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Back-Up QB? No Longer "Most Popular Guy in Town"

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I'm sure we've all heard (and maybe in the case of Troy Smith, experienced) the saying that a team's back-up quarterback is the most popular guy in town. And, that's probably still true for teams without a great starting quarterback. But, I've noticed something in these forums over the last couple of years, most recently in a thread about whether or not to re-sign Anquan Boldin. The most popular guy in town no longer seems to be our back-up quarterback. It's a young receiver on the bottom on our depth chart.

LaQuan Williams, Tandon Doss, Demetrius Williams, Marcus Smith, Tommy Streeter, Justin Harper, Deonte Thompson. Do any of these names ring a bell? They should if you've been a regular here for a while. Every year there's somebody, usually somebody whose production is no better than the year before while their reputation and support is, who we as Ravens fans follow during the pre-season, analyzing every rare catch that they make, and seeing only the positive route-running or speed in catches they don't make. We see them on the inactive list week after week, and finally feel a rush of excitement when they're activated. We talk of their potential in these forums as much as we talk about players who actually have receptions every week.

Is it like this for every team? We're not the only ones bringing in undrafted, or late-round receivers who have to fight just to make the team. And, surely most of them serve a year or two before being cut and never heard from again, as most NFL players do that only the most loyal of fans knew about to begin with. So, are they analyzed and clamored over as much by fans of teams who seem to be receiver factories like Green Bay and San Diego of years past, or is this just a lasting effect of going so long without a formidable passing attack?

I'm as big a homer as anybody, and I'll pay more attention to Tandon Doss and LaQuan Williams with their combined 9 career catches than I'll pay to any other team's #3 receiver who has a a catch in more weeks than not. But, after Sergio Kindle and two years of hearing how Tandon Doss looks like he plays with Stick'em...in practice...deep down, I think I'm starting to take an "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude.

I don't expect this to change, and I'll be right there with the rest of you thinking about how great so-and-so could be one day, and happily moving to the next project when it doesn't pan out, because, hey, it has to work one day, right? But, all I know is one thing: When it comes to popularity and support grossly outweighing production and even game-time, the back-up quarterback is no longer the most supported and talked about player, at least not in Baltimore. It's that oh-so-close-to-breaking-out receiver who struggles to hold the #4 spot on the depth chart from one year to the next. And, I just can't wait to see what he does this year.
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I hear you brother and I could not agree more with your post. It is funny in a way, I felt the same way toward Laquan, I really like that kid and wanted him to get a lot of playing time this year, but with Jacoby playing so well this year that was not going to happen.
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Jacoby is lighting up on the ST and the offense as well; it's just tough for anyone behind him to catch up on him when it is a rabbit race, and Jacoby is surely a fast rabbit. Besides, it's Cam's offense anyway....
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[quote name='Footman DCXLV' timestamp='1354409424' post='1239956']
I'm sure we've all heard (and maybe in the case of Troy Smith, experienced) the saying that a team's back-up quarterback is the most popular guy in town. And, that's probably still true for teams without a great starting quarterback. But, I've noticed something in these forums over the last couple of years, most recently in a thread about whether or not to re-sign Anquan Boldin. The most popular guy in town no longer seems to be our back-up quarterback. It's a young receiver on the bottom on our depth chart.

LaQuan Williams, Tandon Doss, Demetrius Williams, Marcus Smith, Tommy Streeter, Justin Harper, Deonte Thompson. Do any of these names ring a bell? They should if you've been a regular here for a while. Every year there's somebody, usually somebody whose production is no better than the year before while their reputation and support is, who we as Ravens fans follow during the pre-season, analyzing every rare catch that they make, and seeing only the positive route-running or speed in catches they don't make. We see them on the inactive list week after week, and finally feel a rush of excitement when they're activated. We talk of their potential in these forums as much as we talk about players who actually have receptions every week.

Is it like this for every team? We're not the only ones bringing in undrafted, or late-round receivers who have to fight just to make the team. And, surely most of them serve a year or two before being cut and never heard from again, as most NFL players do that only the most loyal of fans knew about to begin with. So, are they analyzed and clamored over as much by fans of teams who seem to be receiver factories like Green Bay and San Diego of years past, or is this just a lasting effect of going so long without a formidable passing attack?

I'm as big a homer as anybody, and I'll pay more attention to Tandon Doss and LaQuan Williams with their combined 9 career catches than I'll pay to any other team's #3 receiver who has a a catch in more weeks than not. But, after Sergio Kindle and two years of hearing how Tandon Doss looks like he plays with Stick'em...in practice...deep down, I think I'm starting to take an "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude.

