Joe Flacco assessment and miscellaneous "stuff"

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1350871719' post='1199532']
My point is he consistently gets it done in the clutch. If he was qb for the ravens we would have won the superbowl last year. He walked into a bad situation in ATL and has made a lot of improvements for that franchise. Even though he doesn't have a playoff win ironically every team he lost to in the playoffs won the super bowl.
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haha did you see Matt Ryan in the playoffs? He sucks. He is good during the regular season throwing to his PRO BOWL RECEIVERS. He also has had a pro bowl caliber runningback ever since being drafted too. How can you say that is a bad situation. Who did Flacco have when he was drafted Todd Heeeeap? Derrick Mason? Mark "Dropsies" Clayton? Haha if Flacco had Roddy White Julio Jones and Tony Gonzales instead of Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith, and Pitta/Dickson I dont even think we would be talking on this post, rather it would be how Flacco dominated because he has receivers who can actually seperate because they are who they are. In time smith will get better but Flacco has never had the cream of the crop like Matt Ryan does. And ryan has been running that offense left, right, up, and down since day 1. Flacco STILL gets held back by Cam's BS. Matt Ryan is like lebron James...gets it done during the season...but not during the playoffs

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1350871719' post='1199532']
My point is he consistently gets it done in the clutch. If he was qb for the ravens we would have won the superbowl last year. He walked into a bad situation in ATL and has made a lot of improvements for that franchise. Even though he doesn't have a playoff win ironically every team he lost to in the playoffs won the super bowl.
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haha did you see Matt Ryan in the playoffs? He sucks. He is good during the regular season throwing to his PRO BOWL RECEIVERS. He also has had a pro bowl caliber runningback ever since being drafted too. How can you say that is a bad situation. Who did Flacco have when he was drafted Todd Heeeeap? Derrick Mason? Mark "Dropsies" Clayton? Haha if Flacco had Roddy White Julio Jones and Tony Gonzales instead of Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith, and Pitta/Dickson I dont even think we would be talking on this post, rather it would be how Flacco dominated because he has receivers who can actually seperate because they are who they are. In time smith will get better but Flacco has never had the cream of the crop like Matt Ryan does. And ryan has been running that offense left, right, up, and down since day 1. Flacco STILL gets held back by Cam's BS. Matt Ryan is like lebron James...gets it done during the season...but not during the playoffs

[FerrariFan87]

Flacco and Cam are clueless on the Road, for whatever reason... it's that simple.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350889429' post='1199917']
Yeah, I think it would be stating the obvious to say that Flacco played like crap today. Yes, I realize that he had no chance to succeed between our OL, our poor play at WR and as always, Cam Cameron. But, he played just as bad as everyone else did.

But I dont care about that. It happens, not the first and wont be the last; I can take the good with the bad.

What DOES bother me is that at one stretch of the game, [u][b]it looked like every single person on the offense, including Flacco, just gave up early in the third quarter.
Maybe that is just imagined, maybe I was misreading body language, but I dont think that I am...I think they flat out gave up on themselves at one point.[/b][/u]
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i saw it too Fly. i actually felt bad for our squad man and to see what they were going through on national television was heart wrenching. they were getting beat play after play after play and there was nothing they could do about it. i have a saying about things that don't go your way. i call it..."The roof caving in on you!" and man...that is exactly what happened to the Ravens yesterday. at one point, i actually thought that the texans would drop a 50 point burger on us. whew!

~Mili

[PurpleReign92]

Is Joe Flacco looking like the QB of the future or the QB of the past?

[flynismo]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1350917470' post='1200156']
i saw it too Fly. i actually felt bad for our squad man and to see what they were going through on national television was heart wrenching. they were getting beat play after play after play and there was nothing they could do about it. i have a saying about things that don't go your way. i call it..."The roof caving in on you!" and man...that is exactly what happened to the Ravens yesterday. at one point, i actually thought that the texans would drop a 50 point burger on us. whew!

~Mili
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Since a couple of you other guys saw it as well, it makes me feel even worse that my eyes may not be decieving me. I'm not mad about the beating we took. I'm mad, because if it is true, it is a disgrace to our legacy. We have had some real warriors on this team, guys with the heart of a lion. Mason, McGahee, Heap, JJ...I could go on. Those guys made us who and what we are. Never say die...or at least go down swinging, right?

I may have been living in a fantasy land when I thought that the loss of Ray would not be as serious as most think. You cant teach heart.

[flynismo]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1350918116' post='1200183']
Is Joe Flacco looking like the QB of the future or the QB of the past?
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I hope that is a rhetorical question. The answer to that is obvious.

