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Joe Flacco assessment and miscellaneous "stuff"

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A lot of us (well atleast I did) expected Flacco to go in and take control of the offense and put up a fight as our defense presumably took a downfall. Well our defense still looked bad...for me questions around our secondary mostly. And Flacco of coarse did not play up to par what so ever and it was his third straight week posting "average stats".

I knew at the end of the first half that people on here would start to bring out the "tyrod" chants and all the other flacco bashing comments. I would like to know the general consensus on Flacco. Like I said he has been in a slump the past three weeks except for the dallas game where he still only threw for 234/TD. But he didnt get it done today.

In my humble opinion I think every QB is entitled to a few ugly games, be it Brady Rodgers Manning every QB has their horrible game every once in a while. Hopefully Joe has a game to remember when we take on the Browns after the bye. I think we would really appreciate seeing Flacco go for 400 yards and a trio of touchdowns in a dominant performance against the Browns in a perfect setting for a blowout bounceback game.

I still think this is Flaccos team and has yet to truly take it over, but that is also becuase no elite qb in this league has a runningback like we do(and every team has a better offensive coordinator hahah) so we cant throw alot on a consistant basis. Down the longrun Joe will improve and start winning games for us.

I know stats dont necessarily win games or tell how skillful a QB is.

BUT just for the record Flaccos worst games this season

Loss VS Eagles- 22/42 232yds TD, INT

Win VS KC- 13/27 187yds 0TD, INT

Win VS Dallas- 17/26 234yds TD

Loss VS Texans 21/43 147yds TD, 2INTs
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Dallas wasn't a bad game for Flacco or the offense

The others were very bad, though
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His INTs were not his fault. And please, he had no time to throw. Thats not a crappy O-Line, its this years beatdown that every team gets.
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My main problem is when Flacc gets hit couple times, he gets rattled pretty fast. Then he starts making dumb throws, and overthrowing open WRs.
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[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1350868580' post='1199406']
My main problem is when Flacc gets hit couple times, he gets rattled pretty fast. Then he starts making dumb throws, and overthrowing open WRs.
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See this in early part of the Pat's game He does something wrong, makes a mistake he getting scared.
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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Tyrod? Really?[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I think what some were saying about Joe, Pro Bowl, MVP was laughable.[/font][/color]
[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The guy is just a good QB, streaky at best.[/font][/color]
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No one said anything about Tyrod. Only the paranoid Flacco homers are.


My only concern is overpaying the average Joe. His not elite, yet we might be forced to pay him an upwards of +13mill for someone that wil never carry the team to SB.
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[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1350869136' post='1199437']
No one said anything about Tyrod. Only the paranoid Flacco homers are.


My only concern is overpaying the average Joe. His not elite, yet we might be forced to pay him an upwards of +13mill for someone that wil never carry the team to SB.
[/quote]Well franchise QBs are worth a lot
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[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1350869364' post='1199444']
Well franchise QBs are worth a lot
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Pay him based on his performance. Else, its not worth keeping him for +7 years.
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I am still pretty set in the Flacco camp.
He played like crap today no doubt but he is far from alone and does not take all the blame.
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Cam is trying to make Flacco into something that he isn't IMO. He's more of a Schaub QB ( a lot better than Schaub ) than a Rodgers / Brady / Rivers / Manning / Brees type of QB. Use him right and he looks like all world but when you don't use him right, he looks like he did today. Yea, the offensive line didn't help him but still.
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[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1350868580' post='1199406']
My main problem is when Flacc gets hit couple times, he gets rattled pretty fast. Then he starts making dumb throws, and overthrowing open WRs.
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very true; he looked scared, therefore his throws were inaccurate....
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I only saw the second half and he looked pretty good then. Just didn't get any help in terms of pass protection or open receivers. And a lot of his misses could've been called defensive PI.
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[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1350868580' post='1199406']
My main problem is when Flacc gets hit couple times, he gets rattled pretty fast. Then he starts making dumb throws, and overthrowing open WRs.
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If they ran the ball more, it will allow for Flacco to regroup himself rather than the very next play putting him out there in the lions den again with him being rattled.
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To me Joe is solid to above average QB at times. He has some glaring flaws though. His pocket awareness is among the worst in the league. If everything doesn't go right during a play, he will fail. O-line has to protect him wide outs must be open. What I'm trying to say is, he isn't a player maker at all when things break down. He will squirm in the pocket then get tackled. I also feel he chokes when the pressure is on him. He has some game winning drives, but in reality who doesn't. Plus Cam is the OC that's a double negative. We don't have anyone better than him on the team or in free agency next year, so we have to resign him.
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Dallas was not a bad game at all. It's not just about yards. He was averaging over 9 yards an attempt, which is very good.

