The Optimism Positive Thread Thing That I Always Have To Make After Every Loss

[tctony]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1354578930' post='1245544']

Here we go, Cam!
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Yeah. I want to see what these guys can do without the dead weight that is Cam Cameron

[K-Dog]

Either way. Nothing will change till the season is done.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1354579850' post='1245562']
Either way. Nothing will change till the season is done.
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Yep

[Alexir]

Corey Graham looked good. Kruger as well. Q had a good game, blew his top a little but played good. Tucker is clutch. Koch had a good average.

I thought Ray Rice played well but Cam didn't, so maybe I'm wrong. 12 carries for 84 yards isn't too shabby.

[CalvinSmoke]

I'm growing scared for this franchise, but the guys in the front office know what they're doing. I dont expect us to retain the #2 seed anymore, here's to the post season.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1354580708' post='1245578']
I'm growing scared for this franchise, but the guys in the front office know what they're doing. I dont expect us to retain the #2 seed anymore, here's to the post season.
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Cheers! We dont need homefield, come playoff time Cam seems to be good.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1354560810' post='1245030']
Straight up...Joe is best as a gunslinger. Let him go up-tempo and use 3-WR and 4-WR on the majority of every drive. Boldin should only be in when Leach is out, and Pitta only in the red zone and against certain teams. If he puts up 30 a game, which is what they are capable of when they play Thompson and get Rice involved in diverse ways, no one cares if Flacco has two turnovers.

Harbaugh lives in this mythical land - a land that helped get Brad Childress fired - where you play games "close to the vest" and hope to squeak it out in the end. He doesn't recognize the way his old head coach played last night. Andy Reid used about 25 seconds to move his team into FG range before the half.

If Harbaugh had used his first TO as the Steelers were bringing in the punting unit, Flacco would have had 1:03 and 2 timeouts to get into FG range.

The positive here is that the next head coach of the Ravens can come in and say "I would've gone for it" and - regarding the end of the game - "I would've let them score". Of course, a FG wouldn't have won it if Harbaugh hadn't have given away a possession before the half.
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I agree, as good as Rice is, Flacco needs to call more shots.

[wayne]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1354584332' post='1245649']
I agree, as good as Rice is, Flacco needs to call more shots.
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IDK about this. Think about it, if Flacco was ready and capable of calling the shots which I assume makes the O better, why wouldn't Harbaugh allow it? I want to jump on the " let Flacco just be a gungslinger and call his on shots " bandwagon also but when the offense goes pass crazy, our O looks god awful for the most part and there is lots of evidence to back up that claim. I feel our O is better when we mix it up to an almost 50-50 run to pass ratio and it's lots of evidence to back that up too.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1354585868' post='1245695']
IDK about this. Think about it, if Flacco was ready and capable of calling the shots which I assume makes the O better, why wouldn't Harbaugh allow it? I want to jump on the " let Flacco just be a gungslinger and call his on shots " bandwagon also but when the offense goes pass crazy, our O looks god awful for the most part and there is lots of evidence to back up that claim. I feel our O is better when we mix it up to an almost 50-50 run to pass ratio and it's lots of evidence to back that up too.
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Well, when our O goes pass crazy, we forget that we have Rice. I say balance is the key to sucess, Cam doesnt seem to know that

[wayne]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1354585952' post='1245697']
Well, when our O goes pass crazy, we forget that we have Rice. [b]I say balance is the key to sucess,[/b] Cam doesnt seem to know that
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Agree, that's what I said in my post. " Almost a 50-50 run to pass ratio "

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1354585868' post='1245695']
IDK about this. Think about it, if Flacco was ready and capable of calling the shots which I assume makes the O better, why wouldn't Harbaugh allow it? [u][b]I want to jump on the " let Flacco just be a gungslinger and call his on shots " bandwagon also[/b][/u] but when the offense goes pass crazy, our O looks god awful for the most part and there is lots of evidence to back up that claim. I feel our O is better when we mix it up to an almost 50-50 run to pass ratio and it's lots of evidence to back that up too.
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not me Wayne. absolutely not! after 5 years as the "starting" QB, Flacco isn't ready for that and it is a damn shame.

~Mili

[wayne]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1354586452' post='1245709']
not me Wayne. absolutely not! after 5 years as the "starting" QB, [b]Flacco isn't ready for that [/b]and it is a damn shame.

