A plea to Steve Biscotti

[nk02442]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1355094400' post='1253517']
Instead of spouting off crap as you usually do, how about reading my post properly? I didn't make any excuses. The team [i]has[/i] done relatively well compared to most of the league the past four seasons. How they made the play-offs doesn't diminish the fact that they made it. And I think you'd find a lot of good NFL teams have lost to bad teams [b]every singe year.[/b]
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[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1355094561' post='1253535']
he's even that bad he's only got a 0.700 win ratio as head coach and this will be his only fifth straight year going to playoffs
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Mickey Mouse could have had the same record with the talent on this team, Top flight defense and Vet leadership.

You think if Belicheck/Coughling/Peyton/Cower/Tomlin/Mcarthy/Shanahann/Fox/Lewis/Kubiak/Carrol or any other good coach would have had this team they wouldnt have done just as well? Replace Harbaugh with any of those guys in the last 5 years and you have 1 or 2 rings.

[jazz1988]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355094588' post='1253539']
You must have a short memory. I seem to remmeber Mattison years as the WORST next to this year. When you have a healthy and prime Suggs/Reed/Ngata/Lewis ect you are going to have a decent team.

Mattison WAS WAY worse that Pees. Pees may be a bad coach, but he has much less talent to work with than Mattison did.
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if mattison was way worse then don't you think just for split second that the rankings would had reflected that because i remember the ravens playing with overweight suggs, ed reed missing some games due to injuries and etc but still have a pretty good defense under mattison

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1355094832' post='1253558']
he makes too many mistakes, [b]he hasn't got a handle on this team[/b]. He's too conservative, [b]doesn't have the balls to get us over the hump[/b]
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Timeouts and clock management have been a problem on and off and I definitely agree on the convertasim, but how doesn't he have a handle on the team or "have the balls to get over the hump"?

[Juviebest]

Im conflicted...lose out for a better draft pick (which could very well happen) or win to make the playoffs and lose then. Our team just isn't good and I'm positive injuries and coaching are both to blame.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1355095042' post='1253572']


Timeouts and clock management have been a problem on and off and I definitely agree on the convertasim, but how doesn't he have a handle on the team or "have the balls to get over the hump"?
[/quote]that shambles at the end of the first half, shows he doesn't have a handle of the team.

The balls goes back to being to conservative. He plays not to lose on offense rather than trying to win

[nk02442]

Must be
[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1355095007' post='1253569']
if mattison was way worse then don't you think just for split second that the rankings would had reflected that because i remember the ravens playing with overweight suggs, ed reed missing some games due to injuries and etc but still have a pretty good defense under mattison
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Must be nice to have selective memory. Mattison had more haters than Cam back then.

And for the Record I have said, since day one that Harbaugh/Cam/Flacco are all bad choices.

Funny how 4 years ago everyone tells you your crazy, 4 years later same people are changing their tune and finnaly getting it, and jumping on the bandwagon.

The you still have the clowns who thinkg Harbaugh is a great coach and Flacco is the next Johhny U.


One thing I still havent learned yet. Arguing with idiots is a waste of time and effort. I am just too stuborn.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355093534' post='1253451']


So if your coordinators have been HORRIBLE the whole time you been a head coach (besides 1 year of rex and one of Pags) the head coach gets a pass? God I dont know how some of you are able to dress yourself in the morning.

Idiocrocy is clearly a doccumentory and not a movie.
[/quote] documentary is spelled wrong.. just a heads up

[nk02442]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1355095042' post='1253572']
Timeouts and clock management have been a problem on and off and I definitely agree on the convertasim, but how doesn't he have a handle on the team or "have the balls to get over the hump"?
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I guess the fact we havent been to the superbowl and there was a mutiny last week would pretty much anwser that question for you.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355094985' post='1253568']
Mickey Mouse could have had the same record with the talent on this team, Top flight defense and Vet leadership.

You think if Belicheck/Coughling/Peyton/Cower/Tomlin/Mcarthy/Shanahann/Fox/Lewis/Kubiak/Carrol or any other good coach would have had this team they wouldnt have done just as well? Replace Harbaugh with any of those guys in the last 5 years and you have 1 or 2 rings.

Think Cam would have lasted with ANY of them? You are delusional.
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alright if mickey mouse could've done it then i stand corrected. why didn't the majority of the guys you mention get two rings with their teams if they're so good? building a team is part of football too isn't it?

