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The Optimism Positive Thread Thing That I Always Have To Make After Every Loss

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Ok, ok, ok(Someone else needs to make a positive thread every 4 times a year, god this sucks). Calm down, take a breather, and repeat after Me. All is not lost

The problem here is not Joe, it's not the D, it's not John, it's the team. We as a whole did not show up yesterday. Yes it hurts but we have a two game lead, and if we win out, have second place. With that said, the season is over with Suggs out. IK,IK, as positive thread and bad news but let's consider this

The Defense is a huge part of the blame
Believe it or not THE OFFENSE DID THEIR JOB. They made a critical mistake, but that was a combo of a young Oline, and a mental mistake. But the D should've never let them get inside the 40. They needed a good spot and failed to get their.

I still want Cam gone. If you've known me on these boards, I am prob the biggest Cam hater on the planet. It's true. The scheme is the other half of the blame. The entire Air Coryale system is flawed. We need a new type of offense. The routes take to long to develop.

Now for the positives.
The O did its job see above.

Flacco wasn't as bad as everyone precived. His INT was his fault I agree, but the fumble is also bc of a young O-Line. Too be fair, Harbs using all the Time Outs didn't give him the chance to get the ball back to a clutch QB.

Rice showed up: but why didn't we use him more???????

Kruger and Art are for real. You heard it here first, they're good pass rushers.

Tucker is money
Koch is good
Jacoby is best KR in nfl, but shouldn't be starting at WR

Rg3 is formidable, but if you eliminate him, is their anyone else on the team that scares you? The answer is no. That D is crap. I see a win, if Suggs comes back, He will have a field day, bc that. Line cannot protect. I am not scared of Morris bc at this point, Pees is fighting for his job. Cam is as good as gone.

Remember all isn't lost. Think Positive, we can still pull it off
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The Ravens just need to squeak by through the CIN game. That would let the Ravens clinch easily. And note that the Steelers and Bengals will play each other in Week 16, further weakening the division competition!
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[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1354519153' post='1244308']
The Ravens just need to squeak by through the CIN game. That would let the Ravens clinch easily. And note that the Steelers and Bengals will play each other in Week 16, further weakening the division competition!
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I think Flacco needs to step it up. But yes, we win @Cincy we win the division. But I wouldn't mind having a higher draft pick either.
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very few people feel this way might be nice for the ravens if they actually had fans that liked the team .thanks for the post.
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I truly believe Flacco would be in the MVP discussion if they went 3WR/4WR and used the SPEED of Thompson, Reed and Williams instead of guys like Pitta, Dickson, and Leach on nearly every play-action play. Imagine how clear the flat would be for Rice out of the backfield if Boldin was chipping then releasing and there were 3 more WR's out there.

The reason Ravens fans always go "Wow, how did they do that?" when they watch offenses like the Lions, Cowboys and Patriots is because those offenses use space, speed and "illegal contact" rules to make openings near the hash marks and across the middle.

My positives:
*There are likely tops five more games until the nerve-wracking, heartbreaking, addiction of Ravens leaves us with that empty feeling it always does.
*That tackle by David Reed
*Paul Kruger, except when he ran into the QB 1/3 second after he released the ball
*Cam Cameron screwed things up SO BAD that perhaps Joe will refuse to play for him, and we'll get a game plan that suits Joe
*the Rice/Pierce combo will one day be amazing, once Cam mixes things up so they aren't always running against 8-man fronts
*Boldin made some big plays
*Reed's INT
*Pollard played well
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On the bright side, you (ideally) never have to make this thread often. Why? Because the Ravens don't lose that often.

