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I wonder if next year the Ravens can get Kindle to add some weight like they did with Kruger and put him on the end... make him just a pass rusher and forget the coverage... if need be place his good ear on the side of either Suggs or even next to Ngata on passing situations. We may have some pretty good rushing ends (hoping) with the young guys next year. Mcphee MacAdoo the guy from the cowboys(don't know if he was an end or linebacker. If we use Kindle like Pees used Upshaw some this year he may do some good. Just a thought.
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I want Sergio to suceed, but we are taking about a very deadly injury if he injures his head again. I want him to play, so lets get him a Kevlar Helmet or something. He has ability after all. I agree
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[quote name='ravensfan520' timestamp='1355029125' post='1250010']
I wonder if next year the Ravens can get Kindle to add some weight like they did with Kruger and put him on the end... make him just a pass rusher and forget the coverage... if need be place his good ear on the side of either Suggs or even next to Ngata on passing situations. We may have some pretty good rushing ends (hoping) with the young guys next year. Mcphee MacAdoo the guy from the cowboys(don't know if he was an end or linebacker. If we use Kindle like Pees used Upshaw some this year he may do some good. Just a thought.
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Nope. Kindle's strength has always been his speed rush on the edge, which does not work effectively in the NFL. Putting him at end would be a detriment to whatever talent he does have.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1355029655' post='1250014']
Nope. Kindle's strength has always been his speed rush on the edge, which does not work effectively in the NFL. Putting him at end would be a detriment to whatever talent he does have.
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Thats not how Madden works!
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1355029655' post='1250014']
Nope. Kindle's strength has always been his speed rush on the edge, which does not work effectively in the NFL. Putting him at end would be a detriment to whatever talent he does have.
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He wasn't a run around the Tackle 40 times to get to the QB edge rusher though. He could still use his hands, he just used his burst to get an edge on Tackles. He was not an Aaron Maybin. He reminded me alot of Peter Boulware. Kindle had immense talent and would have been the perfect compliment to the power rushing Suggs. But Kindle is done now, whatever impact he could have had in the NFL is gone.

And to the OP Kindle has never weighed more than 250-255. He's not going to put on 30 pounds and become a 34 DE.
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1355030703' post='1250022']
He wasn't a run around the Tackle 40 times to get to the QB edge rusher though. He could still use his hands, he just used his burst to get an edge on Tackles. He was not an Aaron Maybin. He reminded me alot of Peter Boulware. Kindle had immense talent and would have been the perfect compliment to the power rushing Suggs. But Kindle is done now, whatever impact he could have had in the NFL is gone.

And to the OP Kindle has never weighed more than 250-255. He's not going to put on 30 pounds and become a 34 DE.
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He would have been, but it looks as if he forgot how to use his hands in the pass rush.
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Such a tragedy of a draft pick, honestly! I mean, this guy was an ANIMAL .. what a shame. he can't even get on the field for special teams.
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I still have some hope he makes it... if we lose Kruger next year... And if we had to move him to a down lineman it could work... if he lined next to Suggs and they are both coming at you... maybe on a twist like San Fran uses or something... it would be hard to block.
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1355032018' post='1250033']
Such a tragedy of a draft pick, honestly! I mean, this guy was an ANIMAL .. what a shame. he can't even get on the field for special teams.
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This is what really upsets me. No impact at all. At. All.
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6'3 250 pounds for a OLB is pretty good size. He had big time potential and still has something to offer I think. In that championship game vs Alabama he was all over the field and had 3 sacks. I'm still holding out some type of hope for him.
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People should let this guy go.

