A plea to Steve Biscotti

[Malkavian Raven]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I can't say I agree with this 'plea', nor can I say I disagree with it. I just don't want to see the Ravens turn into the Cowboys with Steve playing the part of Jerry Jones. However, at the same time, I can see how someone on the Forbes 400 who is worth $1.6 Billion might want to take some control over his investments.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]

[fedup]

I,m done, out coached again. HC has been given the keys to a sportscar and can't get it out of the driveway. Many of you think the head coach is not to blame, but he keeps Cam around, sucks to listen tot media and hear their remarks on what I thought was a great organization. I beg Mr. Biscotti to right this ship. At least we should save some money on Flacco's contract, I don"t think he is worth what he thinks he is. How can you be a elite QB When you got beat by back ups two weeks in a row .

[jdynamite]

I'd like to hope that this year's Raven team could finish like The Packers 2 years ago and the Giants of last year, by getting hot the last couple of games after an inconsistent injury filled season, but the Fact is those teams' offenses got hot at the right the time and their defenses created enough Turnovers and big plays to make up for other short-comings. This Ravens team is incapable of going on an offensive run that sparks a deep playoff run, because of Cam Cameron's play-calling.

I'm so tired of seeing timeouts being wasted, because confusion with the play calls or even worse today on some fluke of a fake punt attempt to draw the defense offsides huh really seriously???

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1355093963' post='1253486']
If Hrbs is a good coach then why has Cam not changed his play calling or Pees redone his schemes or came better prepared for halftime adjustments friend. Unless they are made to do so they will not do it. You speak great words but just look at the facts and the fact is Harbs is a Spineless leader who just rides the tide. Good or Bad.
[/quote]
My opinion of harbaugh is that he needs to stop sugar coating everything. we could lose by 100 points and he would just say "Ya know we played tough out there! we only lost by about 10 scores but you know we never gave up and we fought to the finish!" Every loss he always points out the posotives and not the negatives and always plays everything out to be just fine. He needs to look at the facts and realize when you lose you lose, especially in those games where you can point out tons of mistakes and are thinking "why the heck does harbaugh play the loss off as not so bad?" Also the fact that harbaugh is friends with Cam Cameron and that is a huge factor in why cam is still around. John generally makes the judgment call on who to keep/fire as far as coaches. Why he didnt look at our offense and see that we could do wayyy better is beyond me. we have the talent on offense and we could always use more, but its there. I just feel like this team needs to find someone who can do better things with it. And harbaughs clock managment and "challenge everything" mentality is in question.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1355093107' post='1253406']
I think we are paying a coach that won't ever take us to the promised land. I hope I'm made to eat them words
[/quote]

I've been saying the same thing for a while now. I think some others are finally starting to see that Harbaugh is not the guy.

[jaege]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1355094519' post='1253533']
i guess this is the time when all the debbie downers come out but if the ravens missed the super bowl this year or even the playoffs im still a ravens fans regardless and i still will support john harbaugh because i believe he is a good head coach and that will continue to get better and better.

yes the ravens loss today but this loss doesn't mean the ravens are done. Some times we have to experience great loss to establish great change
[/quote]


Just because you can take a critical look at a team and its coaching staff does not mean you are not a "good fan". Nor does it mean you do not support the team or are a "Debbie Downer". Actually, much to the contrary. Hoping a team improves its weakness and looking at it it with a critical eye is what this team needs. Not a bunch of mindless followers that just agree with everything that is spewed from the mouth of the head coach or anyone else. Some people seem to think that if you do not guzzle the purple kool aid you are a bad fan.

I am not saying that this guy is right, but I have to admit, I too am having second thoughts as to John's head coaching abilities. He is the boss. If Cam or Pees are so horrible, why isn't Harbaugh doing his[u] job[/u] and stepping up to make sure changes get made. And if it isn't Cam, well there is certainly some problem that needs to be corrected. The 9-4 record aside I think we can all agree that this team is not playing well. It is not living up to its potential. That falls on John. That idea that the "buck stops here" applies to Harbaugh. He is the boss, and he is responsible for the success or failure of those who report to him.

[SuggsBarber]

[quote name='johnmike72' timestamp='1355094567' post='1253536']
Harbs is NOT a good head coach, and the main reason is because he lets Cam run the offense any way he wants, and when the offense struggles Harbum doesnt have the wisdom to intervene.
[/quote]
I may be in the minority here, but to me you can't pin this one on Cam.The offense, as awkward as it looked, put up 28 pts.Cam didn't throw a red zone interception. Now for this day(or the last 2 weeks for that matter)Pees may be a different story.

[rlh445]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1355101977' post='1254044']
Just because you can take a critical look at a team and its coaching staff does not mean you are not a "good fan". Nor does it mean you do not support the team or are a "Debbie Downer". Actually, much to the contrary. Hoping a team improves its weakness and looking at it it with a critical eye is what this team needs. Not a bunch of mindless followers that just agree with everything that is spewed from the mouth of the head coach or anyone else. Some people seem to think that if you do not guzzle the purple kool aid you are a bad fan.