The down side? You have to make this thread after almost every other game anyway -- we are all spoiled by success. -_-
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I am with you. We lost the game and it hurts. but we are 9-3 and have a 2 game lead in our division. Despite going through some key injuries and other things this team has found a way to get the job done. I believe thewy will continue to do so.
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Let's not forget Corey Graham's great interception. He was quite the pick up this year.
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You learn more from a loss than a win, I expect the guys will be feeling embarrassed and humbled. Next week I think we'll see everyone reach deep down and bounce back.
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The Ravens had the game. HAD it. The Ravens let them off the hook. I can't help but to think that the Ravens stepped off the gas after Rice scored late in the 3rd quarter. Mental mistakes are so underrated. Rarely do the Ravens make killer mistakes, but Flacco's fumble was the killer mistake.

That being said, it would be ridiculous to completely write off the Ravens just because of this game. One game does not determine the entire year, but there are some problems need to address. But what team doesn't have mistakes to address. Peaking in December and January is what is important
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Cam has to go. Our offense is way to talented to be this bad. Earlyer in cam's tenure we could accept crapy O play because there was no one on offense that is no longer the case we have talent everywhere and the fact that cam refuses to adapt his scheme to fit the players that he has just shows how terrible he truly is at OC. I am a big supporter of harbaugh and this team, but it is truly becoming unbearable to watch our Offense.
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ray rice with 13 touches in unexcusable but if you had asked me if we put 20 points would we have won? absolutely.. our defense had mistakes that looked like assignment issues people getting out positions and things like that. the pass rush is the real problem.. were 9-3 im not completely distraught but loses like this make you go crazy. cant wait till next sunday already we control our destiny with denver at home and the giants at home just take care of business.
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Positive's huh?

We are 9-3 and 2 games ahead in the division. That is all. There is very little positive right now when we could not stop Charlie Batch and we have RGIII and the Manning brothers to come.
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[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1354548914' post='1244671']
Positive's huh?

We are 9-3 and 2 games ahead in the division. That is all. There is very little positive right now when we [b]could not stop Charlie Batch and we have RGIII and the Manning brothers to come.[/b]
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Well, If Joe played like he's used to be, you don't see any of those names bothered much. It doesn't matter how good our defense are, our offense need to put some pts and many first downs. Our defense are playing with improvement greatly, but our Cam offense's success is unpredictable like stock market.
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That game is the product of the rivalry. Everyone knew that game would be close. This time, it just didnt swing in our favor. With all due respect, though, Batch gets paid to be a QB in the NFL, back up or not, and he did his job.

Some fans of this team are horrible. If any non fan looked at this board, without knowing our record, one could honestly think we were in the running for the first overall pick in the '13 draft. We are 9-3. Not a pretty 9-3, but this isn't a pretty team. Year after year we have grinded games out and this is no different.

Half of this fan base should turn in their fan card. I hope non of those type people are at the game next weekend because I'll be there. I'll be there to watch us win our 10th game of the year while many of our "fans" sit on their thumbs talking about how bad Flacco is.

