Week 13 - Baltimore Ravens vs. Pittsburgh Steelers

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='bioLarzen' timestamp='1354495930' post='1243077']
Well, we still have 4 games to make up for tonight. If we end up having a bye in the playoffs then who cares.

Oh, and one more good thing: Flacco has just saved a couple of millions of cap space for next season: he must have shaved off quite some of the sum they'll want (unless we end up winning the bling). Not because of the loss, but because he kept making bad deciions - it looked like he had a bet that he'll throw a >30 yarder today. He doesn't look like he's having his contract season so far. the #1 thing people criticized of him was consistency - and so far he's been proving them right. He's awfully inconsistent - and not only in execution, but also in making decisions. I've been a fan of him so far, but this game made me sit back on the fence. Not because we lost, but because he seems to have forgotten he's got options and went back to deep pass attempts after deep pass attempts - with most of them not even near any chance of completition. The Flacco we've seen this season (so far) hasn't proven any of the critics' points wrong while proving many of them right.

He's easily good enough to take the Ravens into the Super Bowl, even to win it - but this season he's been nowhere near "elite" - not even "good" many times...

And the problem is that he's a full-fledged veteran. If he's able to be consistent, he should have shown that by now. He hasn't.

Flacco's at 4th & 29 in proving he's an elite QB material.

As fir the team, we're 9-3, I still say we'll end up 12-4 "as usual". Whether that's good enough for a first round bye depends largely on the Texans v Pats game. Now that we're 2 games down on the Texans, it's suddenly clear we'll have to hope for a Texans-win, for that's about the only game on the Pat's remaining roster they can realistically lose. If they win that, it's gonna be the wild card round, which means an official stepback from last season.

But let's see how the season unfolds.

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I'm beginning to think it's a conspiracy by the organization to keep his price down. That's why they extended Cam when even HE believed he was done here. You can't succeed when the OC takes away the middle of the field in every single solitary game. You can't succeed when your OC gets into the run, run, pass rut for several offensive series every single solitary game. You can't win when your O line, which was doing a good job the first half, all the sudden breaks down completely in the 2nd half. Like I said, you and everyone else here who wants to lay this at Flacco's feet will be crying a different tune if he just decides he's had enough of Cam's handcuffs and goes somewhere else. Because without Cam's incompetence, he'll succeed.

[bioLarzen]

Oh, and one more thing: congratulations to the guy who decided on calling pass games 34 times against the #1 pass D of the league nd only 21 running plays. Sounds like a good plan.

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[ravensdfan]

[quote name='bioLarzen' timestamp='1354496263' post='1243131']
Oh, and one more thing: congratulations to the guy who decided on calling pass games 34 times against the #1 pass D of the league nd only 20 running plays. Sounds like a good plan.

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It's not even the ratio man. It's the situation. True, when we were down there in the red zone that one time, I have no idea why he called two pass plays in a row. Give it to Pierce or Leach and let them bully it in for three downs IMO.

[sflegend89]

We were outplayed for the most part but we STILL should've won with the effort the players gave. Comes down to Cam and Pees. Simply unable to make adjustments on the fly. How about our 1st red zone trip. RR springs forward to the Pitt 4.. we pass 2nd and 3rd kick FG. Our running game was clicking, Leach was in the zone pancaking Hampton and we pass? Why not just line up in the I and let Ray try to get 4 measly yards behind his All-Pro FB. No that would be too easy.. leave it Cam to get fancy when all we need to do is line up and hit them in the mouth and take the very high probability that Ray could get 4 yards on 2 plays with the O-Line clearly getting active in run blocking.


Then of course Pees dials up no pressure on any down except 3rd (predictable).. Instead of sending more heat and playing bump coverage to prevent the screeen/dump offs we just sit back and try to make a play on the ball when clearly they are making short safe throws. Most of the time when fan's say "I could've coached better" they are blowing steam but this is one of those games were plenty of high football IQ fans honestly could've made some obvious call/adjustments. I think our players are SB caliber but our coordinators are hardly capable of even getting us there at this point. One bad game like this from either coordinator (If not both like today) we won't win that playoff game in January.