~Mili
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Lol, and the thing about it is if he's not ready for it now, he probably will never be ready for it. He might have reached his peak and us fans probably have to grasp that realization. He's a good QB when used properly that hits a elite status of play from time to time and that's how I accept him.

[mhead66]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1354525119' post='1244329']
[b]I truly believe Flacco would be in the MVP discussion if they went 3WR/4WR and used the SPEED of [u]Thompson[/u], [u]Reed [/u]and [u]Williams[/u] instead of guys like Pitta, Dickson, and Leach on nearly every play-action play[/b]. Imagine how clear the flat would be for Rice out of the backfield if Boldin was chipping then releasing and there were 3 more WR's out there.

The reason Ravens fans always go "Wow, how did they do that?" when they watch offenses like the Lions, Cowboys and Patriots is because those offenses use space, speed and "illegal contact" rules to make openings near the hash marks and across the middle.

My positives:
*There are likely tops five more games until the nerve-wracking, heartbreaking, addiction of Ravens leaves us with that empty feeling it always does.
*That tackle by David Reed
*Paul Kruger, except when he ran into the QB 1/3 second after he released the ball
*Cam Cameron screwed things up SO BAD that perhaps Joe will refuse to play for him, and we'll get a game plan that suits Joe
*the Rice/Pierce combo will one day be amazing, once Cam mixes things up so they aren't always running against 8-man fronts
*Boldin made some big plays
*Reed's INT
*Pollard played well
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Since this IS the Optimism / Positive Thread, I can understand the comments in the bold... but saying that Flacco would be an MVP candidate if Thompson, Williams and David Reed were regular WRs...

Let me kindly remind you that, in 3 NFL seasons, David Reed has 1 NFL reception, and - so far in his rookie season - Deonte Thompson has 1 reception. Laquan Williams had 4 catches last year, and has zero this season.

Thinking that starting these three would turn Flacco into an "MVP" candidate is a bit over-stated, IMO...

[wayne]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1354587069' post='1245721']
Since this IS the Optimism / Positive Thread, I can understand the comments in the bold... [b]but saying that Flacco would be an MVP candidate if Thompson and David Reed were regular WRs...[/b]

[b]Let me kindly remind you that, in 3 NFL seasons, David Reed has 1 NFL reception, and - so far in his rookie season - Deonte Thompson has 1 reception.

Thinking that starting these two would turn Flacco into an "MVP" candidate is a bit over-stated, IMO..[/b].
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LOL. Not trying to show anyone up but just LOL at how true this post is.

[cobrajet]

OK the big positive for me was our Special Teams. I give them an B+

Punts were great and coverage was good.
Kick offs coverage was good except for the one that they almost broke.
Tucker nailed all the field goals
Our returns were nothing special, but we took a knee when we should have.

This season is the best our special teams have looked in a long time. That unit can hold their heads high.

[cobrajet]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1354572117' post='1245346']
You don't have to call me sir, I am much younger than most of you on here. But I see the positives simply bc I think about it a lot. Strange that the 14 year old has to make this isn't it?
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No, you should be proud. This is a good thread. Kudos to you.

[BMORE_96]

Guys alll is not lost. Everyone loses but only we have made the playoffs 5 times in a row(including this year) and have not done much with it.injuries aside, the ravens can still make noise and let's all pray Suggs is okay.

[GrimCoconut]

Know what I'm optimistic about? Arthur Freak-in Jones, man. Guy is playing at a higher level each game.

[bauer77]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1354594634' post='1245922']
Know what I'm optimistic about? Arthur Freak-in Jones, man. Guy is playing at a higher level each game.
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This. Him and DeAngelo Tyson (although i didn't see him much against the steelers) have me excited for our defensive line when we eventually get back to full health on our defense.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1354594634' post='1245922']
Know what I'm optimistic about? Arthur Freak-in Jones, man. Guy is playing at a higher level each game.
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Me too. He's a stud, and could be a star.
IMHO I usually am positive. But without suggs our D is too injury riddled. I mean, all of our best D players cept Ngata are hurt. Without them, we cannot compete. It's just a fact. The positive from that is higher draft pick. Injuries have made us this seasons Chicago Bears of 2011, cept on D. And they are my pick to win the SB. Our D will be scary good next year. Cam is most likely gone, and Joe can finally thrive. We at full health have the most talented team in the AFC. That's the positive.