He's a bust. He's clearly not that smart of a guy, either.
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yea with suggs out and upshaw not completely there as a rookie in the first 5 games kindle still couldn't see the field. I hope he does succeed just doesnt look good getting demoted from the 53 to PS when OLB was our weakness.. he has another year and another training camp so we wont know till then.
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So you honestly feel Kindle will be a Raven next season? Or even in the NFL for that matter?
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I don't know... I think it's about time that we move on from this whole Kindle experiment. His best asset (before the injury) was his finesse and speed. If we tried to get him to put on weight, he still wouldn't be good against the run, and less effective as a pass rusher. I wouldn't waste any more time on this kid. Sounds harsh, but we have taken our time with him and spent a lot of money to keep him here, and the year when he finally gets a chance at playing time... He can't practice well enough to get on the field and ends up on the PS. Move on!!!
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[quote name='ravensfan520' timestamp='1355029125' post='1250010']
I wonder if next year the Ravens can get Kindle to add some weight like they did with Kruger and put him on the end... make him just a pass rusher and forget the coverage... if need be place his good ear on the side of either Suggs or even next to Ngata on passing situations. We may have some pretty good rushing ends (hoping) with the young guys next year. Mcphee MacAdoo the guy from the cowboys(don't know if he was an end or linebacker. If we use Kindle like Pees used Upshaw some this year he may do some good. Just a thought.
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I really do not see Kindle being here next season, why hold onto him. Let a good and deserving player have that spot. He has not showed up in any game and at some point you have to call it a loss and this is a Loss no matter what he has had to overcome. He might be a great guy that wants to play but he does not have the skillset to be an NFL player, not a Ravens player. He might be able to get a look from the Raiders or someone who wants to maybe waste more years on him but it is pointless here

With how our cap room looks for next season we need every extra bit we can to keep legitimate players not on hopefuls.
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Upshaw and Suggs will be a defensive night mare in a the coming years.

Upshaw compliments Suggs style.

How could you stop the two of them, all out from both ends? Can't double team everyone!

Kindle is a bust. Shame for all the potential he had.

Go RAVENS!
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[quote name='Neal Could Block the SUN!!' timestamp='1355069811' post='1250146']
Upshaw and Suggs will be a defensive night mare in a the coming years.

Upshaw compliments Suggs style.

How could you stop the two of them, all out from both ends? Can't double team everyone!

Kindle is a bust. Shame for all the potential he had.

Go RAVENS!
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Upshaw is not the pass rushing nightmare Suggs is when Suggs is on.
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Kindle is a lost cause. He is a waste of a roster spot.

He is just another in a long line of Wasted draft picks the last few years.

Kruger/Cody/JSMITH/Kindle/Oher/Dickson/Gooden all top 3 Picks that have not panned out.

And before you say anything about Kruger, hes been on the team for 4 years and all his sacks are either coverage or beacuse others are being doubled. He is a situational pass rusher at best and not worth the 2nd rounder we spent on him.
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[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355078857' post='1250784']
Kindle is a lost cause. He is a waste of a roster spot.

He is just another in a long line of Wasted draft picks the last few years.

Kruger/Cody/JSMITH/Kindle/Oher/Dickson/Gooden all top 3 Picks that have not panned out.

And before you say anything about Kruger, hes been on the team for 4 years and all his sacks are either coverage or beacuse others are being doubled. He is a situational pass rusher at best and not worth the 2nd rounder we spent on him.
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Kruger has been very good this year. He has had some great games.

Before you start talking out your butt, check the number of snaps he played in his first 3 years.

Exactly.
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[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355078857' post='1250784']
Kindle is a lost cause. He is a waste of a roster spot.

He is just another in a long line of Wasted draft picks the last few years.

Kruger/Cody/JSMITH/Kindle/Oher/Dickson/Gooden all top 3 Picks that have not panned out.

And before you say anything about Kruger, hes been on the team for 4 years and all his sacks are [b]either coverage or beacuse others are being doubled[/b]. He is a situational pass rusher at best and not worth the 2nd rounder we spent on him.
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That could not be further from the truth.
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[quote name='Ngata Chance' timestamp='1355088711' post='1252768']
Kruger has been very good this year. He has had some great games.

Before you start talking out your butt, check the number of snaps he played in his first 3 years.

Exactly.
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And why has he played so few snapps his first 3 years? Beacuse he is a BUST. Blown second rounder.

Took him 3 years to even see playing time and now hes a free agent. He has aleast been worth his salary this year but is not worth that some idiot team will pay him based on stupid stats.