[H8R]

[indent=1]I'm a Joe Flacco supporter... I really am.. I just can't see a top 10 QB having at least 1-2 of these games per season. Usually , when teams are getting blown-out you'll atleast see a mediocre QB pad the stats and start moving the ball... Not Joe, he gets that [i][blank[/i]] look on his face and he just crumbles. One funny thing that killed me yesterday was how Cam started calling screens and quick outs with 4 MINUTES left in the game.... LOl... A little late , CAM! : )[/indent]

[redrum52]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1350878093' post='1199742']
I'd like to point out that Eli had a significantly worse start to his career than Flacco, but you still want Joe gone.
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Defense wasn't as good as ours and Eli had a ring by now.

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350918217' post='1200189']
Since a couple of you other guys saw it as well, it makes me feel even worse that my eyes may not be decieving me. I'm not mad about the beating we took. I'm mad, because if it is true, it is a disgrace to our legacy. We have had some real warriors on this team, guys with the heart of a lion. Mason, McGahee, Heap, JJ...I could go on. Those guys made us who and what we are. Never say die...or at least go down swinging, right?

I may have been living in a fantasy land when I thought that the loss of Ray would not be as serious as most think. You cant teach heart.
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I posted in the game thread saying that the offense as a whole had clocked out. I had said prior to the game I could accept a loss if the team at least showed heart and wasn't blown out. I felt bad for Suggs, Ngata, Reed and KO cause they were out there risking further injury for a team that for the most part didn't seem to care.

[H8R]

3 pivitol points of the game:

The Safety
The interception by Joe to end the half.
The defense allowing Houston to walk down the field after we scored right after half time

It looked like the offense woke up a bit, just to crawl back in their hole after the D couldnt get a stop.
It sure would have been nice to move the ball and get a few more points on those first 3 possesions.


now, the pick six was pretty horrid but we could have overcome that.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350918217' post='1200189']
Since a couple of you other guys saw it as well, it makes me feel even worse that my eyes may not be decieving me. [u][b]I'm not mad about the beating we took. I'm mad, because if it is true, it is a disgrace to our legacy. We have had some real warriors on this team, guys with the heart of a lion[/b][/u]. Mason, McGahee, Heap, JJ...I could go on. Those guys made us who and what we are. Never say die...or at least go down swinging, right?

I may have been living in a fantasy land when I thought that the loss of Ray would not be as serious as most think. [u][b]You cant teach heart.[/b][/u]
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there it is right there! you can't teach heart! either you have it or you don't! and sadly to say, i didn't see that from anyone on our squad yesterday. and i am mad about the beat down because (as you mentioned about our legacy) that type of game and complete domination of our team has not been our legacy. my have things changed! i refuse to believe that we're gonna go out like that though. i expect to see some serious improvements down the stretch.

[flynismo]

[indent=1][quote name='H8R' timestamp='1350918420' post='1200193']One funny thing that killed me yesterday was how Cam started calling screens and quick outs with 4 MINUTES left in the game.... LOl... A little late , CAM! : )[/indent]
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Well, what do you expect from a guy with two first names as his name? The fact that the last name is the formal version of his first is hillbilly genius!

It also saddens me that I may have doomed my eldest son, whose name is Cameron...

[rlh445]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1350915391' post='1200117']
haha did you see Matt Ryan in the playoffs? He sucks. He is good during the regular season throwing to his PRO BOWL RECEIVERS. He also has had a pro bowl caliber runningback ever since being drafted too. How can you say that is a bad situation. Who did Flacco have when he was drafted Todd Heeeeap? Derrick Mason? Mark "Dropsies" Clayton? Haha if Flacco had Roddy White Julio Jones and Tony Gonzales instead of Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith, and Pitta/Dickson I dont even think we would be talking on this post, rather it would be how Flacco dominated because he has receivers who can actually seperate because they are who they are. In time smith will get better but Flacco has never had the cream of the crop like Matt Ryan does. And ryan has been running that offense left, right, up, and down since day 1. Flacco STILL gets held back by Cam's BS. Matt Ryan is like lebron James...gets it done during the season...but not during the playoffs
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Ahahaha I do agree that if Joe had had Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony G and Burner Turner since his rookie year, even WITH Cam he'd probably have taken the team to at least two Superbowls by now . Just the fact that Ryan plays 9 or 10 games a year in his dome and plays in what has been one of the weakest divisions in football AND has that all star set of guys and still can't win a playoff game speaks volumes to me about how much he loves to choke.

Oh yea and I'm sorry Fly and Mili, but I didn't see our guys give up yesterday. I mean they LOOKED like whipped dogs but they didn't stop trying..they were just out of gas. Tandon looked like he was trying and he was hardly in the game . Plus, I'm gonna be that guy and point out that I'm sure it's plenty different when you're the ones being beat like drums versus watching guys get beat like drums. The anguish we all felt as the Texans kept pouring it on was most likely literally being tasted by the Ravens, Hell I'm kinda proud of John for keeping our guys in there as long as he did even though it risked more injuries. I think they're plenty embarrassed, plenty angry and have plenty of fight left for the rest of the year. I'll go on record as saying I don't think the Ravens get beat like that again this entire season.