I am not saying that this guy is right, but I have to admit, I too am having second thoughts as to John's head coaching abilities. He is the boss. If Cam or Pees are so horrible, why isn't Harbaugh doing his[u] job[/u] and stepping up to make sure changes get made. And if it isn't Cam, well there is certainly some problem that needs to be corrected.[size=5][b] The 9-4 record aside [/b][/size]I think we can all agree that this team is not playing well. It is not living up to its potential. That falls on John. That idea that the "buck stops here" applies to Harbaugh. He is the boss, and he is responsible for the success or failure of those who report to him.
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See, here's the problem with this entire thread. A lot of people in this thread are putting that record and the records of our past since Harbaugh has been here 'aside' and pretending it doesn't matter and counts for nothing because we don't have rings. Guess what guys? It's hard to get a ring and that's it. Ball bounces this way, you get there. Ball bounces that way (EVANS!!!!) you don't. Period. Has nothing to do with how 'sugar coaty' John Harbaugh is. This thread is dumb, and I'm as mad as anyone.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1355092723' post='1253372']
You are paying guys that have no business being NFL coordinators and coach's. None of them have the need to make adjustments and do not seem any more concerned to do so. They are happy taking your money and playing high school level schemes.

Cam is to stubborn to change his "lack of" play calling.
Pees just does not have the knowledge to be in the NFL
Harbaugh lacks the backbone to be a head coach and willing to ride the tide no matter where it leads.

We need your intervention to shake things up. I know John is a very nice guy but as a coach he is terrible at making decisions and changes. I know Cam has been around bu the is not what this team needs as he is afraid to make adjustments to improve our chances to win and Pees is just a terrible DC and does not belong anywhere but in a small college or high school market.

Please step in and help this team. We need a strong leader and we have none.
[/quote]

BINGO!

[T3hRaven]

Is it time to grab our torches and pitchforks?

[J-man]

If Biscotti sold the team, we def would have won today!

[blazeon32]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355094421' post='1253521']
Tell about all the 1st 2nd and 3rd round wonders we have drafted. Ravens used to draft ProBowlers EVERY YEAR. For 5 years in a row, our first rounder was Pro Bowl quality player.

Besides Rice , Webb, and argubly Torrey (jury still out, drops alot of balls and poor route running/ Other half is Joe cant hit him in stride) what have we done?

Oher: Junk, Guess you didnt watch the game today
Kruger: 3 years and he is a situational pass rusher. Cant do anything without Suggs/Ngata getting doubled or coverage sacks
Cody: BUST, cant shed a block to save his life and is non factor in run game
Kindle: Dont even need to say it
JSMITH: Has not lived up to his 1st round pick, Always injured and poor coverage skills
Gooden: Where is he?
Dickson: Good thing we got him instead of Jimmy Grahm or Arron Hernandez. Couldnt catch a cold.
JReid: Only starting beacuse our Line is Horrendous. Poor blocking stats according to football insiders


Upshaw/Osemele still to early to know.


Man Ozzie has really hit some home runs the last 5 years...... Get real kid.
[/quote] You speak the truth friend. Ozzie's draft picks the past few years overall have been pretty smelly. Jimmy Smith is a BIG BUST along with all the others you mentioned. Webb is good, but he is out on injury yet again like last year.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='J-man' timestamp='1355105568' post='1254318']
If Biscotti sold the team, we def would have won today!
[/quote]

I don't know about that. Bisciotti is a businessman, not a football guy, and in terms of being a quality guy Bisciotti is without question in the upper tier of NFL owners. When it comes to running his football team he trusts his football guys, which is what more NFL owners should do. I'd say that the problems with the coaching staff are more of an indictment of Ozzie and the Front Office.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='blazeon32' timestamp='1355105773' post='1254334']
You speak the truth friend. Ozzie's draft picks the past few years overall have been pretty smelly. Jimmy Smith is a BIG BUST along with all the others you mentioned. Webb is good, but he is out on injury yet again like last year.
[/quote]

Webb only missed one game last year. Arthur Jones? No love for him? KO. Dennis Pitta?

[Dfence4champs2052]

The change has to be from the top down. It's amazing how everyone except the FO sees what the real problems are.

[J-man]

sarcasm

[berad]

[quote name='blazeon32' timestamp='1355105773' post='1254334']
You speak the truth friend. Ozzie's draft picks the past few years overall have been pretty smelly. Jimmy Smith is a BIG BUST along with all the others you mentioned. Webb is good, but he is out on injury yet again like [s]last year[/s].
[/quote]

2009

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1355106466' post='1254391']
The change has to be from the top down. It's amazing how everyone except the FO sees what the real problems are.
[/quote]

In their defense, the mainstream sports media doesn't see the real issues either. There are one or two people who call Cam into question, but the reality is no one dives into actual issues in sports talk.