Like I said, He gets coverage sacks and when NGATA gets doubled, he might get one. Funny how when the QB holds onto the ball for 4 seconds or less, he doesnt get anything.

YOU dont know what your talking about. Take your sillyness somewhere else.
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[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355089726' post='1252957']


And why has he played so few snapps his first 3 years? Beacuse he is a BUST. Blown second rounder.

Took him 3 years to even see playing time and now hes a free agent. He has aleast been worth his salary this year but is not worth that some idiot team will pay him based on stupid stats.

Like I said, He gets coverage sacks and when NGATA gets doubled, he might get one. Funny how when the QB holds onto the ball for 4 seconds or less, he doesnt get anything.

YOU dont know what your talking about. Take your sillyness somewhere else.
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Ha ha ha. Man you're funny.

You wanted him taking snaps instead of JJ? Is that right?

I don't know what I'm talking about?
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[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355089726' post='1252957']


And why has he played so few snapps his first 3 years? Beacuse he is a BUST. Blown second rounder.

Took him 3 years to even see playing time and now hes a free agent. He has aleast been worth his salary this year but is not worth that some idiot team will pay him based on stupid stats.

Like I said, He gets coverage sacks and when NGATA gets doubled, he might get one. Funny how when the QB holds onto the ball for 4 seconds or less, he doesnt get anything.

YOU dont know what your talking about. Take your sillyness somewhere else.
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As well, a 2 nd round bust is Kindle. Not due to lack of talent but for a stupid accident. Kruger is not in that category. Find another player to envy.
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[quote name='Ngata Chance' timestamp='1355089885' post='1252973']
Ha ha ha. Man you're funny.

You wanted him taking snaps instead of JJ? Is that right?

I don't know what I'm talking about?
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Your right you dont know what your talking about.

A second round pass rusher should BE STARTING, especialy on a team that has trouble getting pressure, Like the ravens the last 4 years(besides last year, pass rush was good).

Took him 3 years to even see the field. JJ had NO pass rush, and was really only a run stufffer. He was horrible in coverage and in games against the hurry up and long drive (atlanta/Houston games come to mind) he was gassed and destroyed.

Bottom Line Kruger is still a situational Pass rusher who cannot get pressure with others getting doubled or a dumb QB who holds onto the ball for 9 seconds.

Want to take a look at who we could have taken with our Second rounder that year?

Cody/Kindle were also great picks after we traded away our first. Want to see who we could have taken with our Origional 1st and 2nd that year?


You are just embarasing yourself.
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[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355090865' post='1253125']



Your right you dont know what your talking about.

A second round pass rusher should BE STARTING, especialy on a team that has trouble getting pressure, Like the ravens the last 4 years(besides last year, pass rush was good).

Took him 3 years to even see the field. JJ had NO pass rush, and was really only a run stufffer. He was horrible in coverage and in games against the hurry up and long drive (atlanta/Houston games come to mind) he was gassed and destroyed.

Bottom Line Kruger is still a situational Pass rusher who cannot get pressure with others getting doubled or a dumb QB who holds onto the ball for 9 seconds.

Want to take a look at who we could have taken with our Second rounder that year?

Cody/Kindle were also great picks after we traded away our first. Want to see who we could have taken with our Origional 1st and 2nd that year?


You are just embarasing yourself.
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I love reading your posts. Spelling aside, your irrational, almost troll like hate is like watching a 3 year old have a tantrum. Delicious!

JJ was not great as a rusher. True. But man was he a great backer for us. Why would we put a rookie in his place?

Also, if you recall (and I'm guessing you don't) they tried to make Kruger bulk up and make him a DE. That was a failure, as it made him something he wasn't. So he got his first real opportunity to start this year. And he now has 8 sacks.

If we could find more busts that get 8 sacks, that would be just fine with me.

Insult me all you want. But maybe take a step back and look at really who looks foolish.