[billick]

When Ray Rice is left out of the game, we lose.

Our O is not a major bombs away threat.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1350918454' post='1200195']
Defense wasn't as good as ours and Eli had a ring by now.
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I don't know the giants history that well, but I would guess that Manning's O line and receiving corps is and has been a little more stable than Joe's. Flacco has basically been playing with a different group each of his 5 years. Hardly a recipe for consistent success.

[RagingRaven]

The past few games I've noticed a trend that has to go. On 3rd and 2, how can you even think about passing when you have a locomotive like Leach and A back like Rice? Yet, that is the play calling and somehting has to be done about it! Fire the O-coordinator if this continues as it reflects a non-sensical approach and complete situational non-awareness.

As for Flacco, I've always said he is inconsistent and I cannot see him leading this team to the SB. I definately was not impressed with his laughing and joking around on the field after the game. We need a competitor who would be just as happy smashing a blitzer as throwing the ball. I'd even contemplate a Tebow trade, only because he (Tebow) is a gridiron warrior of the caliber we deserve (no way you can knock his competitiveness).

So, I disagree that this was just a bad game for Flacco. It is simply his inability to get the receivers on the same page and make smart decisions; a prerequisite for an "elite" quarterback.

[ratedr]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1350918420' post='1200193']
[indent=1]I'm a Joe Flacco supporter... I really am.. I just can't see a top 10 QB having at least 1-2 of these games per season. Usually , when teams are getting blown-out you'll atleast see a mediocre QB pad the stats and start moving the ball... Not Joe, he gets that [i][blank[/i]] look on his face and he just crumbles. One funny thing that killed me yesterday was how Cam started calling screens and quick outs with 4 MINUTES left in the game.... LOl... A little late , CAM! : )[/indent]
[/quote]I agree. Great QBs can only be contained. Flacco was completely shut down, period. His play on the road for the past 2 years is simply unacceptable. Of the 12 road games we've played since the start of 2011 (including the playoffs) Flacco has only been good in 4 of them (PIT, CIN, STL, NE). You cant have a "sometimes" QB, we can't play all of our games at home. If this is his reality, honestly, he might not be the answer. But I still want to see him under a new OC first, because this is a relatively new phenomenon - I don't remember this happening before last year.

[redrum52]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1350919454' post='1200225']
I don't know the giants history that well, but I would guess that Manning's O line and receiving corps is and has been a little more stable than Joe's. Flacco has basically been playing with a different group each of his 5 years. Hardly a recipe for consistent success.
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I accidentally hit +1. Joe's O line his first and 2nd year were excellent. Even last year and this year they have been very good. I'm tired of it always being the o line. I'll give some of the sacks to play design as well. A major problem with Joe, that continues to be a problem is he plain holds the ball to damn long. I'm watching Dalton play last night and even in his second year he seems to have a better internal clock than Flacco. There have been MANY plays where guys are open and he's just locked into certain players and doesn't hit the open guy. The safety never should've happened yesterday and it seems he's always good for at least 2-3 ROOKIE mistakes a game. Those are things you can't defend.

[bmore187]

A.Rodgers, D.Brees, P.Manning, E.Manning, Big Ben, Philip Rivers, RG3, Matt Schuab , Matt Ryan, Mike Vick, Tom Brady, >

Flacco

Honorable mention = Dalton, C.Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, C.Ponder, Brandon Weeden

[ratedr]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1350920090' post='1200256']
A.Rodgers, D.Brees, P.Manning, E.Manning, Big Ben, Philip Rivers, RG3, Matt Schuab , Matt Ryan, Mike Vick, Tom Brady, >

Flacco

Honorable mention = Dalton, C.Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, C.Ponder, Brandon Weeden
[/quote]Agreed except for Michael Vick, who is terrible at home and on the road. At least Flacco is good at home. I don't think Schaub is better either, but the coaches in Houston know his limits. The coaches here don't know Flacco's limits, apparently.

[bmore187]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350920163' post='1200259']
Agreed e[b]xcept for Michael Vick,[/b] who is terrible at home and on the road. At least Flacco is good at home. I don't think Schaub is better either, but the coaches in Houston know his limits. The coaches here don't know Flacco's limits, apparently.
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Vick is having a bad year but his O-line is far worse then Flacco's and at least Vick will scramble when need be...

