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Goodell passes along idea of replacing kick-offs...

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Instead of kicking it off now from the 30, teams would then automatically be facing a fourth down and 15 yards to go. The team can then choose to punt or go for it, via fake punt or otherwise. So basically the kick-off would essentially be replaced with the punt, and the onside kick would be replaced with a fourth-down conversion.

This was brought up in the recent Time magazine, and kind of had me mad. But the further I read the article -- I see that Buccaneers head coach Greg Schiano had mentioned the idea to Goodell, so it seems that other teams around the league are considering it.

Great. Just great. As mentioned by several other posters who commented on this article ... why not just make this a touch football league? If this passes -- I am willing to bet the league popularity will drop.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/06/goodell-floats-novel-idea-for-replacing-kickoffs/
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1354810926' post='1248037']
Instead of kicking it off now from the 30, teams would then automatically be facing a fourth down and 15 yards to go. The team can then choose to punt or go for it, via fake punt or otherwise. So basically the kick-off would essentially be replaced with the punt, and the onside kick would be replaced with a fourth-down conversion.

This was brought up in the recent Time magazine, and kind of had me mad. But the further I read the article -- I see that Buccaneers head coach Greg Schiano had mentioned the idea to Goodell, so it seems that other teams around the league are considering it.

Great. Just great. As mentioned by several other posters who commented on this article ... why not just make this a touch football league? If this passes --[b] I am willing to bet the league popularity will drop.[/b]

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/06/goodell-floats-novel-idea-for-replacing-kickoffs/"]http://profootballta...acing-kickoffs/[/url]
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I'm not. People are going to continue to watch the sport no matter what. If you think about it. This rule could actually make the game more interesting. How many ballsy coaches who have to punt on the opening play will try gain momentum right off the bat when the score is 0-0.

It also makes comeback attempts much more exciting because they would be more easily attainable than an on-sides kick.

On top of that, you are making the game safer. You won't have 11 guys gunning as fast as they can down the field creating tons of injuries. Kickoffs have always been the worst in that regard.
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Because punt returns are somehow less "dangerous" than kickoffs?


[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1354812558' post='1248050']
I'm not. People are going to continue to watch the sport no matter what. If you think about it. This rule could actually make the game more interesting. How many ballsy coaches who have to punt on the opening play will try gain momentum right off the bat when the score is 0-0.

It also makes comeback attempts much more exciting because they would be more easily attainable than an on-sides kick.

[b]On top of that, you are making the game safer. You won't have 11 guys gunning as fast as they can down the field creating tons of injuries. Kickoffs have always been the worst in that regard.[/b]
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I feel like you're just splitting hairs at this point. Violent sport is violent.
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Few plays are as electrifying as a kickoff return for a TD, as Jacoby has shown as twice this year. In my opinion, its silly enough that they moved the kickoffs up five yards to create more touchbacks, but eliminating kickoffs altogether? Ridiculous.

And what of those players who make their living on special teams? Or the players whose special teams prowess attracts the attention of the coaches and leads to a bigger role at their respective position? These guys will have even fewer chances to prove themselves.
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This is BS, I hate Goodell, if this rule is passed in the future, consider all 5 of my PSL's up for sale. I'd rather sit home and watch tv then spend 7k+ a year as the commissioner continues to take away what made the sport what it is. If they are that concerned about injury then have players sign some form of waiver.

It just seems like they've opened pandora's box and they want to remove injury from a physical contact sport which is impossible. If people think the sports is too popular to lose fans no matter how many rules are changed they could be in for a surprise.

Special teams would basically disappear or a large part of it. What else next??? No QB contact at all and if the QB doesn't pass they ball in 6 seconds it's a penalty? This is retarded...
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1354812558' post='1248050']
I'm not. People are going to continue to watch the sport no matter what. If you think about it. This rule could actually make the game more interesting. How many ballsy coaches who have to punt on the opening play will try gain momentum right off the bat when the score is 0-0.