Oh, I'm happy with Kruger at the spot we drafted him. Why don't you go back and tell me who you think, with hindsight, you would have gotten? The only one I would have taken in the 2nd was Conner Barwin. But he was already gone when we picked.
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As much as i wanted Kindle to pan out after his injury, i think he's gone after this year. We already cut him to make a spot this year, and then brought him back to the PS. Don't think it will happen again.
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[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355078857' post='1250784']
Kindle is a lost cause. He is a waste of a roster spot.

He is just another in a long line of Wasted draft picks the last few years.

Kruger/Cody/JSMITH/Kindle/Oher/Dickson/Gooden all top 3 Picks that have not panned out.

And before you say anything about Kruger, hes been on the team for 4 years and all his sacks are either coverage or beacuse others are being doubled. He is a situational pass rusher at best and not worth the 2nd rounder we spent on him.
[/quote] Smith still has time, Oher is a serviceable tackle, and If Kruger's situational pass rushing is considered a bust then what do you think of the Seahawks who spent a 1st on a situational pass rusher?
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1355095600' post='1253613']

As spelling is for you.
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I know I dont think I've seen a single post from him with completely correct spelling.
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[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355095652' post='1253621']


And either is logic for you.
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Your statement makes no sense the way you worded it but that's okay.
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[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355095652' post='1253621']
And either is logic for you.
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More poor English. Awesome.

Anyways, this is coming from the guy who thinks Kruger only gets a sack if a QB holds onto the ball for 9 seconds or everyone else is double teamed and he gets a free rush. Kruger was the one getting double teamed against the Steelers, unless you failed to watch that game. Kruger is not the player he was selected to be, but the FO gambled because he's a natural pass rusher. I read an article last week that quoted an AFC front office exec stating that Kruger and Suggs were the only natural pass rushers the Ravens had. Kruger is a good pass rusher, like it or not. JJ was not horrible in coverage, on the contrary when he played with us he was good in his shell zones, as indicated by the guy on this website who has a PFF account. The only thing JJ couldn't do is pass rush.

A guy with 8 sacks is not a busted 2nd round pick. A busted 2nd round pick is Sergio Kindle.
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[quote name='Ngata Chance' timestamp='1355091308' post='1253189']
I love reading your posts. Spelling aside, your irrational, almost troll like hate is like watching a 3 year old have a tantrum. Delicious!

JJ was not great as a rusher. True. But man was he a great backer for us. Why would we put a rookie in his place?

Also, if you recall (and I'm guessing you don't) they tried to make Kruger bulk up and make him a DE. That was a failure, as it made him something he wasn't. So he got his first real opportunity to start this year. And he now has 8 sacks.

If we could find more busts that get 8 sacks, that would be just fine with me.

Insult me all you want. But maybe take a step back and look at really who looks foolish.

Oh, I'm happy with Kruger at the spot we drafted him. Why don't you go back and tell me who you think, with hindsight, you would have gotten? The only one I would have taken in the 2nd was Conner Barwin. But he was already gone when we picked.
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1. Kruger was a rookie for 1 year. His second and 3rd year, he was still a 2nd/3rd stringer and occasional 3rd down pass rusher.

2. JJ was good against the run, but great, not close. He got zero pressure, keeping suggs doubled and was a liability in pass rush. He broke down at the end of games beacuse of his conditioning and age. I loved JJ and he was a tough SOB, but that doesnt make him a great backer.

3. Kruger was a DE at Utah (like his brothers). That was what he was drafted as. Propper vetting by ozzie would have shown he was not a NFL DE and not a every down OLB. He should have been taken in the 4th or later.

4. He is a situational pass rusher. Yes he has 8 sacks, most of them are coverage sacks or beacuse NGATA or suggs are getting doubled. Funny how he did nothing untill SUGGS came back. Today he played well, but that doesnt erase 4 years of medicorcy. Stop making excuses.

5. Who would I have taken over Kruger? While Hindsight is 20/20, Mike Wallace. Even worse than Kruger, was Oher. We could have had Mathews. Suggs +Mathews, imagine that,
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I'd love to be 100% wrong but the first 6 weeks of this season finally helped me put an end to my Kindle hopes, because I felt like if he couldn't even get on the field for this defense as bad as they played, and as pathetic as the pass rush was for the 6 weeks prior to Suggs' return from injury then when will it be time to play for him?