[bioLarzen]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1354496376' post='1243145']
It's not even the ratio man. It's the situation. True, when we were down there in the red zone that one time, I have no idea why he called two pass plays in a row. Give it to Pierce or Leach and let them bully it in for three downs IMO.
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Well, it's always the situation - but somehow the steelers are still the #1 pass D, and for a reason, i presume: they re effective against the pass...

Maybe it was Flacco deciding on the pass way too many times when he shouldn't have, maybe it was the strategy to surprise them, thinking they'd be caught unawares being attacked at their strongest side... one way or another, it was a catastrophe.

But hey, Flacco's got 4 more games to make up for today. Next week, for example: the Redskins are last-but-first against the pass, the Giants are 25th...

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[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1354495038' post='1242924']
would you have posted if the Ravens won? cause i didn't see you doing so all game.

~Mili
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Considering I posted after the Chargers game, yes I would have and Id still be harping on the same concept. Fact is the Steelers shouldnt be able to beat us at home with their third string QB. We gave them that game with our piss poor play. Again im not knocking the Steelers. They played hard and won, but the Ravens had to play particularly poorly to lose this game given all the advantages we supposedly had (our starting qb, home field etc...). I know about any given Sunday, but these are games a 9-2 team can't and should not lose. They can lose them, but a 9-2 team, ie one that is as good as our record says we are, doesn't give games away and does crush the throats of an oppn on life support when they have the opportunity. But in typical Ravens fashion, we leave the door open for the Steelers instead of putting the nail in the coffin. If we truly are as good as our record says we are, then these are the games we shouldn't lose.

Just to really hammer it home, I am complaining about how we are playing. The end result doesn't matter to me (well it does since I want to win, but not for the sake of my argument). Id rather see a where we play perfectly, mistake free etc... and lose then one where we luck into a win or something similar. Why? Because during playoffs. its the former that is going to win us a lombardi. In playoffs, you can get lucky and win. I mean Tebow vs Steelers shows that. However, you can't rely on luck to carry you through. Winning tough games and the lombardi requires a high level of play and consistency.

Btw this concept isnt new, Tennessee, Jax, Seattle were all games where this piss poor play at the oppns level or below was complained about. The difference is its worse now because we lost at home, where we are supposedly better offensively at least.

Just for the record I dont usually post in the game threads. I think the only two i posted in were last weeks against the Chargers because of the 4th and 29 and this week's because there is no thread in Ravens Talk yet talking about how we played in this game.

[Larryterri]

WE NEVER RUSH THE PASSER!! EVER!! That guy had 30 seconds to throw the damn ball on one down!! WTH?!?!

Grandpa Batch beat us. At home. What will RGIII and the Manning boys do to us? Good thing we settle for a wild card tonight, would have been a hel of a waste of a #2 seed.

Smh... so bad...

Pu Cam and Pees in the same damn yugo and drive them into baltimore harbor.

[poedacrow]

Really wanted to sweep the division[b] and[/b] the stillers this year...meh; 9-3 I'll take it. We can still win the division and earn a first round bye.

Need to Ball So Very, Very Hard from here on out.

[size=5][color=#4B0082][b]Go Ravens![/b][/color][/size]

[SilverMyst]

Now you all know why Baltimore Ravens is scared to give the money to Flacco he choked, made very bad decisions while under pressor and in my eyes lost the game....

[bioLarzen]

One thing seems sure: we'll never get to the top until we find consistency. I was thinking about the last time we played real well two games in a row - and I think we'll have to go back to last season for that. This season we played real well v the Bengals (Week#1), the Pats (W3), the Raiders (W10) - and that's it. The other 6 W's were by either good-enough-to-win kind of performance (like the two Browns games, at Pittsburgh, in SD) or down to luck (yes, Mr. Eisenberg, luck) - the games v. KC, the Cowboys. No team can win the SB without being able to produce consistently good play - and this season we can't. We'll go to the playoffs, we may even win a game there - but, to go to the SB we'd need at least 2 great games in a row (3 if we have to play in the wild card round), and need at least 3 great games to win the SB. The 2012 Ravens doesn't seem to be able to play two great games in a row. Ergo, without a sudden strike of consistency, the 2012 Ravens won't go to the Super Bowl.

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[Larryterri]

And there it is...

