field.
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Hello Charm

I thought we already went over why the Skins scored the last TD. The DB blew the coverage. So there are times when the players actually don't play the defense the way it was called. But yes Cam has to go lol

[CHARMCITY187]

LMAO I can't wait to see what Vauhn Miller does the Michael Oher and Osemele next week. HaHa Harbaugh better remove his head from his but and put McKinnie back at LT and Oher at RT and Osemele at LG cause Jah Reid and Oher are terrible on the left side. Harbaugh needs to let his grudge with McKinnie go. He's killing this team. But yea, our season is over, too many things are too messed up and with the inability of our coaching staff to do anything at all to make the team better were done. I wish I could ask Harbaugh so do you still stand by the whole BS of a W is a W no matter how ugly it is?

[baltimore1975]

There has to be a change somewhere on the coaching staff. Of course Harbs isn't going to be released. But we need something to get some new found energy going. Before Billick was fired we could have very well kept the man. He had a winning record, a Super Bowl victory, but you can tell that the players just didn't believe in what he was selling. I think the offense is starting to get that way.

[CHARMCITY187]

[quote name='baltimore1975' timestamp='1355111871' post='1254636']
Hello Charm

I thought we already went over why the Skins scored the last TD. The DB blew the coverage. So there are times when the players actually don't play the defense the way it was called. But yes Cam has to go lol
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Yes we did, but u only answered 1 part of it the last time. Like I said earlier yes the DB blew the last play but what about the other 400yds in offense they had running through empty spots in the zone all day long. Zone defense is worthless unless it is a zone blitz or 3rd and 30. Any half decent QB can pick a part a zone all day long. And u still didn't answer the 1st part of my question and that was who's fault was it that Joe only completed 3 of 10 passes for 12yds with a INT and a fumble in the 2nd half and in overtime

[baltimore1975]

[quote name='CHARMCITY187' timestamp='1355111881' post='1254637']
LMAO I can't wait to see what Vauhn Miller does the Michael Oher and Osemele next week. HaHa Harbaugh better remove his head from his but and put McKinnie back at LT and Oher at RT and Osemele at LG cause Jah Reid and Oher are terrible on the left side. Harbaugh needs to let his grudge with McKinnie go. He's killing this team. But yea, our season is over, too many things are too messed up and with the inability of our coaching staff to do anything at all to make the team better were done. I wish I could ask Harbaugh so do you still stand by the whole BS of a W is a W no matter how ugly it is?
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You are correct about the win is a win comment. Cleveland is Cleveland, Oakland is horrible, San Diego was luck, played Pitt without Ben. So that 4 game winning streak was suspect. Cleveland, Oakland, San Diego are not playoff teams and Pitt is barely holding on...

[coreyadams]

To answer the question of the article. YES, we are in trouble

[baltimore1975]

[quote name='CHARMCITY187' timestamp='1355112271' post='1254652']
Yes we did, but u only answered 1 part of it the last time. Like I said earlier yes the DB blew the last play but what about the other 400yds in offense they had running through empty spots in the zone all day long. Zone defense is worthless unless it is a zone blitz or 3rd and 30. Any half decent QB can pick a part a zone all day long. And u still didn't answer the 1st part of my question and that was who's fault was it that Joe only completed 3 of 10 passes for 12yds with a INT and a fumble in the 2nd half and in overtime
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Yes on the INT Joe should have taken the sack. He had major pressure and should have know that the FG would have given us a 24 to 17 lead. The good ones will keep the FG intact and want screw that up

[goldenboldin]

Sooo who's replacing Cam next year? :)

[Purple Reign5]

I hope Bisciotti has Norv Turner on speed dial. I know this is piling on, but Cam has absolutely no feel for a game.
He has no idea how to adjust to the defense. I think he goes into the game with his game plan for the week and either refuses or has no idea (I think he has no idea) how to make in game adjustments. Can you imagine what Belichick would be able to do with our talent?

[ozrave]

To Haloti's comment, I can tell you what the problem is. We've got nothing in reserve.

Each week something else goes wrong, or we scrape through.

This can be due to injuries but can also be due to not enough talent.

Go Ravens. Let's get that playoff spot.

[MissRay27]

Can't depend on others to help us back into the playoffs. The Ravens need to fix things now if possible. They can still take the division, but they are going to have to really turn it up. Arthur Jones has gotten better since #20 called him out, Ed needs to call out Cody. BA needs to go back to special teams, how do you totally run pass the qb who has the ball in his hands and you could have pasted him for a huge lost, game could have been over there.

[EpicRavensfan2!]

When i heard john ahrbaugh was named the head coach i was shocked but pleased when i heard he would retain rex ryan i was very pleased when i heard he hired cam cameron my jaw dropped and I WAS LIKE What the heck??!?!??!?! I know he knows him and stuff but this dude led miami to a 1-15 record.... I really questioned this descision and I still question it. Ozzie needs to get 2 1st round picks so we can patch holes quickly or find some talent in the second and third rounds.... Come on ozzie we need new talet and you have found 3 future hall of famers. And a ton of pro-bowlers. Find us some more ozzie and please fire cameron after this season.... I can live with pees he's doing what he can with what he has.