I don't expect this to change, and I'll be right there with the rest of you thinking about how great so-and-so could be one day, and happily moving to the next project when it doesn't pan out, because, hey, it has to work one day, right? But, all I know is one thing: When it comes to popularity and support grossly outweighing production and even game-time, the back-up quarterback is no longer the most supported and talked about player, at least not in Baltimore. It's that oh-so-close-to-breaking-out receiver who struggles to hold the #4 spot on the depth chart from one year to the next. And, I just can't wait to see what he does this year.
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i personally am hoping to see streeter out there next season in a big way...
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[quote name='quoth_the_raven_neverscore' timestamp='1354411908' post='1239985']
i personally am hoping to see streeter out there next season in a big way...
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I'd love to see that, too. For years it was "we have the slowest receiving core in the league." Now, we have Smith and Jones. But, we've definitely never had that guy you can just throw a jump-ball to and expect him to get it more often than not. If that huge body could play like we all dream he could, that's a completely new element to an offense like this.
And, that's the whole point of this thread. If just one of these guys lived up to the potential we all think they have, we'd light up the scoreboard. And, if we think they ALL have this kind of potential, who knows? But, I bet every fanbase feels that way. All that matters is what happens on Sundays.
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[quote name='quoth_the_raven_neverscore' timestamp='1354411908' post='1239985']
i personally am hoping to see streeter out there next season in a big way...
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I know EXACTLY what the OP is talking about.
We as fans often do the same thing coaches do with every player during the offseason. We must assume that if they don't play, it's for a reason.
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After Eron Riley, Marcus Smith, and JustiN Harper lol.

I agree with you, as of late it's been an "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude for me as well.
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I once thought (and wrote) that Demetrius Williams would be a big time star for us. Shameful, I know.

People get hyped on not only receivers but also DBs and pass-rushers.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1354421150' post='1240038']
I once thought (and wrote) that Demetrius Williams would be a big time star for us. Shameful, I know.

People get hyped on not only receivers but also DBs and pass-rushers.
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No worries berad, I thought Spiderman was gonna be a great one if we just gave him time and a decent QB.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1354421150' post='1240038']
I once thought (and wrote) that Demetrius Williams would be a big time star for us. Shameful, I know.

People get hyped on not only receivers but also DBs and pass-rushers.
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I thought he'd be great too. He had so many flashes of it too.
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The Jets are in a similar situation- and I'm not talking about Tebow. They had no viable receivers coming into the season and then they lose Holmes for the season. Now they're just experimenting with a bunch of no-names and hoping they pan out, to no avail so far. Same applies to their offensive line, which has been a disaster this year. The Steelers are also now in this situation, what with all the injuries and Mike Wallace's mysterious drop in performance.
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[quote name='Footman DCXLV' timestamp='1354409424' post='1239956']
I'm sure we've all heard (and maybe in the case of Troy Smith, experienced) the saying that a team's back-up quarterback is the most popular guy in town. And, that's probably still true for teams without a great starting quarterback. But, I've noticed something in these forums over the last couple of years, most recently in a thread about whether or not to re-sign Anquan Boldin. The most popular guy in town no longer seems to be our back-up quarterback. It's a young receiver on the bottom on our depth chart.

[b]LaQuan Williams[/b], Tandon Doss, Demetrius Williams, Marcus Smith, Tommy Streeter, Justin Harper, Deonte Thompson. Do any of these names ring a bell? They should if you've been a regular here for a while. Every year there's somebody, usually somebody whose production is no better than the year before while their reputation and support is, who we as Ravens fans follow during the pre-season, analyzing every rare catch that they make, and seeing only the positive route-running or speed in catches they don't make. We see them on the inactive list week after week, and finally feel a rush of excitement when they're activated


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Everyone knows how i feel about LQ Williams and still think this guy needs a opportunity. He already tears it up and is our Fastest gunner on SP.Teams. D.Reed is actually the fastest but he hasn't been in the line up.
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I agree. My issue is that we see our starters have trouble getting open, but the yonger guys aren't given a chance. They must not really be as good as we think. Doss has great hands but what else have we seen from him? He already has a drop (I think 2) in a game as well.

LaQuann is great on special teams though.

The one player I think has a ton of potential is Streeter. Scouts said had he stayed in college for another year he may have been a 1st or 2nd round pick. He is the one receiver on the team that is really underdeveloped more than just not being that great to start. He was put on IR so he pretty much missed out on a year of practice. I thought that was very stupid.


