Joe Flacco assessment and miscellaneous "stuff"

[black blood purple passion]

If Caldwell keeps implementing these wrinkles...I would be inclined to leave him as the OC. He seems compitent enough, and I like the OC/QB coach combo.

It was nice to see a logical progression of play calling instead of Cam's calling where it honestly seemed like he was picking them out of a hat.

[Militant X 1]

caption this....

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[i]"ok John! after watching you guys beat the giants....i get it now! after all of these years i FINALLY get what the fans have been saying about mixing up the play calling and attacking defenses! hey Jim! thanks for shining the light on how it is done. now can i have my job back please?" "please?"[/i]

~Mili

[FerrariFan87]

Flacco increased his QBR by 90 points this week (94.4). This could be the game that propels his career. Only time will tell.

[ellicottraven]

If Flacco plays mistake free football then he will be a really good QB. However, he needs to avoid mistakes. As an example, he threw one in the first half that should have been an easy pick. We got lucky and his play consistently improved as the game went on...

If we play mistake free, then we will be a hard team to stop, especially with the defense playing the way it did!

[Malkavian Raven]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Flacco Stat sig updated... again.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Top left, you will find his QB Ratings for every regular season and post season game starting back in 2008. It's done by 10s, so each pixel represents 10. Anything over 5 got rounded up to the next (ie, 106.7 got rounded up to 11 pixels instead of 10). At the top of each of those columns, red represents a loss, green represents a win.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Directly below that, each gold pixel represents a TD thrown in that game.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]At the bottom, each red pixel there represents an INT.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Below that, each white pixel represents a sack.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]

[BirdWatcher]

[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1356388486' post='1278305']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Flacco Stat sig updated... again.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Top left, you will find his QB Ratings for every regular season and post season game starting back in 2008. It's done by 10s, so each pixel represents 10. Anything over 5 got rounded up to the next (ie, 106.7 got rounded up to 11 pixels instead of 10). At the top of each of those columns, red represents a loss, green represents a win.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Directly below that, each gold pixel represents a TD thrown in that game.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]At the bottom, each red pixel there represents an INT.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Below that, each white pixel represents a sack.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
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Too bad all I see is a blue ?

[Malkavian Raven]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1356389015' post='1278313']
Too bad all I see is a blue ?
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]*waits to see if it goes down*[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]...with any luck, it'll stay up and my sig will appear. [/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]

[arnie_uk]

Can anyone that has time on their hands work out what sort of stats he needs for 90 QB rating and to get his completion percentage up to 60

[Free Agent]

Yesterday's game confirmed something for me. Flacco needs good pass protection.

Flacco isnt a mobile QB. He isnt completely useless out of the pocket, but when he's well protected in the pocket, he shines.

If we want to maximum Flacco's performance, we must ensure that he stays well protected, as he was yesterday, and that he has enough time to throw, as he did yesterday. Bolstering the offensive line should be one of our main focuses this offseason.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1356389315' post='1278320']
Can anyone that has time on their hands work out what sort of stats he needs for 90 QB rating and to get his completion percentage up to 60
[/quote]

He'll need exactly 5 completions on 7 attempts, so he's very close. But in terms of a realistic number of attempts, 19 completions out of 30 attempt will do the trick. While there are several ways to reach the 90 QB rating plateau, one of them happens with the following output: 22/27, 300 yards,1 TD and 0 INTs.

[Malkavian Raven]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1356389315' post='1278320']
Can anyone that has time on their hands work out what sort of stats he needs for 90 QB rating and to get his completion percentage up to 60
[/quote]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]To get his Completion Percentage to 60%, he just needs to go two-for-two on passes.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Getting his QB Rating up to 90 however is a different sort. Saying that he is PERFECT on the day... he'd have go 27/27, 217 yards and 1 TD. That would take him over the 60% completion rate, get him just over a 90 QBR and he'd hit 4000 yards.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Hope that helps.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]

[SecretAgentMan]

I am going to feed the haters

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Barkley... SMH

[Malkavian Raven]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1356405423' post='1278477']
I am going to feed the haters

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Barkley... SMH
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I hate you.. [/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1356405636' post='1278478']
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I hate you.. [/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]

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But seriously Barkley has bust written all over him... Flacco cannot catch a break even on a good week... Sheesh

[ravens__]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1356405423' post='1278477']
I am going to feed the haters

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Barkley... SMH
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Thanks for reminding me why I stay off that website..