[H8R]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1350919983' post='1200249']
I accidentally hit +1. Joe's O line his first and 2nd year were excellent. Even last year and this year they have been very good. I'm tired of it always being the o line. I'll give some of the sacks to play design as well. A major problem with Joe, that continues to be a problem is he plain holds the ball to damn long. I'm watching Dalton play last night and even in his second year he seems to have a better internal clock than Flacco. There have been MANY plays where guys are open and he's just locked into certain players and doesn't hit the open guy. The safety never should've happened yesterday and it seems he's always good for at least 2-3 ROOKIE mistakes a game. Those are things you can't defend.
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Well, Joes big arm may be a detriment to him at times. Daltons whole game is ball control, tempo, quick passes.. Reason why? He doesnt have a big arm. Most of their big plays are in result of AJ Green just being better then everyone else on the field. He actually has open guys to throw to ( a crazy thought for us). The route combinations that Gruden has put together is FAR more superior then ANYTHING Chump CaMORON has put together.

Another thing, how about the 2TE package... has this been trashed?

[H8R]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1350920090' post='1200256']
A.Rodgers, D.Brees, P.Manning, E.Manning, Big Ben, Philip Rivers, RG3, Matt Schuab , Matt Ryan, Mike Vick, Tom Brady, >

Flacco

Honorable mention = Dalton, C.Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, C.Ponder, Brandon Weeden
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you're foolish. lets not get carried away. RGIII?

[H8R]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1350920363' post='1200267']
Vick is having a bad year but his O-line is far worse then Flacco's and at least Vick will scramble when need be...
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Vick is and has ALWAYS been a turn-over machine.

[redrum52]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1350920370' post='1200268']
Well, Joes big arm may be a detriment to him at times. Daltons whole game is ball control, tempo, quick passes.. Reason why? He doesnt have a big arm. Most of their big plays are in result of AJ Green just being better then everyone else on the field. He actually has open guys to throw to ( a crazy thought for us). The route combinations that Gruden has put together is FAR more superior then ANYTHING Chump CaMORON has put together.

Another thing, how about the 2TE package... has this been trashed?
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Oh, don't think I'm letting Cam free. I've been on the fire Cam bandwagon since the first torch was lit and first pitchfork lift.

[flynismo]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1350920090' post='1200256']
A.Rodgers, D.Brees, P.Manning, E.Manning, Big Ben, Philip Rivers, RG3, Matt Schuab , Matt Ryan, Mike Vick, Tom Brady, >

Flacco

Honorable mention = Dalton, C.Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, C.Ponder, Brandon Weeden
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RGIII? Schaub? Vick? Cmon dude...

[chili fries]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350920163' post='1200259']
Agreed except for Michael Vick, who is terrible at home and on the road. At least Flacco is good at home. I don't think Schaub is better either, but the coaches in Houston know his limits. The coaches here don't know Flacco's limits, apparently.
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Rivers has done a lot of sucking over the past two seasons too.

Joe is who he is. It would help to get him some more weapons and getting a new coordinator certainly helped Matt Ryan. Nobody would be talking about him as getting to a new level if he didn't go from Mike Mularkey to Dirk Koetter. Joe still has an upside with the size and big arm, and he can be pretty accurate.

[ratedr]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1350920363' post='1200267']


Vick is having a bad year but his O-line is far worse then Flacco's and at least Vick will scramble when need be...
[/quote]You can't always blame the line. Vick doesn't know how to tuck the ball and is in general a turnover machine. Every single loss they've had has been because of his turnovers, and their wins have been in spite of them.

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350920510' post='1200278']
RGIII? Schaub? Vick? Cmon dude...
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Agreed,
Look up Michael Vick in the dictionary and you will see ex-dog killer who likes to complete passes to defensive backs. Michael Vick couldnt hold on to a football if it was bolted to his hands. Rg3 is overrated, Cam Newton looked better in his rookie season in my opinion. And Schaub ehh its not hard to look great when your throwing to arguably the best wide receiver in the league. And all of them have had better weapons than flacco. Flacco had Derrick Mason and Mark Clayton his rookie season. He still only has boldin and torrey smith to throw to, he doesnt have Snatana Moss, or Pierre garcon or Andre Johnson or desean jackson. As an orginization we didnt make big strides to equip flacco with good weapons and In my opinion that makes a huge difference, unless your last name is Brees Brady manning or rodgers who have been making no namers look like pro bowlers since 1999

[CalvinSmoke]

Joe Flacco is pretty good, I think he's cut from the same physical cloth as Eli Manning, he's just not as sharp as Eli yet. Eli was born in raised to be a QB, but I'm digressing

Joe hasn't had a #1 reciever for his entire career. Anquan Boldin occasionally shows flashes but he just can't do it as much as he'd like. I'm surprised no one has tried to come here to be the #1 reciever because Joe has shown that if your beating your man he will throw it to you, and keep throwing it to you. Even if your open. Joe threw it to Anquan something like 5 straight times against Arizona. If he had someone that was reliable it would change his game, i thought Torrey was that guy but that hasn't happened, not saying it never will but it hasn't happened yet.