All of the road game have been bad.
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[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1350870952' post='1199497']
To me Joe is solid to above average QB at times. He has some glaring flaws though. His pocket awareness is among the worst in the league. If everything doesn't go right during a play, he will fail. O-line has to protect him wide outs must be open. What I'm trying to say is, he isn't a player maker at all when things break down. He will squirm in the pocket then get tackled. I also feel he chokes when the pressure is on him. He has some game winning drives, but in reality he isn't as clutch as a Matt Ryan. Plus Cam is the OC that's a double negative. We don't have anyone better than him on the team or in free agency next year, so we have to resign him.
[/quote]Lol @ Matt Ryan being clutch.
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[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1350871041' post='1199502']
I honestly believe if we had a better OC, he would be much better
[/quote]Same. This would've been the year to test that theory. Unfortunately we will have to pay him first now.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871024' post='1199500']
Lol @ Matt Ryan being clutch.
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I edited my comment because I would rather not bring up Matt Ryan around here lOOl. He is clutch though, I thought you would notice it when in 2010 he drove down the field on us and won it in the final seconds.
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[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1350871219' post='1199509']
I edited my comment because I would rather not bring up Matt Ryan around here lOOl. He is clutch though, I thought you would notice it when in 2010 he drove down the field on us and won it in the final seconds.
[/quote]Our 23rd ranked pass defense was giving up leads all year in 2010. We let Brian St. Pierre throw an 88 yard bomb on us that year, and he was bagging groceries at Walgreens the week prior.
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[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1350870774' post='1199491']


If they ran the ball more, it will allow for Flacco to regroup himself rather than the very next play putting him out there in the lions den again with him being rattled.
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I agree we started running the ball well getting good chunks, but then our amazing OC decides to stop running.

By the way I dont want to make this a Cam thread, but man ill pull a milli with a SMH.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871325' post='1199511']
Our 23rd ranked pass defense was giving up leads all year in 2010. We let Brian St. Pierre throw an 88 yard bomb on us that year, and he was bagging groceries at Walgreens the week prior.
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My point is he consistently gets it done in the clutch. If he was qb for the ravens we would have won the superbowl last year. He walked into a bad situation in ATL and has made a lot of improvements for that franchise. Even though he doesn't have a playoff win ironically every team he lost to in the playoffs won the super bowl.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871209' post='1199508']
Same. This would've been the year to test that theory. Unfortunately we will have to pay him first now.
[/quote]Honestly if our offense doesn't get going the rest of this year and we don't get rid of Cameron, I think I'm done with Harbaugh despite his success.
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[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1350871719' post='1199532']
My point is he consistently gets it done in the clutch. If he was qb for the ravens we would have won the superbowl last year. He walked into a bad situation in ATL and has made a lot of improvements for that franchise. Even though he doesn't have a playoff win ironically every team he lost to in the playoffs won the super bowl.
[/quote]When? Did he get it done against the Giants when his defense kept it close in the first half? Until I see Matt Ryan get it done against a good team outside a dome I have no reason to believe he would've done better here. Not to mention his offensive weapons have always been fantastic and he routinely played against bad defenses.
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[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1350871737' post='1199533']
Honestly if our offense doesn't get going the rest of this year and we don't get rid of Cameron, I think I'm done with Harbaugh despite his success.
[/quote]Norv Turner is basically done, there's really no excuse to not go after him this year.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871996' post='1199541']
Norv Turner is basically done, there's really no excuse to not go after him this year.
[/quote]we should go after him
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871996' post='1199541']
Norv Turner is basically done, there's really no excuse to not go after him this year.
[/quote]I would stoked if we got him.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871953' post='1199538']
When? Did he get it done against the Giants when his defense kept it close in the first half? Until I see Matt Ryan get it done against a good team outside a dome I have no reason to believe he would've done better here. Not to mention his offensive weapons have always been fantastic and he routinely played against bad defenses.
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LOl the biggest misconception is you have to prove you can win outside a dome. If they continue to play good this season and get home field and get to the super bowl which is new orleans ( dome stadium) and win will it matter?
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I would of put Tyrod in just because that game was way out of control at that point. No coming back from that 30 point deficit in the 4th plus Flacco would probably be mad he was benched and it would light a fire under his buttocks. Offense as a whole was turrible. Turrible turrible turrible.
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[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1350870774' post='1199491']
If they ran the ball more, it will allow for Flacco to regroup himself rather than the very next play putting him out there in the lions den again with him being rattled.
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So Agree!
If he looks a bit rattled, let RR help him out. Instead Cam has him throw. There were a lot of running yards left on the field. :(
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1350872440' post='1199560']
I would of put Tyrod in just because that game was way out of control at that point. No coming back from that 30 point deficit in the 4th plus Flacco would probably be mad he was benched and it would light a fire under his buttocks. Offense as a whole was turrible. Turrible turrible turrible.
[/quote]Not a bad idea at all
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Oline - they stunk up the joint today. didn't give joe 2 seconds on almost every play. they also made Joe throw into a wall when they did give him time. we definitely could've taken them down if they were jumping up so much. Good run blocking was a positive though.