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='ravens__' timestamp='1356406238' post='1278481']
Thanks for reminding me why I stay off that website..
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[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='ellicottraven' timestamp='1356370434' post='1277962']
If Flacco plays mistake free football then he will be a really good QB. However, he needs to avoid mistakes. As an example, he threw one in the first half that should have been an easy pick. We got lucky and his play consistently improved as the game went on...

If we play mistake free, then we will be a hard team to stop, especially with the defense playing the way it did!
[/quote]

That wasn't a mistake, it was actually a good read. Flacco's first read was Pitta down the middle on a square in. However, that play was gonna take long to develop and NyG had a free blitzer coming a Joe up the middle. Joe saw it and quick turned his attention to Torrey who had beaten Amukamara by a couple steps.

Because Joe's first read was Pitta down the middle, he knew he had Smith 1on1, because his initial read held Brown the Safety. In the middle of the field. The blitzer got to Joe quickly and that prevented him from stepping into his throw and the ball floated.

Now you might say, Joe just has to take the sack. However on a 3rd and 9, you lose nothing by throwing the ball up deep and giving your guy a chance to make a play. If the pass is picked, it acts almost like a punt, so it doesn't hurt your team much.

It looked bad, but it was actually a pretty good decision by Joe.

[gabefergy]

So I think this little graph is relevant to the discussion. It's PFF weekly grades of Flacco's performance. If course they take a shot at him, but it illustrates a point that I have been making all season. Flacco is great if he is given decent protection, but when the protection breaks down he struggles. There is still room to improve in this area, but what I would love to see is PFF's grades of the Olineman, especially in pass-pro, in those games where Flacco has an awful grade.

[IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/f1il5.jpg[/IMG]

The bad games are Philly, Houston, 2 games vs. Pitt, and Denver. All games where the protection was really shoddy.

[ellicottraven]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1356389315' post='1278320']
Can anyone that has time on their hands work out what sort of stats he needs for 90 QB rating and to get his completion percentage up to 60
[/quote][quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1356407900' post='1278492']
So I think this little graph is relevant to the discussion. It's PFF weekly grades of Flacco's performance. If course they take a shot at him, but it illustrates a point that I have been making all season. Flacco is great if he is given decent protection, but when the protection breaks down he struggles. There is still room to improve in this area, but what I would love to see is PFF's grades of the Olineman, especially in pass-pro, in those games where Flacco has an awful grade.

[img]http://i46.tinypic.com/f1il5.jpg[/img]

The bad games are Philly, Houston, 2 games vs. Pitt, and Denver. All games where the protection was really shoddy.
[/quote]I actually counted his positive grades. They added up to 27.1 and I counted his negative grades which added up to 21.9. If there is a decimal difference forgive me, because I didn't use a calculator. However, based on the averages it is 5.2 divided by 15 games I suppose. That really doesn't add up to much more than average right?

However, I would agree with you that if there is a pass protection grade sheet, that would help get a little more clarity on the issue of Joe Flacco's true effectiveness or lack thereof....

[callahan09]

[quote name='CosmicRedPanda' timestamp='1356401476' post='1278437']


[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]To get his Completion Percentage to 60%, he just needs to go two-for-two on passes.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Getting his QB Rating up to 90 however is a different sort. Saying that he is PERFECT on the day... he'd have go 27/27, 217 yards and 1 TD. That would take him over the 60% completion rate, get him just over a 90 QBR and he'd hit 4000 yards.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Hope that helps.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
[/quote]

A perfect day for Flacco would be something like this:

17/27, 217 yards, 3 TD, 0 int

That gets him exactly to 60%, 4000 yards, and ties 2010 for his most TDs and fewest INTs AND gets him to a 90.0 passer rating. Pretty much seals the deal on a number of statistical milestones for the year.

3 TDs is a lot for Flacco so I think more yards and completions is more likely than more TDs but that can still pass most of those milestones for him:

20/27, 257, 2 TD, 0 INT is a perfectly reasonable performance for Flacco and that would also pass 60%, 4000 yards and 90 qbr.

[Malkavian Raven]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1356409626' post='1278523']
A perfect day for Flacco would be something like this:

17/27, 217 yards, 3 TD, 0 int

That gets him exactly to 60%, 4000 yards, and ties 2010 for his most TDs and fewest INTs AND gets him to a 90.0 passer rating. Pretty much seals the deal on a number of statistical milestones for the year.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]You want to go the realism route.. knock yourself out. [/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]I think yours are doable, mine... not so much.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Sig image make sense?[/i][/font]

[gabefergy]

[quote name='ellicottraven' timestamp='1356409451' post='1278521']
I actually counted his positive grades. They added up to 27.1 and I counted his negative grades which added up to 21.9. If there is a decimal difference forgive me, because I didn't use a calculator. However, based on the averages it is 5.2 divided by 15 games I suppose. That really doesn't add up to much more than average right?