[Guest RBates]

Everyone saying fire Cam lets not forget the Head coach was suppose to be taking a more pro- active approach in helping game plan on offense. I'm not saying fire him or Cam they designed the game winning game plan. Our Qb has to play better football.

If we want to go deep into the playoffs Joe is going to have to start winning games and stop managing them. Mental errors late in games is unacceptable for a fifth year QB, playing at home, on his side of the 30 yard line.

We can all be optimistic when the Qb play improves, but we have been waiting for Five years.

[Worthy]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]...how hard can it really be to game plan Rice's 20 touches?[/font][/color]

[b][color=#000000][font=arial, sans-serif]When Rice has touched the ball 20 times or more, the Ravens are 32-10. When he has touched it less than 20 times, the Ravens are 12-10.[/font][/color][/b]

[font="arial, sans-serif"][color="#000000"]Enough said! Honestly, this is a GAME PLANNING and a COACHING loss. Simple as that! [/color][/font]

[color=#000000][font=arial, sans-serif]Cameron cannot adjust in the middle of a game -- and that's why we LOSE and barely win over teams we should be blowing out! [b]With the talent we have -- how is it we're #23 in rushing? and not a top #10 offense? Honestly, this is SCHEME issue and poor game planning each and every week![/b] [/font][/color]

[font="arial, sans-serif"][color="#000000"]We changed our defensive game plan we had 3 weeks ago with Pittsburgh. We need to get back to pressing WRs and forcing teams to beat us over the top -- [b]and guess what by doing so you're forcing teams to throw ED REEDS way![/b] However, I do believe that Pees is learning from his mistakes and makes adjustments! [b]I really miss Pagano! [/b][/color][/font]

[ravensdfan]

I'm going to join the optimism thread. I know everyone's excited now lol

Every season since Flacco has been here, certain forum members lament that we don't have this rookie or that rookie QB. They are suddenly unstoppable and somehow, it is Flacco versus them, not them versus our defense. It's pretty sickening really because the next season when they flop, we never hear about them again lol

This year it is RGIII and Luck. We'll see them both.

Redskins have a rushing defense, so calling for us to play run first etc is just ridiculous. We'll get nowhere except a bunch of 3rd and longs that way. However, they do not have a pass defense, they rank 29th. We will need some screens, slants, crossing patterns, and sideline hits. To use Rice (touches do not have to be runs) we need to get him in space where he can be effective. Now, can Cam do this? I don't know. I know Joe and Torrey are kind of ticked off right now so hopefully they can campaign for less Cam intrusion into the offense.

I think Joe outguns RGIII. Won't be pretty because our pass defense (thank you for all the soft zone Pees) isn't great by any stretch but we win a shoot out.

[bpytnjr58]

One positive is that a team does not have to be 14-2 to win a Super Bowl....Look at the Giants last two appearances.

[The Raven]

I'm trying to find things to be positive about, but I can't find anything other than the record and a few rising stars! I'm usually the most optimistic dude here but damn, what is there to be happy about?

[Gashman]

Funny, I am the only one in the Optimism Happy Pill thread.

I hope the Ravens come out pissing vinegar this weekend. I am getting tired of ineptitude across the board.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1354525119' post='1244329']
I truly believe Flacco would be in the MVP discussion if they went 3WR/4WR and used the SPEED of Thompson, Reed and Williams instead of guys like Pitta, Dickson, and Leach on nearly every play-action play. Imagine how clear the flat would be for Rice out of the backfield if Boldin was chipping then releasing and there were 3 more WR's out there.


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Astute observation! Actually,your point was validated on the 4th and 29 call in SD. It worked! We had 4 receivers guarded by 7 Defensive players and nobody within 20 yards of Ray Rice when he caught the ball. I wondered why we didn't use that formation more often two years ago when we had Houshmansadeh, Stallworth, Mason, Boldin and Heap. I could see no way Pittsburgh could have defended it in the AFC Championship game that year. Unfortunately, we don't coordinate the offense.
Hmmm! Let's see! Isn't Stallworth back in NE again?

[SecretAgentMan]

[Gashman]

More like................ < Crickets >

[A Fish Called Yanda]

My positive: If the offensive playcalling continues to be as terrible as it is right now, we might finally get our wish of having a different OC next year.