Joe Flacco assessment and miscellaneous "stuff"

[atljbo]

[quote name='EricH' timestamp='1350876394' post='1199678']
You made my night!
Thank you for saying that.
[/quote]

Just saying what i see from the outside looking in.... Like i said some of you Raven fans on the inside may know stuff idk but i watch Ravens games if my Falcons is not playin... Just saying what i see.

[ratedr]

4th quarter comebacks is a dumb stat...drive your team 30 yards for a field goal and it's a comeback.

If you don't underachieve all game you don't need a 4th quarter comeback. That's what guys like Skip Bayless use against people like Aaron Rodgers.

[flaccopoe]

What I will say is: run the ball! BAL has Ray Rice, not some schlub. Running on 1st down in particular is great. It gives you multiple options on 2nd and 3rd.

[admartian]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1350876891' post='1199693']
I just dont get posts like this.. Joe Flacco has weapons... 2 Burner WR's .... A good position WR... And Elite RB that can bell him out at anytime... 2 young talented TE's....


The excuses has to stop.... Is James Jones or Jordy Nelson elite or do Rodgers make them Elite...





Not making this a Matt Ryan post but the guy leads the league in 4th quarter combacks since entering the league..You can bring up the playoffs... As a Falcon fan i know its more to it but i wouldnt argue your point that on him not getting it done in the playoffs... But yea the most 4th quarter combacks in the league since he has entered it is clutch
[/quote]lol no.

Roddy White and Julio Jones, a HOF TE that is playing like one is [b][u][i]A LOT BETTER[/i][/u][/b] THAN WHAT WE HAVE We have Rice. And in this passing league, even with short dump offs, that means nothing really (especially when he's not used).

Sorry to say, as respectful as you're being, Matt Ryan has it easy (dome - statistically proven to be better for the passing game) and with a ton more weapons than Joe.

"Young TEs" don't = great, blue-chip weapons like those 3. I'm sorry, but Matt Ryan is nowhere neae the "victim:" that Joe has been. Just relish in your undefeated season, and stop trying to make Ryan the "no respect" guy...

Just face it (respectfully of course) - but you're wrong on this one.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1350876891' post='1199693']
I just dont get posts like this.. Joe Flacco has weapons... 2 Burner WR's .... A good position WR... And Elite RB that can bell him out at anytime... 2 young talented TE's....


The excuses has to stop.... Is James Jones or Jordy Nelson elite or do Rodgers make them Elite...





Not making this a Matt Ryan post but the guy leads the league in 4th quarter combacks since entering the league..You can bring up the playoffs... As a Falcon fan i know its more to it but i wouldnt argue your point that on him not getting it done in the playoffs... But yea the most 4th quarter combacks in the league since he has entered it is clutch
[/quote]The only reason I said that is he only used one game as for his argument. I said nothing about the playoffs

[D-Rey]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1350876891' post='1199693']
I just dont get posts like this.. Joe Flacco has weapons... 2 Burner WR's .... A good position WR... And Elite RB that can bell him out at anytime... 2 young talented TE's....


The excuses has to stop.... Is James Jones or Jordy Nelson elite or do Rodgers make them Elite...





Not making this a Matt Ryan post but the guy leads the league in 4th quarter combacks since entering the league..You can bring up the playoffs... As a Falcon fan i know its more to it but i wouldnt argue your point that on him not getting it done in the playoffs... But yea the most 4th quarter combacks in the league since he has entered it is clutch
[/quote]Rodgers is way better than both, so that doesn't mean much. To be completely fair, Ryans weapons are alot better. Two elite wr and a HOF TE.

[ratedr]

I'm very curious to see what kind of contract Flacco commands at the end of the year, though. But more than anything else I want to see him under a new coordinator. Maybe we should've kept Jim Zorn, this Jekyll/Hyde road behavior didn't start until he left.