However, I would agree with you that if there is a pass protection grade sheet, that would help get a little more clarity on the issue of Joe Flacco's true effectiveness or lack thereof....
[/quote]

I think your addition is slightly off, but yeah overall his grade is just slightly above average. Part of that is because his bad games are really really bad. On the other hand he at least graded positively in about 2/3 of the games. I would say he is more consistently good than bad, but this graph doesnt tell the whole tale either.

[Malkavian Raven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1356409985' post='1278531']
I think your addition is slightly off, but yeah overall his grade is just slightly above average. Part of that is because his bad games are really really bad. On the other hand he at least graded positively in about 2/3 of the games. I would say he is more consistently good than bad, but this graph doesnt tell the whole tale either.
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[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Maybe the sig image will help.[/i][/font]

[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]~ Cosmic[/i][/font]
[font=trebuchet ms,helvetica,sans-serif][i]2010, that boy was ballin'![/i][/font]

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Just watched the game, and wow that throw to Pitta while scrambling was sooo sick!!!

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='ellicottraven' timestamp='1356409451' post='1278521']
I actually counted his positive grades. They added up to 27.1 and I counted his negative grades which added up to 21.9. If there is a decimal difference forgive me, because I didn't use a calculator. However, based on the averages it is 5.2 divided by 15 games I suppose. That really doesn't add up to much more than average right?

However, I would agree with you that if there is a pass protection grade sheet, that would help get a little more clarity on the issue of Joe Flacco's true effectiveness or lack thereof....
[/quote]well put it like this, over the course of the year, yanda is the only lineman to have a positive pass blocking grade.

Our o line is the 22nd best oline in pass blocking efficiency. That takes into account, sacks, hits, hurries, per passing snap.

[Ravenslifer]

In the last 3 games, Joe has thrown 7 TDs to only 2 picks. To get his previous 7 TDs you have to go back to week 7 believe, against Houston, and he threw 5 picks in those games. Or to put it another way, in the last 2 weeks he's had 2 games with a QBR of 110 or better, while he had 2 in the previous 9 weeks combined. If these are just a few "wrinkles" Caldwell has put in, I really think having an entire offseason to install his offense will do wonders for Joe and everyone else on offense.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1356438815' post='1278632']
In the last 3 games, Joe has thrown 7 TDs to only 2 picks. To get his previous 7 TDs you have to go back to week 7 believe, against Houston, and he threw 5 picks in those games. Or to put it another way, in the last 2 weeks he's had 2 games with a QBR of 110 or better, while he had 2 in the previous 9 weeks combined. If these are just a few "wrinkles" Caldwell has put in, I really think having an entire offseason to install his offense will do wonders for Joe and everyone else on offense.
[/quote]

It's really just scheme more then anything. Same Cam plays different scheme. In the Denver game, Joe and his guys just didn't play well. In that game, Joe missed open Wrs in the first half, that if completed would produce first downs. The offense had good field position in the first half, so a few first downs probably result in points.

Matt Birks' holding hurt, Pitta not making the catch on that slant route hurt. The biggest thing about the NYG game was that Caldwell allowed him to get into a rhythm. A couple of first downs later, Joe's throwing his 1st TD and in a groove. Joe started the Den game with a easy pass to Leach for like 6 yards, however his fumble didn't allow him or the offense to get into a rhythm.

The hardest part about doing anything is getting started and that's what the Ravens couldn't do against the Broncos

[PurpleCorsair]

All I want for christmas is a 4000 season!

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='PurpleCorsair' timestamp='1356452818' post='1278750']
All I want for christmas is a 4000 season!
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I'd rather have a 1,000 yard 8TD 0Int playoffs. I know it's only been 2 games under Caldwell but I like the scheme so far and think it's time for Joe to put this team on his Shoulders for more then one game.

Flacco has all the talent in the world and now has a OC that isn't afraid to run the offense according to what Flacco likes. Flacco has proven he's capable of matching wits with some of the best defenses and defensive minds, so its nothing to he hasn't seen. So he just gotta do it.

There isn't a defense in this playoffs that strike fear to me and now that this offense is actually scheming nd not just running their plays no matter the defensive looks, I love the Ravens chances

[jimmypowder]

Bottom line is Joe can make all the throws if the oline protects well like they did in the Giants game .

If the online plays the remainder of the season like they just did ,we can beat anybody ,including the
Texans and Broncos .