[baltimore1975]

[quote name='Purple Reign5' timestamp='1355113525' post='1254707']
I hope Bisciotti has Norv Turner on speed dial. I know this is piling on, but Cam has absolutely no feel for a game.
He has no idea how to adjust to the defense. I think he goes into the game with his game plan for the week and either refuses or has no idea (I think he has no idea) how to make in game adjustments. Can you imagine what Belichick would be able to do with our talent?
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Why would you want Norv? He taught Cam how to call an offense.

[TheRavengers]

If I can be positive, it's nice to see Paul Kruger and Courtney Upshaw evolving as players to some extent.

[law215]

Joe is inconsistent but wants a big contract and no one in draft or FA any better
Cam is terrible and has been since arrival
Defense needs to be rebuilt - rookies and backups are gashing them at home and on the road
Cap space is limited - with key players needing conracts

Are the Ravens are in trouble?

[baltimore1975]

Trust me I'm one of those saying that Cam should be done and I think it's more about giving our offense some fresher ideas so they will not lose belief in our team. But it also come down to players making plays. Players make offense coordinators look good. Rarely it's the other way around. Josh McDaniel and Charlie Weiss were considered they best coordinators in the game, but once they got away from TOM BRADY you saw they were average coaches. Mike Marsh was considered an offensive genius but once he got away from Warner, Faulk, Holt he was average. After Norv left Aikman, Smith, and Irvin he hasn't won anything big as a coach. When Peyton got hurt last year the Colts weren't an offensive beast anymore. Our own Brian Billick was a genius also with Carter and Moss catching the ball, but when he came to the Ravens we had one of the worst passing offenses consistently. I guess you get my point :)

[pocket]

Forget Jim Caldwell is our QB coach.. He should've replaced cam already.

[DretheRavenFan]

We have a former pro bowl left tackle who was great for us last year on the bench when our left side is playing like trash i dont understand smh

[baltimore1975]

[quote name='pocket' timestamp='1355114655' post='1254745']
Forget Jim Caldwell is our QB coach.. He should've replaced cam already.
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He's no better than Cam. Heck Peyton ran the show in Indy.

[SpiritualRaven]

Here's why we ARE in trouble:
1. Joe Flacco's pocket presence is terrible.
2. Cam's play calling is worse.
3. Banged up D.

Find a way to beat the Broncos and the Giants in Baltimore. Our game needs to improve pronto.

[J.O.14]

We lost by 3 points to a good team, but we beat ourselves in IMO. We have to finish, we use to be a finishing team, when we had the lead with less than 5 minutes, i had all the confidence in the word, now....not so much. We have 2 tough games at home, and then we go to cincy, we need to win one of the 2 at home, so that game at cincy isn't about who wins the division. We can get hot, i know we can. Jimmy and ellerbe will be coming back, along with Ray. I think Suggs will play, and Arthur Jones and Kruger have been playing extremely well. Feed the ball to Rice and let's make a playoff push. Yeah i see problems, but i think we can overcome them. LETS GOOOO!!!

[ravensdog86]

Yea The Ravens are in Trouble...

Michael Oher can't Block a Blind man... Let along Bonefied Sack Machines on the Blindside like JJ Watt and Others.. He's better at Right Tackle... He's the Weakest Part of Our Line on Passing Plays

Our Defense... From Top 5, To Bottom 5.... and Yes Injuries have crushed Ravens all year... Lewis, Webb, Suggs, Smith Ellerbe... The list goes on

but But in years Past it didn't Matter... the back ups were all stars or near all star Players too..
Bart Scott, Adalius Thomas, JJ, Cory Redding....

So unless everyone comes back for the final stretch except Webb and their at 85% at least
Ravens are going to blow leads rest of the season

And this is the Biggest issue Lack of Talent and Depth on Defense like we used to have... Better address it through Draft

[mettro79]

I guess it depends on your definition of trouble. Will we make the playoffs, most likely. Will we go far in the playoffs, not how we're playing. We're giving up valuale ground and it's disturbing the way we are finding a way to lose these games. It could be because we are,in fact, spoiled fans who have high expectations for our time. But we have those expectations because we have the team that can meet them, and they are not playing to their potential. And that's hard to swallow.

[Purple Reign5]

Baltimore1975, I believe any other OC would be better than what Cam is doing. He is wasting our talent. He runs the same plays every single game. They line up every time with one WR on each side of the ball and run nine routes or a screen, he has no imagination. He doesn't call any rub plays or bunch formations and the receivers don't get separation, so Flacco almost always has to throw it into a tight window. He doesn't know how to adjust, which is why we usually only have one good half of offense every game. He is too predictable with no feel for the flow of the game. We have talent at every skill position and he is wasting it.

[redravenfan]

[quote name='baltimore1975' timestamp='1355114000' post='1254726']
Why would you want Norv? He taught Cam how to call an offense.
[/quote] not to mention the entire chargers team imploded this year phillip rivers was once a very good quaterback and that team has allot of talent i still don't get whats going on . next will be rex ryan and the jets are a nightmare cirus do we really want that here in baltimore. i for one say find a college coach one who has ideas is dynamic and is looking for a chance to prove himself .I am so disappointed reality has come home to roost .