[berad]

[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1350876784' post='1199689']
Why is the DAL game considered bad? He had 20 minutes of the ball compared to Romo's 40...I blame Fantasy Football and Madden....
[/quote]

Seriously, he had 9 yards/attempt, we only threw it 26 times. He should be commended for throwing "only" 234 yards... But, somehow, it's a negative

[ratedr]

We have Steelers fans and Falcons fans lurking now, haha.

The team is still 5-2, through it all.

[atljbo]

[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1350877125' post='1199701']
lol no.

Roddy White and Julio Jones, a HOF TE that is playing like one i [b][u][i]A LOT BETTER[/i][/u][/b] THAN WHAT WE HAVE We have Rice. And in this passing league, even with short dump offs, that means nothing really (especially when he's not used).

Sorry to say, as respectful as you're being, Matt Ryan has it easy (dome - statistically proven to be better for the passing game) and with a ton more than Joe.

Just face it (respectfully of course) - but you're wrong on this one.
[/quote]

Im not wrong.... First of all Ryan hasnt always had Tony G and Julio Jones.... 2nd of all .... I never said we didnt have weapons... I love our weapons... In the NFC.... YOU MUST HAVE WEAPONS TO COMPETE.... That doesnt mean Flacco doesnt have weapons to.... I still remember everybody killing our GM for trading up to get Julio Jones.... I even came on here during the draft to talk to you guys about the draft because most are very knowledgeable.... Everyone said our GM trading up for a WR was stupid.. He trade away our future... Our GM knew in this passing leage... You must have weapons... Especially in the NFC facing Eli (Who has ELITE weapons) , Rodgers, and Brees.

[Bravens292]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1350876891' post='1199693']
Not making this a Matt Ryan post but the guy leads the league in 4th quarter combacks since entering the league..You can bring up the playoffs... As a Falcon fan i know its more to it but i wouldnt argue your point that on him not getting it done in the playoffs... But yea the most 4th quarter combacks in the league since he has entered it is clutch
[/quote]

i don't want to make this another flacco vs ryan debate but i think both have clutch games on their resume.

Flacco - @ MIN 2009, @ PIT 2010, @ PIT 2011, vs ARI 2011, @ NE 2011, @ ATL 2010 (we lossed but put us in position to win), to name a few
Ryan - vs CAR 2012, vs BAL 2010 (answered flacco with GW drive), @ NO 2010, @ TB 2010, to name a few of his

they are both equally as clutch but both have had their share of mistakes and struggles. i never like comparing the 2 of them.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1350873910' post='1199623']
I've always thought QBR was a joke
[/quote]

it is a joke,espn made that up,means nothing.

[atljbo]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1350877346' post='1199705']
Rodgers is way better than both, so that doesn't mean much. To be completely fair, Ryans weapons are alot better. Two elite wr and a HOF TE.
[/quote]

SMH.... Ok

[admartian]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1350877580' post='1199715']
Im not wrong.... First of all Ryan hasnt always had Tony G and Julio Jones.... 2nd of all .... I never said we didnt have weapons... I love our weapons... In the NFC.... YOU MUST HAVE WEAPONS TO COMPETE.... That doesnt mean Flacco doesnt have weapons to.... I still remember everybody killing our GM for trading up to get Julio Jones.... I even came on here during the draft to talk to you guys about the draft because most are very knowledgeable.... Everyone said our GM trading up for a WR was stupid.. He trade away our future... Our GM knew in this passing leage... You must have weapons... Especially in the NFC facing Eli (Who has ELITE weapons) , Rodgers, and Brees.
[/quote]Trust me, you are.

[ratedr]

Eli Manning doesn't have elite weapons. His guys have been going down and he's been making due. That's a true elite quarterback.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1350877642' post='1199718']
SMH.... Ok
[/quote]I'm just saying those are facts.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350877684' post='1199720']
Eli Manning doesn't have elite weapons. His guys have been going down and he's been making due. That's a true elite quarterback.
[/quote]Manning confuses me, sometimes he looks great and other times doesn't.