It also makes comeback attempts much more exciting because they would be more easily attainable than an on-sides kick.

[b]On top of that, you are making the game safer. You won't have 11 guys gunning as fast as they can down the field creating tons of injuries. Kickoffs have always been the worst in that regard.[/b]
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Roger Goodell is that you?
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[quote name='jus'_crAzy' timestamp='1354813703' post='1248063']
Because punt returns are somehow less "dangerous" than kickoffs?

I feel like you're just splitting hairs at this point. Violent sport is violent.
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First off, I'm not for this proposed change. I can just understand an argument for it and that people wouldn't stop watching.

Two gunners vs. 11. Its been shown that the # of injuries that occur on kickoffs have outweighed punt returns. But just because a sport is violent doesn't mean you can't make it safer for those involved. Especially when said players are getting bigger, stronger and faster.

From Article:[quote]The idea would be to remove completely the high-speed, open-field collisions between large men who dip their heads instinctively at impact and place extra pressure on the C3-C4 area of the spine. While other injuries would be possible during the punt play that replaces the kickoff, the risk of catastrophic injury would be reduced.[/quote]


[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1354818596' post='1248129']
And what of those players who make their living on special teams? Or the players whose special teams prowess attracts the attention of the coaches and leads to a bigger role at their respective position? These guys will have even fewer chances to prove themselves.
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It would be a different story if the size of rosters are changing. I can't see the union allowing this proposed change to pass if that was the case. If not, players are still going to get opportunities. They'll just have to make their presence felt in TC/practice instead. Just switches philosophies.
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this would eliminate players dedicated only for special teams, thus rosters might shrink to defence and offense... though they just approved teams to have 90 players during camp
punting from the 30 for an average of 50 will give the ball to the opposing team at their 20, but returners will try to gain some yards every time and then injuries will get where they are now
take off the hard helmet and the pads and the game will be safer, broken bones heal and less concussions
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1354825250' post='1248213']
Schiano suggested it - that should tell you all you need to know
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What's his motivation is my question. It surely can't be safety because he'll crash down on unexpected victory formations.
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[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1354818596' post='1248129']
Few plays are as electrifying as a kickoff return for a TD, as Jacoby has shown as twice this year. In my opinion, its silly enough that they moved the kickoffs up five yards to create more touchbacks, but eliminating kickoffs altogether? Ridiculous.

And what of those players who make their living on special teams? Or the players whose special teams prowess attracts the attention of the coaches and leads to a bigger role at their respective position? These guys will have even fewer chances to prove themselves.
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Exactly. Where would Devin Heter be without punt returns? It's a very exciting part of the game. Besides, a punt is basically the same as a kickoff.
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Not to mention, I love watching onside kicks. They're so suspenseful. A successful onside kick is quite the sight to behold and really fires up the crowd.
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So who gets the ball at the beginning of the game? I can't seem to locate anything yet since I'm not a TIME subscriber.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1354825793' post='1248219']
What's his motivation is my question. It surely can't be safety because he'll crash down on unexpected victory formations.
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No clue. It's an asinine idea. Serves no purpose.
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[quote name='theblackdog' timestamp='1354830913' post='1248296']
So who gets the ball at the beginning of the game? I can't seem to locate anything yet since I'm not a TIME subscriber.
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Its a coin flip. So if you win the toss you can choose to kick (punt). But ofcourse you can trot your offense out there and try and pick up 15 yards on the first play. If your offense is really, really good. You can score. Get to punt again, but put your offense out there again.
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[quote name='die_hard_raven' timestamp='1354818838' post='1248130']
This is BS, I hate Goodell, if this rule is passed in the future, consider all 5 of my PSL's up for sale. I'd rather sit home and watch tv then spend 7k+ a year as the commissioner continues to take away what made the sport what it is. If they are that concerned about injury then have players sign some form of waiver.

