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Joe Flacco assessment and miscellaneous "stuff"

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A lot of us (well atleast I did) expected Flacco to go in and take control of the offense and put up a fight as our defense presumably took a downfall. Well our defense still looked bad...for me questions around our secondary mostly. And Flacco of coarse did not play up to par what so ever and it was his third straight week posting "average stats".

I knew at the end of the first half that people on here would start to bring out the "tyrod" chants and all the other flacco bashing comments. I would like to know the general consensus on Flacco. Like I said he has been in a slump the past three weeks except for the dallas game where he still only threw for 234/TD. But he didnt get it done today.

In my humble opinion I think every QB is entitled to a few ugly games, be it Brady Rodgers Manning every QB has their horrible game every once in a while. Hopefully Joe has a game to remember when we take on the Browns after the bye. I think we would really appreciate seeing Flacco go for 400 yards and a trio of touchdowns in a dominant performance against the Browns in a perfect setting for a blowout bounceback game.

I still think this is Flaccos team and has yet to truly take it over, but that is also becuase no elite qb in this league has a runningback like we do(and every team has a better offensive coordinator hahah) so we cant throw alot on a consistant basis. Down the longrun Joe will improve and start winning games for us.

I know stats dont necessarily win games or tell how skillful a QB is.

BUT just for the record Flaccos worst games this season

Loss VS Eagles- 22/42 232yds TD, INT

Win VS KC- 13/27 187yds 0TD, INT

Win VS Dallas- 17/26 234yds TD

Loss VS Texans 21/43 147yds TD, 2INTs
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Dallas wasn't a bad game for Flacco or the offense

The others were very bad, though
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His INTs were not his fault. And please, he had no time to throw. Thats not a crappy O-Line, its this years beatdown that every team gets.
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My main problem is when Flacc gets hit couple times, he gets rattled pretty fast. Then he starts making dumb throws, and overthrowing open WRs.
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[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1350868580' post='1199406']
My main problem is when Flacc gets hit couple times, he gets rattled pretty fast. Then he starts making dumb throws, and overthrowing open WRs.
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See this in early part of the Pat's game He does something wrong, makes a mistake he getting scared.
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[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Tyrod? Really?[/font][/color]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I think what some were saying about Joe, Pro Bowl, MVP was laughable.[/font][/color]
[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The guy is just a good QB, streaky at best.[/font][/color]
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No one said anything about Tyrod. Only the paranoid Flacco homers are.


My only concern is overpaying the average Joe. His not elite, yet we might be forced to pay him an upwards of +13mill for someone that wil never carry the team to SB.
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[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1350869136' post='1199437']
No one said anything about Tyrod. Only the paranoid Flacco homers are.


My only concern is overpaying the average Joe. His not elite, yet we might be forced to pay him an upwards of +13mill for someone that wil never carry the team to SB.
[/quote]Well franchise QBs are worth a lot
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[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1350869364' post='1199444']
Well franchise QBs are worth a lot
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Pay him based on his performance. Else, its not worth keeping him for +7 years.
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I am still pretty set in the Flacco camp.
He played like crap today no doubt but he is far from alone and does not take all the blame.
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Cam is trying to make Flacco into something that he isn't IMO. He's more of a Schaub QB ( a lot better than Schaub ) than a Rodgers / Brady / Rivers / Manning / Brees type of QB. Use him right and he looks like all world but when you don't use him right, he looks like he did today. Yea, the offensive line didn't help him but still.
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[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1350868580' post='1199406']
My main problem is when Flacc gets hit couple times, he gets rattled pretty fast. Then he starts making dumb throws, and overthrowing open WRs.
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very true; he looked scared, therefore his throws were inaccurate....
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I only saw the second half and he looked pretty good then. Just didn't get any help in terms of pass protection or open receivers. And a lot of his misses could've been called defensive PI.
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[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1350868580' post='1199406']
My main problem is when Flacc gets hit couple times, he gets rattled pretty fast. Then he starts making dumb throws, and overthrowing open WRs.
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If they ran the ball more, it will allow for Flacco to regroup himself rather than the very next play putting him out there in the lions den again with him being rattled.
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To me Joe is solid to above average QB at times. He has some glaring flaws though. His pocket awareness is among the worst in the league. If everything doesn't go right during a play, he will fail. O-line has to protect him wide outs must be open. What I'm trying to say is, he isn't a player maker at all when things break down. He will squirm in the pocket then get tackled. I also feel he chokes when the pressure is on him. He has some game winning drives, but in reality who doesn't. Plus Cam is the OC that's a double negative. We don't have anyone better than him on the team or in free agency next year, so we have to resign him.
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Dallas was not a bad game at all. It's not just about yards. He was averaging over 9 yards an attempt, which is very good.