[berad]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1350877642' post='1199718']
SMH.... Ok
[/quote]

You don't agree? That's straight-up true

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1350876980' post='1199696']
Just saying what i see from the outside looking in.... Like i said some of you Raven fans on the inside may know stuff idk but i watch Ravens games if my Falcons is not playin... Just saying what i see.
[/quote]

Since you're talking about ATL, when do you think they'll finally lose?

[atljbo]

[quote name='Bravens292' timestamp='1350877588' post='1199716']
i don't want to make this another flacco vs ryan debate but i think both have clutch games on their resume.

Flacco - @ MIN 2009, @ PIT 2010, @ PIT 2011, vs ARI 2011, @ NE 2011, @ ATL 2010 (we lossed but put us in position to win), to name a few
Ryan - vs CAR 2012, vs BAL 2010 (answered flacco with GW drive), @ NO 2010, @ TB 2010, to name a few of his

they are both equally as clutch but both have had their share of mistakes and struggles. i never like comparing the 2 of them.
[/quote]
I never said Flacco didnt have clutch moments....Its a fact that Ryan leads the league in 4th q combacks... Thats the only thing i was saying


I dont like comparing the 2 either.... They have 2 different scheme... Asking them to do 2 different things.... And have 2 different skillsets

[atljbo]

[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1350877675' post='1199719']
Trust me, you are.
[/quote]

ok

[ratedr]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1350877794' post='1199725']
Manning confuses me, sometimes he looks great and other times doesn't.
[/quote]I've said before that Eli is basically an improved version of Flacco.

Difference is Flacco will alternate great games with crap games. Eli will have a string of crap games then save his string of great games for the end of the season.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1350877838' post='1199729']
I never said Flacco didnt have clutch moments....Its a fact that Ryan leads the league in 4th q combacks... Thats the only thing i was saying


I dont like comparing the 2 either.... They have 2 different scheme... Asking them to do 2 different things.... And have 2 different skillsets
[/quote]But comparing the two is unfortunately gonna happen. Who knows what would happen if they switched teams

[atljbo]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1350877828' post='1199727']
Since you're talking about ATL, when do you think they'll finally lose?
[/quote]

This Philly game worries me..... Not Vick.... But McCoy..... our run D hasnt been up to par even tho our past D is way better.... Also Philly CB's actually match up very well with our WR's... Rulio and Roddy are fast but they more out physical CB's .... Philly has 2 bigger CB's.... Plus Philly has always gave us problems even tho we beat them last year.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350877942' post='1199733']
I've said before that Eli is basically an improved version of Flacco.

Difference is Flacco will alternate great games with crap games. Eli will have a string of crap games then save his string of great games for the end of the season.
[/quote]Yes I agree with this 100%, always thought Flacco was like Manning.

[The Raven]

Flacco played a crap game today. So did everyone else. Flacco screwed the receivers. The receivers screwed Joe. The offensive line screwed Joe. Cam screwed Joe. The majority of the offense sucked.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350877942' post='1199733']
I've said before that Eli is basically an improved version of Flacco.

Difference is Flacco will alternate great games with crap games. Eli will have a string of crap games then save his string of great games for the end of the season.
[/quote]

I'd like to point out that Eli had a significantly worse start to his career than Flacco, but you still want Joe gone.

[berad]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1350878093' post='1199742']
I'd like to point out that Eli had a significantly worse start to his career than Flacco, but you still want Joe gone.
[/quote]

ratedr only hates on the Ravens [i]during [/i]games, otherwise he's very reasonable

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1350878140' post='1199743']
ratedr only hates on the Ravens [i]during [/i]games, otherwise he's very reasonable
[/quote]

I thought I've seen him call for Joe's head, but if I'm wrong I'm sorry.

[berad]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1350878205' post='1199745']
I thought I've seen him call for Joe's head, but if I'm wrong I'm sorry.
[/quote]

He may have but it was probably reactionary