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1355094250' post='1253509']
I'm sorry but if you make the playoffs five years in a row you get to stay.
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I thought it was about winning rings though? Making to the playoffs has been cool but no going anywere...not so much.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355095332' post='1253594']
I guess the fact we havent been to the superbowl and there was a mutiny last week would pretty much anwser that question for you.
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what another one? i thought it was back for halloween. instigated by talk too much just to see my name in the news ed reed and wood head draw poinless penalties pollard

[berad]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355095332' post='1253594']
I guess the fact we havent been to the superbowl and there was a mutiny last week would pretty much anwser that question for you.
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Last week? Double check there. Also, you need to stop being so confrontational / name-calling all of the members. You've been warned once today and it won't be tolerated any longer.

[nk02442]

[quote name='Miami Hurricane' timestamp='1355095284' post='1253592']
documentary is spelled wrong.. just a heads up
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Thats why my degree is in Accounting and not english. Have anything with substince to add? Didnt think so.

[jazz1988]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355095272' post='1253591']
Must be


Must be nice to have selective memory. Mattison had more haters than Cam back then.

And for the Record I have said, since day one that Harbaugh/Cam/Flacco are all bad choices.

Funny how 4 years ago everyone tells you your crazy, 4 years later same people are changing their tune and finnaly getting it, and jumping on the bandwagon.

The you still have the clowns who thinkg Harbaugh is a great coach and Flacco is the next Johhny U.


One thing I still havent learned yet. Arguing with idiots is a waste of time and effort. I am just too stuborn.
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it's ok you just have much to learn young grass hopper

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355095332' post='1253594']
I guess the fact we havent been to the superbowl and there was a mutiny last week would pretty much anwser that question for you.
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No, it doesn't.

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1355095203' post='1253585']
that shambles at the end of the first half, shows he doesn't have a handle of the team.

The balls goes back to being to conservative. He plays not to lose on offense rather than trying to win
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What happened exactly?

Again I agree on him being conservatism but there are bigger reasons why the team hasn't gotten over the hump during his tenure.

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355094985' post='1253568']
Mickey Mouse could have had the same record with the talent on this team, Top flight defense and Vet leadership.

You think if Belicheck/Coughling/Peyton/Cower/Tomlin/Mcarthy/Shanahann/Fox/Lewis/Kubiak/Carrol or any other good coach would have had this team they wouldnt have done just as well? Replace Harbaugh with any of those guys in the last 5 years and you have 1 or 2 rings.

Think Cam would have lasted with ANY of them? You are delusional.
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Like I've said before, you're in no position to call anyone delusional.

The team had a top-flight D and veteran leadership from '01-'06. How do you explain their inconsistency during that time? Coaching makes a difference. Harbaugh hasn't been the only reason for the consistency, but you're deluding yourself if you think he hasn't made a different.

You're entitled to your opinions. But for as much as people rave about Belichick and Shanny, neither have won a Super Bowl in ages. How do you explain that?

[Raving_Heathen]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1355094250' post='1253509']
I'm sorry but if you make the playoffs five years in a row you get to stay.
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I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this at all. This is the same philosophy that the Eagles franchise has been buying into under Andy Reid, and ultimately it's gotten them nowhere. The Eagles have had an insane amount of talent the last 12-13 years, and they have exactly one SB [b]appearance[/b] (and a bunch of ultimately meaningless playoff berths) to show for it. Like Harbaugh, Reid rarely ever outcoached anyone, and just rode the coat tails of the sheer talent of his teams.

So I ask the same question here that I did last week: what individual value does Harbaugh bring to this team? What does Harbaugh actually do well?

[kassaiscool]

I'll break it down. John Harbaugh is a good leader of men, I question his ability of knowing how to help the offense or defense specifically, but their are a bunch of teams like that(mike tomlin and the steelers). John is a human being so of course he is going to value his friendship with Cam Cameron, and I believe that's the reason Cam came back this season. To me its very telling that Rex Ryan got a head coaching gig, chuck pagano got one after one year being the ravens DC, and even Greg mattison had a defensive position offered to him by Michigan. That leaves Cam Cameron, I'm sure he would have got a job somewhere, but nobody comes calling for Cam to be on there nfl team. The nfl knows something the ravens don't, but Harbaugh will continue to deny a change must be made. The 4 years John has been here the defense has been top 10, and the offense? Besides the year in 2009 year in which this offense was ranked 13th, this offense has never cracked the top 15. This year we are ranked 19th in total offense. I won't say much about the defense this year, because they have been carrying this organization for so long. The defense constantly has new DC's, and has been injury plagued. The defense was bound to have a season like this, but the offense has been consistently average at best.