It just seems like they've opened pandora's box and they want to remove injury from a physical contact sport which is impossible. If people think the sports is too popular to lose fans no matter how many rules are changed they could be in for a surprise.

[b]Special teams would basically disappear or a large part of it. What else next??? No QB contact at all and if the QB doesn't pass they ball in 6 seconds it's a penalty? This is retarded...[/b]
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Goodell is trying to eliminate defense, certainly any kind of hard hitting defense. So why not special teams too?
All this talk about player safety from him is a joke. There are a couple of manufacturers that produce concussion resistant helmets. Guess what? There aren't any players that wear them. Why doesn't the NFL make those helmets mandatory?????
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1354831399' post='1248301']
Its a coin flip. So if you win the toss you can choose to kick (punt). But ofcourse you can trot your offense out there and try and pick up 15 yards on the first play. [b]If your offense is really, really good. You can score. Get to punt again, but put your offense out there again.[/b]
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That's exactly what Goodell wants. Every rule change he makes benefits the offense.....
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[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1354824045' post='1248205']
this would eliminate players dedicated only for special teams, thus rosters might shrink to defence and offense... though they just approved teams to have 90 players during camp
punting from the 30 for an average of 50 will give the ball to the opposing team at their 20, but returners will try to gain some yards every time and then injuries will get where they are now
[b]take off the hard helmet and the pads and the game will be safer, broken bones heal and less concussions[/b]
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]This has always been my philosophy. How many players (like James Harrison) do you see launching themselves headfirst once their helmets are gone? And think of it this way... If Nike jerseys make the game 'faster'... taking the helmets and pads away would make it EVEN FASTER!!! FASTER THAN FASTER!![/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
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[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1354835928' post='1248366']
I saw this early and was just like.... -_- if this passes, just...wow.
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Probably will... the NFL has turned into a rubber-stamp congress.
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1354836222' post='1248372']
Probably will... the NFL has turned into a rubber-stamp congress.
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Sigh. I'm sure it will. I understand they are trying to make it "safer" and all, but at the end of the day, unless they make it two-hand touch, injuries are going to happen.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1354838134' post='1248396']
You might as well start out on your own 20 at this rate.
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Roger wants to make this Flag Football doesnt he? Well, he needs to go
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1354825250' post='1248213']
Schiano suggested it - that should tell you all you need to know
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don't know the guy but I bet his team doesn't have a good returner
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could goodell pass a rule about coaches named cam? It would be for safety cause Cam is killing me and others on a weekly basis
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Here's an idea:

Let's get rid of the PAT. Just give them 6 and if they want they can attempt a 2 point conversion. If they fail, they the opposing team gets the ball at the 30. No kickoff. No special teams players hurt during the PAT. We can call it the Gronk rule.

Let's also eliminate kickoffs completely. Do the 4th & 15.

Let's also eliminate hitting & tackling. If a defender makes eye contact with a receiver who is no longer defenseless he is marked down by eye contact. If the receiver is defenseless and the defender makes eye contact then that's a penalty.

The QB has 10 seconds to throw the ball. If he doesn't throw it, it's marked as an incompletion.

The pass rushers can only threaten the QB, they can't hit him. If they want to sack him, they should all stand in front of him and stare at him really mean. This will result in less injuries and more deflected passes.

OL & DL can't move people anymore. They just have to get in each other's way without putting their hands on them.

There you go. The future of the NFL.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1354821015' post='1248157']
Roger Goodell is that you?
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said the person who always whines about the other team trying to intentionally hurt our players...
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[quote name='jus'_crAzy' timestamp='1354813703' post='1248063']
Because punt returns are somehow less "dangerous" than kickoffs?




I feel like you're just splitting hairs at this point. Violent sport is violent.
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Well, yeah. Punt is a lot less dangerous than kickoffs. On kickoffs, guys on both side of the field get a full head of steam and crash into each other. On punts, contact is typically initiated a lot sooner and the collisions are not at full speed.
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