I understand our coaching staff seems to really have issues in the creativity & development department, so perhaps coaching just hasn't given him his chance to play and make an impact, similar to A.Barnes leaving and racking up sacks now.
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I'm gonna go ahead and say Kindle was a bust. I really wish I was wrong because I like the guy's spirit, but I just don't see him returning to where he was at Texas. And I'm giving Jimmy Smith another year, but that's it. Leave it to us to get the one CB who couldn't transition from college to the NFL like Patrick Peterson.
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[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1355096204' post='1253674']


1. Kruger was a rookie for 1 year. His second and 3rd year, he was still a 2nd/3rd stringer and occasional 3rd down pass rusher.

2. JJ was good against the run, but great, not close. He got zero pressure, keeping suggs doubled and was a liability in pass rush. He broke down at the end of games beacuse of his conditioning and age. I loved JJ and he was a tough SOB, but that doesnt make him a great backer.

3. Kruger was a DE at Utah (like his brothers). That was what he was drafted as. Propper vetting by ozzie would have shown he was not a NFL DE and not a every down OLB. He should have been taken in the 4th or later.

4. He is a situational pass rusher. Yes he has 8 sacks, most of them are coverage sacks or beacuse NGATA or suggs are getting doubled. Funny how he did nothing untill SUGGS came back. Today he played well, but that doesnt erase 4 years of medicorcy. Stop making excuses.

5. Who would I have taken over Kruger? While Hindsight is 20/20, Mike Wallace. Even worse than Kruger, was Oher. We could have had Mathews. Suggs +Mathews, imagine that,
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Personal attacks huh? Okay. I won't stoop to your level. Enjoy your hate.
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[quote name='Ngata Chance' timestamp='1355112583' post='1254668']
Personal attacks huh? Okay. I won't stoop to your level. Enjoy your hate.
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Personal Attacks where? If proving you wrong is a personal attack, I don't know what to say.

Too Funny.
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For the record: disagreeing with someone's opinion is NOT a personal attack. It is the basis of debate and discussion.
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Is Sergio Kindle really on the active roster again? I just look at the active roster and it had Kindle on there but who did the ravens cut to bring him back?
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[quote name='EricH' timestamp='1355059613' post='1250097']
So you honestly feel Kindle will be a Raven next season? Or even in the NFL for that matter?
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This^^^
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It's very unfortunate. He apparently had shown a few flashes of skill during practice. We have been keeping him just off of potential... but I hate potential... It's either you have it or you don't and it doesn't appear that he has it anymore.
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Ummm, not trying to be neg. but why are we even talking about Kindle. Is he back on the Team. If so, drop him now. We (RAVENS) wasted enough Time, money and a Roster spot. I could have made a bigger impact.
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I hate to call him a bust. I just can't put him into the same category as Vernon Gholston. I understand he technically is a bust, but there should be an asterisk by it. I'm just sympathetic, I guess. (not saying anyone else isn't.)

With that being said, I don't see him coming back next year. To me, McAdoo has more potential. On top of that; we have guys already on the roster who will be coming back, Adrian Hamilton seems to have huge potential, and future draft picks who will all probably be more deserving of a spot.
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Please let go of the Kindle fascination. If he is even in the NFL at all should not even be considered. He is a bust with that injury and we need to just cut our losses and let him just fade away. What ever talent was saw in him is long gone. Clear the roster spot for a guy who actually can contribute.
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1355032018' post='1250033']
Such a tragedy of a draft pick, honestly! I mean, this guy was an ANIMAL .. what a shame. he can't even get on the field for special teams.
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He was a poor pick. He dropped in the draft beacuse of his injury history AND his off the field crap.
The kid is just dumb. Not only does he get so drunk he facedives off a balcony....... While the whole world is thinking he is not to be trusted and makes bad decions, he goes on to get DUI.

He should have been cut. He has been a waste of a roster spot and money. He blew his chances a long time ago.
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