[url="http://www.nfl.com/playoffs/playoff-picture"]http://www.nfl.com/playoffs/playoff-picture[/url]

[Gordo52]

Sick to my stomach. But ready to put this game behind us, still just sickening

[Gordo52]

[quote name='SilverMyst' timestamp='1354497327' post='1243316']
Now you all know why Baltimore Ravens is scared to give the money to Flacco he choked, made very bad decisions while under pressor and in my eyes lost the game....
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Wasn't just flaccos fault. And alot of other teams wish they had a qb like him, he had a bad game

[Larryterri]

That playoff picture has me confused, should we own the head to head tie breaker over NE? Or is it because its a 3 way with Denver?

[flaccopoe]

I don't think we gave PIT enough. They have a Top 3 D, an elite TE and some fierce RBs. I'm still confident we will win the division. We just have to beat CIN and not lose any giveaway games.

[SilverMyst]

[quote name='Larryterri' timestamp='1354498411' post='1243470']
That playoff picture has me confused, should we own the head to head tie breaker over NE? Or is it because its a 3 way with Denver?
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Your right we should be second seed im sure it's not official but then again you know how the nfl loves the pats over the ravens....

[biggkatt01]

First Let me start by saying I luv my ravens, But i'm a true honest footbal fan when its time to chear my team i chear them but when it's time to point out the faults i point them out that is what a real true blood fotball fan does. the reason for the lost today is 3 fold the OC The D and our QB but keeping it real you have to lay the blame where most of it lies and that is at the feet of Joe Flacco when the season first started joe complained because he wasn't being considered by the media as an elite QB well when Flacco gets the chance to prove the media and people on this forum wrong he never takes it flacco was drafted in 2008 and is often as he should be compared to another QB from that draft Matty Ice Matt Ryan. every year Matt Ryan shows improvement and evry year Flacco takes a step back. Before everyone starts to flame let me explain Flacco if not always most of the time in the pocket he looks uncomfortable and may I say down right scared he often misses open recievers or just over throws them completely he isn't able to feel the pass ruch coming as most of the elite Qbs in the league can which leads to him 1) holding the ball and taking a sack at the wrong time 2) getting sacked and fumbling the ball 3) throwing an unadvised stupid inerception. Today we got what Flacco is a so so QB that is only going to get you so far in this league. Today Flacco had a chance to quite some like myself who believes he isn't aan elite QB but today Flacco showed he couldn't even beat a 3rd string QB in his house he let a #rd string QB come into his house and out play him. Now we are stuck paying this so so QB Tom Brady,Arron Rodgers,Matt Ryan and Peyton Manning type money which in my opinion is just stupid those other players have earend that money Flacco has not. I know allot of you on here are going to flame me because I dare to say what is the truth but I will say it again I bleed Raven purple but i'm a real raven I say what I know is the truth and allot of you o here should do the same thing if you luv this team like I do we shouldn't have to settle for a so so QB that wants elite QB money lets start keeping it real on these forums please

[Larryterri]

[quote name='biggkatt01' timestamp='1354499278' post='1243561']
First Let me start by saying I luv my ravens, But i'm a true honest footbal fan when its time to chear my team i chear them but when it's time to point out the faults i point them out that is what a real true blood fotball fan does. the reason for the lost today is 3 fold the OC The D and our QB but keeping it real you have to lay the blame where most of it lies and that is at the feet of Joe Flacco when the season first started joe complained because he wasn't being considered by the media as an elite QB well when Flacco gets the chance to prove the media and people on this forum wrong he never takes it flacco was drafted in 2008 and is often as he should be compared to another QB from that draft Matty Ice Matt Ryan. every year Matt Ryan shows improvement and evry year Flacco takes a step back. Before everyone starts to flame let me explain Flacco if not always most of the time in the pocket he looks uncomfortable and may I say down right scared he often misses open recievers or just over throws them completely he isn't able to feel the pass ruch coming as most of the elite Qbs in the league can which leads to him 1) holding the ball and taking a sack at the wrong time 2) getting sacked and fumbling the ball 3) throwing an unadvised stupid inerception. Today we got what Flacco is a so so QB that is only going to get you so far in this league. Today Flacco had a chance to quite some like myself who believes he isn't aan elite QB but today Flacco showed he couldn't even beat a 3rd string QB in his house he let a #rd string QB come into his house and out play him. Now we are stuck paying this so so QB Tom Brady,Arron Rodgers,Matt Ryan and Peyton Manning type money which in my opinion is just stupid those other players have earend that money Flacco has not. I know allot of you on here are going to flame me because I dare to say what is the truth but I will say it again I bleed Raven purple but i'm a real raven I say what I know is the truth and allot of you o here should do the same thing if you luv this team like I do we shouldn't have to settle for a so so QB that wants elite QB money lets start keeping it real on these forums please
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^ this