[usmccharles]

after reading some of this, im ashamed. Some of you talking some much trash about Harbs is just dumb. He is a good head coach, we were stripped ball away from the superbowl, if that wouldnt of happened i bet you guys would be just fine. Although i am not a fan of cam, i like harbs and pees is still in his first year. you have remember we are working with out our 1 and 2 cbs out, ray is out, suggs is out....You cant expect to dominate every single year, although we are still going to win double digits. I understand the frustration, but alot of these problems were player mistakes, poor coverage, poor tackling, etc...ive never wr's be that open. I think cam will be gone this after this year, a offense never making progress is a sign of consistantly no progress, so change is needed. how many other teams have made the playoffs 5 years running? exactly...

[Sunday QB]

[font=comic sans ms, cursive]Have you noticed that when the Ravens defense was run by Rex Ryan and Chuck Pagano we had a mean smash mouth tuff as nails defense. We need someone like that to run this defense. Gregg and Dean are nice guys but they’re just not what the Ravens need to be the Ravens. Also let’s talk about Harbaugh, he needs to take a page out of his brothers playbook and show some meanness. I mean tell Cam to get his crap together or else. If this can’t be done because he’s like family then Biscotti needs to get rid of both of them. This is not Ravens football. This was a run the rock down your throat and create opportunities to pass team. Create plays that use the talents of the receivers, Boldin is a slot guy, across the middle guy. Not a deep threat. Torrey and Jones need more rout patterns than just deep throws down the field. Creative play calling creates plays. Joe need to find himself and get his stuff right in a hurry. There are player on this team with more heart than talent. We need play makers. Give Hamilton a chance. What are we doing to make sure we have a replacement to Ray Lewis when he retires. We will never replace the man but we can replace the player. Draft a Patrick Willis or a clay Matthews kind of guy or well you get my drift. Yes we are 9 – 4 but it doesn’t feel like a solid 9 – 4. These next three games scare me.[/font]

[nk02442]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1355095665' post='1253622']
No, it doesn't.



What happened exactly?

Again I agree on him being conservatism but there are bigger reasons why the team hasn't gotten over the hump during his tenure.



Like I've said before, you're in no position to call anyone delusional.

The team had a top-flight D and veteran leadership from '01-'06. How do you explain their inconsistency during that time? Coaching makes a difference. Harbaugh hasn't been the only reason for the consistency, but you're deluding yourself if you think he hasn't made a different.

You're entitled to your opinions. But for as much as people rave about Belichick and Shanny, neither have won a Super Bowl in ages. How do you explain that?
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The team didnt have a an offense then. The only decent QB we had was Mcnair and he was playing injured the year we lost to the colts at home. We had NO wide recievers. Heap was our offense.

The only reason people here think flacco walks on water, is that he is much better than anything we have EVER had. If we ever had a QB who wasnt at the end of their carrear or was decent, Flacco would look MUCH worse.

Defense was the ONLY reason the ravens won the SB and were relevent all those years. Take away the defense and we would have been the worst team in the league ALA browns/raiders.

How many recievers did the ravens develop. Beside Free Agent aquisitions Mason/Boldin, before Torrey who have we ever had?





You really trying to say Harbaugh is as good or better than Belicheck or Shanny? PULLLLEASSE

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Raving_Heathen' timestamp='1355095902' post='1253645']
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this at all. This is the same philosophy that the Eagles franchise has been buying into under Andy Reid, and ultimately it's gotten them nowhere. The Eagles have had an insane amount of talent the last 12-13 years, and they have exactly one SB [b]appearance[/b] (and a bunch of ultimately meaningless playoff berths) to show for it. Like Harbaugh, Reid rarely ever outcoached anyone, and just rode the coat tails of the sheer talent of his teams.