All of the road game have been bad.
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[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1350870952' post='1199497']
To me Joe is solid to above average QB at times. He has some glaring flaws though. His pocket awareness is among the worst in the league. If everything doesn't go right during a play, he will fail. O-line has to protect him wide outs must be open. What I'm trying to say is, he isn't a player maker at all when things break down. He will squirm in the pocket then get tackled. I also feel he chokes when the pressure is on him. He has some game winning drives, but in reality he isn't as clutch as a Matt Ryan. Plus Cam is the OC that's a double negative. We don't have anyone better than him on the team or in free agency next year, so we have to resign him.
[/quote]Lol @ Matt Ryan being clutch.
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[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1350871041' post='1199502']
I honestly believe if we had a better OC, he would be much better
[/quote]Same. This would've been the year to test that theory. Unfortunately we will have to pay him first now.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871024' post='1199500']
Lol @ Matt Ryan being clutch.
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I edited my comment because I would rather not bring up Matt Ryan around here lOOl. He is clutch though, I thought you would notice it when in 2010 he drove down the field on us and won it in the final seconds.
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[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1350871219' post='1199509']
I edited my comment because I would rather not bring up Matt Ryan around here lOOl. He is clutch though, I thought you would notice it when in 2010 he drove down the field on us and won it in the final seconds.
[/quote]Our 23rd ranked pass defense was giving up leads all year in 2010. We let Brian St. Pierre throw an 88 yard bomb on us that year, and he was bagging groceries at Walgreens the week prior.
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[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1350870774' post='1199491']


If they ran the ball more, it will allow for Flacco to regroup himself rather than the very next play putting him out there in the lions den again with him being rattled.
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I agree we started running the ball well getting good chunks, but then our amazing OC decides to stop running.

By the way I dont want to make this a Cam thread, but man ill pull a milli with a SMH.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871325' post='1199511']
Our 23rd ranked pass defense was giving up leads all year in 2010. We let Brian St. Pierre throw an 88 yard bomb on us that year, and he was bagging groceries at Walgreens the week prior.
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My point is he consistently gets it done in the clutch. If he was qb for the ravens we would have won the superbowl last year. He walked into a bad situation in ATL and has made a lot of improvements for that franchise. Even though he doesn't have a playoff win ironically every team he lost to in the playoffs won the super bowl.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871209' post='1199508']
Same. This would've been the year to test that theory. Unfortunately we will have to pay him first now.
[/quote]Honestly if our offense doesn't get going the rest of this year and we don't get rid of Cameron, I think I'm done with Harbaugh despite his success.
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[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1350871719' post='1199532']
My point is he consistently gets it done in the clutch. If he was qb for the ravens we would have won the superbowl last year. He walked into a bad situation in ATL and has made a lot of improvements for that franchise. Even though he doesn't have a playoff win ironically every team he lost to in the playoffs won the super bowl.
[/quote]When? Did he get it done against the Giants when his defense kept it close in the first half? Until I see Matt Ryan get it done against a good team outside a dome I have no reason to believe he would've done better here. Not to mention his offensive weapons have always been fantastic and he routinely played against bad defenses.
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[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1350871737' post='1199533']
Honestly if our offense doesn't get going the rest of this year and we don't get rid of Cameron, I think I'm done with Harbaugh despite his success.
[/quote]Norv Turner is basically done, there's really no excuse to not go after him this year.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871996' post='1199541']
Norv Turner is basically done, there's really no excuse to not go after him this year.
[/quote]we should go after him
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871996' post='1199541']
Norv Turner is basically done, there's really no excuse to not go after him this year.
[/quote]I would stoked if we got him.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350871953' post='1199538']
When? Did he get it done against the Giants when his defense kept it close in the first half? Until I see Matt Ryan get it done against a good team outside a dome I have no reason to believe he would've done better here. Not to mention his offensive weapons have always been fantastic and he routinely played against bad defenses.
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LOl the biggest misconception is you have to prove you can win outside a dome. If they continue to play good this season and get home field and get to the super bowl which is new orleans ( dome stadium) and win will it matter?
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