Joe - yes he did not have a good game either. He overthrew his wr's several times and did not adjust to the constant blitzes of the houston backers. i guess cam gives him that ability so its his fault then. He was also not on the same page with his receivers.

wide receivers - what can i say? i guess the receivers ability to beat bump and run coverage last week was a fluke. another struggle for them yet again. its been a problem since mason left and has yet to be solved.

Playcalling - my god did this look like the seattle game offensively. 5 carries for rice in SEA, 9 today. i know we fell behind early but that isn't suppose to signal brady mode just because we were down by 5.
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[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1350871219' post='1199509']
I edited my comment because I would rather not bring up Matt Ryan around here lOOl. He is clutch though, I thought you would notice it when in 2010 he drove down the field on us and won it in the final seconds.
[/quote]One game makes him clutch when Flacco has done it multiple games?
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871996' post='1199541']
Norv Turner is basically done, there's really no excuse to not go after him this year.
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i know i sound like an idiot but what does he bring to the table? i don't watch the chargers at all besides the ravens-chargers games.
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[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1350871219' post='1199509']
I edited my comment because I would rather not bring up Matt Ryan around here lOOl. He is clutch though, I thought you would notice it when in 2010 he drove down the field on us and won it in the final seconds.
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Thats called having elite weapons. Where as he has three, Joe has one.
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[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1350872326' post='1199554']
LOl the biggest misconception is you have to prove you can win outside a dome. If they continue to play good this season and get home field and get to the super bowl which is new orleans ( dome stadium) and win will it matter?
[/quote]I just don't see how he's clutch. Eli? Fine. Matt Ryan? No.

He also gave away that game to the Packers (at home) similar to the way the Ravens screwed up vs. PIT that same way.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1350872917' post='1199574']
Thats called having elite weapons. Where as he has three, Joe has one.
[/quote]Wait who's the elite weapon? I don't think Boldin is, Smith isn't [u][b]yet[/b][/u], Jones isn't, and neither are the TEs
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[quote name='Bravens292' timestamp='1350872857' post='1199572']
i know i sound like an idiot but what does he bring to the table? i don't watch the chargers at all besides the ravens-chargers games.
[/quote]Norv Turner runs a similar offense to Cam already, so it wouldn't be a massive transition, but his playcalling is more creative. There's a reason Rivers didn't want him to get fired.
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[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1350873022' post='1199578']
Wait who's the elite weapon? I don't think Boldin is, Smith isn't [u][b]yet[/b][/u], Jones isn't, and neither are the TEs
[/quote]He was talking about Ryan having elite weapons.
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[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1350873022' post='1199578']
Wait who's the elite weapon? I don't think Boldin is, Smith isn't [u][b]yet[/b][/u], Jones isn't, and neither are the TEs
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I consider Smith to be one, he has size speed, and he is intellegent. Once he learns how to run routes then he is a top 10 WR.
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We know exactly what we have with Joe. An above average QB who can play great/"elite" at times.

When Joe, Cam Cameron, and the OL are all on [b]at the same time[/b][b] [/b]we have a great offense.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1350873102' post='1199583']
I consider Smith to be one, he has size speed, and he is intellegent. Once he learns how to run routes then he is a top 10 WR.
[/quote]Ya that's why I said yet. He isn't yet. I think he will be.
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[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1350873120' post='1199586']
We know exactly what we have with Joe. An above average QB who can play great/"elite" at times.

When Joe, Cam Cameron, and the OL are all on [b]at the same time[/b][b] [/b]we have a great offense.
[/quote]I agree.

He's definitely not elite. 147 yards on 43 attempts is not elite, OL breaking down or not.

He's All Pro at home, but he will never be great until he can play consistently against non-division opponents on the road. This is becoming a serious problem.
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[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1350873120' post='1199586']
We know exactly what we have with Joe. An above average QB who can play great/"elite" at times.

When Joe, Cam Cameron, and the OL are all on [b]at the same time[/b][b] [/b]we have a great offense.
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the bad thing is if we play well, everyone plays well. if we play bad, everyone's bad. it seems like nobody can stand out when things are going the wrong way. Boldin flashed that against arizona and cleveland earlier but other than that nobody has stepped up when our offense was struggling.
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It's an alarming stat, but Schefter brought this up ...


[b] Joe Flacco’s Total QBR, a metric that accounts for everything a QB does, was 0.3 on the 0-100 scale, the lowest rating for any QB since 2008[/b]
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1350873740' post='1199618']
It's an alarming stat, but Schefter brought this up ...


[b] Joe Flacco’s Total QBR, a metric that accounts for everything a QB does, was 0.3 on the 0-100 scale, the lowest rating for any QB since 2008[/b]
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It's not [i]that[/i] alarming when ESPN QBR is complete trash and makes no sense 99% of the time.
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1350873740' post='1199618']
It's an alarming stat, but Schefter brought this up ...


[b] Joe Flacco’s Total QBR, a metric that accounts for everything a QB does, was 0.3 on the 0-100 scale, the lowest rating for any QB since 2008[/b]
[/quote]I've always thought QBR was a joke
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