So I ask the same question here that I did last week: what individual value does Harbaugh bring to this team? What does Harbaugh actually do well?
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that's not true. We've never had the most talented teams. We've just been well coached. Good fundamentals. Good attitude.

Overly critical. No gratitude fanbase. What can you expect?

[nk02442]

[quote name='Raving_Heathen' timestamp='1355095902' post='1253645']
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this at all. This is the same philosophy that the Eagles franchise has been buying into under Andy Reid, and ultimately it's gotten them nowhere. The Eagles have had an insane amount of talent the last 12-13 years, and they have exactly one SB [b]appearance[/b] (and a bunch of ultimately meaningless playoff berths) to show for it. Like Harbaugh, Reid rarely ever outcoached anyone, and just rode the coat tails of the sheer talent of his teams.

So I ask the same question here that I did last week: what individual value does Harbaugh bring to this team? What does Harbaugh actually do well?
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Everyone should listen to this man. 100% spot on.

[HarleypsychRN]

It's going to take the wheels completely coming off the cart before anything is done. Wait till the Manning brothers get done with this defense...it isn't going to be pretty.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355096873' post='1253724']
The team didnt have a an offense then. The only decent QB we had was Mcnair and he was playing injured the year we lost to the colts at home. We had NO wide recievers. Heap was our offense.

The only reason people here think flacco walks on water, is that he is much better than anything we have EVER had. If we ever had a QB who wasnt at the end of their carrear or was decent, Flacco would look MUCH worse.

Defense was the ONLY reason the ravens won the SB and were relevent all those years. Take away the defense and we would have been the worst team in the league ALA browns/raiders.

How many recievers did the ravens develop. Beside Free Agent aquisitions Mason/Boldin, before Torrey who have we ever had?

You really trying to say Harbaugh is as good or better than Belicheck or Shanny? PULLLLEASSE
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I knew that. You're the one that implied a good D and veteran leadership were all you needed to win in the NFL.

No one here thinks Flacco walks on water.

What's your point with the WRs? The team has never developed a quality WR for a number of reasons. That's common knowledge.

Again, [b]read my post properly[/b]. I never even hinted that Harbaugh was better than Belichick and Shanny.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1355093511' post='1253448']
I can't remember a more undwhelming 9-4 team, but being the only team to make the play-offs the past four seasons is more than "limping along".
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That streak isn't looking too likely to continue since I doubt we'd make it a 9-7 if it came down to tie breakers with Pitt Cincy Jets etc... whoever else makes it to that number.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1355097528' post='1253772']
That streak isn't looking too likely to continue since I doubt we'd make it a 9-7 if it came down to tie breakers with Pitt Cincy Jets etc... whoever else makes it to that number.
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I'm very aware of that. It still doesn't mean the team has been [i]limping along[/i] for five seasons.

[Kwothdaraven]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1355096935' post='1253731']

that's not true. We've never had the most talented teams. We've just been well coached. Good fundamentals. Good attitude.

Overly critical. No gratitude fanbase. What can you expect?
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We have easily had the most talented team in the nfl the past 3 or 4 years. If not #1 then top 3 atleast.

Piss poor coaching has cost use multiple super bowls imo. Especially cam, then harbaugh. This team has had a [large] amount of talent

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1355097919' post='1253799']
We have easily had the most talented team in the nfl the past 3 or 4 years. If not #1 then top 3 atleast.

Piss poor coaching has cost use multiple super bowls imo. Especially cam, then harbaugh.
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What is harbaugh doing wrong? you mean our stellar receivers who are out of the league every where? Our consistent run blocking and pass protection?
We're had good run defense, and good coaching. Poor offensive coaching and average offensive talent.

People are just whinny because we've lost two in a row.

this board is a bunch of whinny children. The team is that talented. When you're losing man on man match ups you can't blame the coach.

[Dfence4champs2052]

Steve,

They set records on us today....most yards in the first quarter and two rookies leading comebacks.

. The Redskins have their first four-game winning streak since 2008 and have six 30-point games, their most since 1996. ... Washington became the first team since the 1970 merger to have two rookie quarterbacks lead fourth-quarter comebacks in the same season.

Can you really say you are ok with this? So disappointed.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1355097665' post='1253785']
I'm very aware of that. It still doesn't mean the team has been [i]limping along[/i] for five seasons.
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I wasnt defending or accepting that statement just making an observation on one of yours