Also, Fire Cam.
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[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1354549295' post='1244680']
Well, If Joe played like he's used to be, you don't see any of those names bothered much. It doesn't matter how good our defense are, our offense need to put some pts and many first downs. Our defense are playing with improvement greatly, but our Cam offense's success is unpredictable like stock market.
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I agree on Cam's ineptitude however, our offense, for all their sub par play still managed 20 pts versus the #1 Defense. Our defense however, let Charlie Batch and a make shift O line hold the ball for the last 6 minutes of the game and drive down the field to win.
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[quote name='ravens88' timestamp='1354548613' post='1244658']
ray rice with 13 touches in unexcusable but if you had asked me if we put 20 points would we have won? absolutely.. our defense had mistakes that looked like assignment issues people getting out positions and things like that. the pass rush is the real problem.. were 9-3 im not completely distraught but loses like this make you go crazy. cant wait till next sunday already we control our destiny with denver at home and the giants at home just take care of business.
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We are usually furious after losing to PIT. But we didn't look like we were their to play them. Idc bout losing to them anymore. SKIP will have a field day, but he's an idiot. The Ravens are not done yet.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1354550089' post='1244712']
We are usually furious after losing to PIT. But we didn't look like we were their to play them. Idc bout losing to them anymore. SKIP will have a field day, but he's an idiot. The Ravens are not done yet.
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i agree team seemed flat not really as hype for the steelers as usual, but we are no where near done just gotta get into the playoffs were still very much able to get that second seed.
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[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1354549847' post='1244702']
I agree on Cam's ineptitude however, our offense, for all their sub par play still managed 20 pts versus the #1 Defense. Our defense however, let Charlie Batch and a make shift O line hold the ball for the last 6 minutes of the game and drive down the field to win.
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Defensive ranking is meaningless when 2 divisional, rivalry team going up against each other cuz both defense are pretty much equal; the only difference is the OC and QB.
Joe was rattled all night, making horrible decision, and off on his throws, comparing to Charlie he is worst than him; however, the OC is the key to win the QB battle cuz he will give the best playcalling and let his players to execute.
Cam gave horrific playcallings, sending his WRs going on streak all the time, and when our running game was working so well, he decided to stop completely. On the other hand, our defense were shutting Batch most of the time on the first half, but Todd adjusted his playcallings in the second half with the short passes and middle attacking.
What did Cam adjust? fixing something that isn't broken.....

PS: Cam was helping Joe and Joe wasn't helping himself; when you have off night, don't force it and let your playmakers help you out like RICE?
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Straight up...Joe is best as a gunslinger. Let him go up-tempo and use 3-WR and 4-WR on the majority of every drive. Boldin should only be in when Leach is out, and Pitta only in the red zone and against certain teams. If he puts up 30 a game, which is what they are capable of when they play Thompson and get Rice involved in diverse ways, no one cares if Flacco has two turnovers.

Harbaugh lives in this mythical land - a land that helped get Brad Childress fired - where you play games "close to the vest" and hope to squeak it out in the end. He doesn't recognize the way his old head coach played last night. Andy Reid used about 25 seconds to move his team into FG range before the half.

If Harbaugh had used his first TO as the Steelers were bringing in the punting unit, Flacco would have had 1:03 and 2 timeouts to get into FG range.

The positive here is that the next head coach of the Ravens can come in and say "I would've gone for it" and - regarding the end of the game - "I would've let them score". Of course, a FG wouldn't have won it if Harbaugh hadn't have given away a possession before the half.
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This isn't a "I know better than Cam because I'm so smart" rant.

It's actually incredibly simple.

It's just acknowledging that your offense condenses defenses and rarely puts enough speed out there to counter it.

I'm just playing the percentages because, well, I want the Ravens to be victorious in New Orleans this year.
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Love the idea of the "Positive Thread after a loss" idea Mr Irrelevant. I dont know how you always see the best side of things but it is awesome that you do sir.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1354561584' post='1245045']
Love the idea of the "Positive Thread after a loss" idea Mr Irrelevant. I dont know how you always see the best side of things but it is awesome that you do sir.
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You don't have to call me sir, I am much younger than most of you on here. But I see the positives simply bc I think about it a lot. Strange that the 14 year old has to make this isn't it?
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[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1354527022' post='1244338']
On the bright side, you (ideally) never have to make this thread often. Why? Because the Ravens don't lose that often.

The down side? You have to make this thread after almost every other game anyway -- we are all spoiled by success. -_-
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Not spoiled. The Ravens consistently underperform.

We're good. BUT. Theres always a "but." Consistency - we don't have it.

It's not enough for the Ravens to just make the playoffs or win the division. We expect that. This team and organization needs to take the next step, but they always fall flat and revert to old habits.
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[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1354578490' post='1245533']
Not spoiled. The Ravens consistently underperform.

We're good. BUT. Theres always a "but." Consistency - we don't have it.

It's not enough for the Ravens to just make the playoffs or win the division. [b]We expect that. This team and organization needs to take the next step, but they always fall flat and revert to old habits.
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Here we go, Cam!
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