[nk02442]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1355106322' post='1254383']

Webb only missed one game last year. Arthur Jones? No love for him? KO. Dennis Pitta?
[/quote]

Jones has been a Non factor in all but the last two games. He really did nothing before that
KO has not impressed me. His run blocking is not great and gets alot of penalties.
Pitta has good hands but he cant block to save his life, and is slow as mollases

Pitta was a good 4th Round Value Pick/ KO has not impressed me enough at where he was drafted and Jones was a good value pick (late 5th).

We were talking about early round picks. Top 3 round Picks are what make your team better. If you cant pick solid/Stater quality guys, then your team is going to suffer.

[display name]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1355092723' post='1253372']
You are paying guys that have no business being NFL coordinators and coach's. None of them have the need to make adjustments and do not seem any more concerned to do so. They are happy taking your money and playing high school level schemes.

Cam is to stubborn to change his "lack of" play calling.
Pees just does not have the knowledge to be in the NFL
Harbaugh lacks the backbone to be a head coach and willing to ride the tide no matter where it leads.

We need your intervention to shake things up. I know John is a very nice guy but as a coach he is terrible at making decisions and changes. I know Cam has been around bu the is not what this team needs as he is afraid to make adjustments to improve our chances to win and Pees is just a terrible DC and does not belong anywhere but in a small college or high school market.

Please step in and help this team. We need a strong leader and we have none.
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Yes I know! Steve just sits there and owns-usually it's nice, but now it's not.
Again, other than on the sidelines, Harbs is a great coach. But we need him on the sidelines.
And obviously Cam sucks. Can ANYONE explain this to me? Pees to the press box was nice (but the last 2 games we've looked more like we did [i]before[/i] the bye), but other than we still suck.
This is why I like you nextgen_Raven.

[JO_75]

Considering Harbaugh came over from Philly, he may just be Andy Reid 2.0

[cookiedood]

[size=5]Harbaugh will never fire one of his coordinators. He has a history of promoting from within, and has never looked outside of the organization for better people. Ryan, Mattison, Pagano, Pees, I rest my case. Ozzie needs to step up, and use Veto power over Harbaughs coordinators. The coordinators do not play the[/size] [size=5]game, but the players play to their schemes. If the Ravens open [/size][size=5]the 2013 season with these coaches, our expectations should be very low. We have not seen an agressive defense since Rex Ryan left, and we have never seen a creative offense under Cam.[/size]

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='cookiedood' timestamp='1355111703' post='1254628']
[size=5]Harbaugh will never fire one of his coordinators. He has a history of promoting from within, and has never looked outside of the organization for better people. Ryan, Mattison, Pagano, Pees, I rest my case. Ozzie needs to step up, and use Veto power over Harbaughs coordinators. The coordinators do not play the[/size] [size=5]game, but the players play to their schemes. If the Ravens open [/size][size=5]the 2013 season with these coaches, our expectations should be very low. [b]We have not seen an agressive defense since Rex Ryan left,[/b] and we have never seen a creative offense under Cam.[/size]
[/quote]

There are a lot of coaches to bash in the Harbaugh tenure, but Chuck Pagano is not one of them. That defense last year was good under him. I guess the good coaches are smart enough to get away from Harbaugh.

[Bmoreazfan]

Let me start out by saying I have not lost hope in the Ravens "if" the Texans win tomorrow we can ride this out to a 2nd seed. Right now that seems pretty far out that the Pats will lose at home and we will win out....

I don't have issues with Harbs but I think they need to take a serious look at a certain OC out there. I also think this year proves Joe Flacco is not worthy of top 10 QB pay he continues to make the same rookie mistakes when he is under pressure. If we pay him the money he wants the rest of the team falls apart he is what Alex Smith used to be to the 49ers in my opinion and deserves that level pay. We need plenty of room to improve the defense and I don't know if I agree with fireing Pees. If the D handled their individual assignments and made the easy tackles we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Its going to be another long sad week of avoiding my favorite sport just to avoid seeing that Rookie backup convert on us!!!!

[cookiedood]

[size=5]My mentioning Pagano was not to sell him short, it was only used to demonstrate how Harbaugh promotes from within, without exploring all candidates.[/size]

[K-Dog]

Who in the NFL has been consistent?

Okay, the Texans, who else?

[K-Dog]

[quote name='cookiedood' timestamp='1355112561' post='1254665']
[size=5]My mentioning Pagano was not to sell him short, it was only used to demonstrate how Harbaugh promotes from within, without exploring all candidates.[/size]
[/quote]

Harbaugh doesnt promote.
Thats not his job.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1355113884' post='1254717']
Who in the NFL has been consistent?

Okay, the Texans, who else?
[/quote]
Me me me! I have consistently been a top poster on this board for about a month or so!

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1355113952' post='1254720']
Harbaugh doesnt promote.
Thats not his job.
[/quote]
Thats Oz

[BloodRaven]

I agree with OP, but mainly about Cam. He should not be here and Harbaugh needs to stop making excuses for him.