Also[b] remember James Hardy? [/b]We all thought he was the next big thing. Super tall and with good hands. He was out Tommy Streeter of 2011.
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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1354443224' post='1240098']
Deonte Thompson> Tandon Doss.
[/quote]Why because he's fast? Thats all he is lol. Doss is a way better WR than Thompson. Way better hands and route running. I hope Streeter pans out. Imagine Flacco throwing it up to him in the endzone. Not many CBs would be able to beat him.
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[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1354469856' post='1240217']
Why because he's fast? Thats all he is lol. Doss is a way better WR than Thompson. Way better hands and route running. I hope Streeter pans out. Imagine Flacco throwing it up to him in the endzone. Not many CBs would be able to beat him.
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Where has he shown he has good route running? I know it's better than Thompson because of how raw he was but Doss hasn't shown me he has such great route running skills.
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[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1354469856' post='1240217']
Why because he's fast? Thats all he is lol. Doss is a way better WR than Thompson. Way better hands and route running. I hope Streeter pans out. Imagine Flacco throwing it up to him in the endzone. Not many CBs would be able to beat him.
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Agreed. The depth chart is set up where the best receiver is playing.

Torrey > Boldin > Jacoby > Doss > LaQuan > Thompson > Streeter/Reed

If Thompson was that good, he'd be playing. He may have tons of potential, but there's a reason he's this low on the depth chart right now.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1354470274' post='1240223']
Where has he shown he has good route running? I know it's better than Thompson because of how raw he was but Doss hasn't shown me he has such great route running skills.
[/quote]I said he's a better route runner than Thompson which is true. His route running hasn't been bad. Have you seen him play?
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[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1354470293' post='1240224']
Agreed. The depth chart is set up where the best receiver is playing.

Torrey > Boldin > Jacoby > Doss > LaQuan > Thompson > Streeter/Reed

If Thompson was that good, he'd be playing. He may have tons of potential, but there's a reason he's this low on the depth chart right now.
[/quote]Ya I like Thompson, he's just not there yet. And certainly not a better WR than Doss. Doss has played very well when given the opportunities.
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[quote name='quoth_the_raven_neverscore' timestamp='1354411908' post='1239985']



i personally am hoping to see streeter out there next season in a big way...
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How??? We run 2W-1TE sets so who we sitting????
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It's every team, and not just recievers. Late round/UDFA guys are kind of viewed as underdogs to make the team, and everybody loves an underdog unless you are the top dog.
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I still don't like the fact that other teams get their young receivers out on the field early and we never seem to, unless their early draft picks i.e. Clayton and Torrey. Randall Cobb should have been buried in the depth chart last year, instead the Packers played him quite a bit and now he's turned into a dangerous weapon for Rodgers.
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Up in NE before the season half the fans wanted Edelman cut and the others were fanatical about him. He was a pretty good 7th round pick, offense/defense/special teams and the #3 QB to boot.
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Oh god. So many old receivers that people have fallen in love with...Eron Riley, Justin Harper, Demetrius Williams, James Hardy, Clarence Moore, and the list goes on. I want Doss on the field more. Like i said in the Boldin thread, i don't know if we will have the money to bring Boldin back when he becomes a free agent. Doss is like Boldin in so many ways.
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[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1354516791' post='1244287']
Oh god. So many old receivers that people have fallen in love with...Eron Riley, Justin Harper, Demetrius Williams, James Hardy, Clarence Moore, and the list goes on. I want Doss on the field more. Like i said in the Boldin thread, i don't know if we will have the money to bring Boldin back when he becomes a free agent. Doss is like Boldin in so many ways.
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The only thing the same about Doss and Boldin is their position... no receiver can lead; block or run over people on this team like Boldin...
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What's the dif? Flacco overthrows them all.
I am now really questioning his accuracy.
WR's are all pretty talented.

How about using the tight ends more, as well?
Again, the accuracy issue...
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[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1354511206' post='1244214']
I still don't like the fact that other teams get their young receivers out on the field early and we never seem to, unless their early draft picks i.e. Clayton and Torrey. Randall Cobb should have been buried in the depth chart last year, instead the Packers played him quite a bit and now he's turned into a dangerous weapon for Rodgers.
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Don't forget Travis Taylor was out there early...
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[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1354613747' post='1246115']
Don't forget Travis Taylor was out there early...
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And we found out quickly he didn't have it. But he was also a first round pick, as was Clayton - guys like that are expected to be out there. Besides IDK what anyone could do with Elvis Grbac throwing to them. But I guess what I'm trying to say is different - we're in a situation, for the first time in franchise history, where we have 2 capable starting receivers in Q and Torrey. Now we have a capable third guy in Jacoby. We don't need a guy to come in and be a starter, I'd just like to see more of our young players on the field early to get experience and also to give the defenses we face something else to think about. It has to be relatively easy for most teams to game plan for us given we rarely deviate from a 2 WR, 1 TE set.
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