[SilverMyst]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1354498084' post='1243420']
Wasn't just flaccos fault. And alot of other teams wish they had a qb like him, he had a bad game
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yes i'm sure you are right but to give the ball back right after we got it was the game decision he made a bad decision he should of took the sack and still had the ball .... instead of a miller touch down....

[biggkatt01]

He has allot of so called bad games Pitt got that last touch down because Flacco did like he does most of the time he fumbles the bal or give it up in our end of the feild at the wrong damn time. He's has had more then enough time to prove himself before he had the D the bail him out of his mistakes now he doesn't. Arron Rodgers and Tom Brady have had defences that just sucked but htey were so good at scoring they over came the bad defensive play Flacco isn't anywhere as good as that but he should be in his 4th year Matt Ryan has shown what is the making of an elite QB it really doesn't do the team or the fan base any good trying to make it seem like he is something he isn't I nevver said Flacco was a George,Mcoy or those bums but he is a so so QB not worth all the money he is going to want his play is subpar and is bad plays out ways his good ones i'm just keeping it real like I said everyone should also do the same

[bioLarzen]

For thos who think the playoiff-rankings are inaccurate: they aren't, because now it's a three-way tie with the Broncos and the Pats and since we haven't yet played v the Broncos, there's no complete set of head-to-head games. so, right now the record against the divisional opponents counts. It's gonna be all different after we play v. the Broncos. If we win, we have the edge over both of them, because we beat both. If they win and it ends up being a three-way tie, the divisional record is the decider.

As I said, IMHO whoever loses the Broncos v. Ravens game is out of the first round bys conversation.

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[bioLarzen]

[quote name='biggkatt01' timestamp='1354501552' post='1243753']
He has allot of so called bad games Pitt got that last touch down because Flacco did like he does most of the time he fumbles the bal or give it up in our end of the feild at the wrong damn time. He's has had more then enough time to prove himself before he had the D the bail him out of his mistakes now he doesn't. Arron Rodgers and Tom Brady have had defences that just sucked but htey were so good at scoring they over came the bad defensive play Flacco isn't anywhere as good as that but he should be in his 4th year Matt Ryan has shown what is the making of an elite QB it really doesn't do the team or the fan base any good trying to make it seem like he is something he isn't I nevver said Flacco was a George,Mcoy or those bums but he is a so so QB not worth all the money he is going to want his play is subpar and is bad plays out ways his good ones i'm just keeping it real like I said everyone should also do the same
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The QB alone will never win a game in the NFL. Rodgers and Brady are so successful because they have consistently good WR's and TE's. What a great QB can achieve with an OK WR- and TE-corps is very well demonstrated by the Redskins or the Colts this season... They got a very mobile, very agile, very accurate QB's that meet or even surpass all expectations - still they're 5-6 and 8-4 - playing a much easier schedule than we do.

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[SilverMyst]

[quote name='bioLarzen' timestamp='1354501942' post='1243773']
The QB alone will never win a game in the NFL. Rodgers and Brady are so successful because they have consistently good WR's and TE's. What a great QB can achieve with an OK WR- and TE-corps is very well demonstrated by the Redskins or the Colts this season... They got a very mobile, very agile, very accurate QB's that meet or even surpass all expectations - still they're 5-6 and 8-4 - playing a much easier schedule than we do.

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Im sure flacco knows what he did wrong and thats sad because he can't correct it.... at least Brady,Rogers,and even Brees knows what to do to correct it....

For the games to come....

I don't see us beating RGIII because we couldn't even stop a third string quarter back....

Vs The Bronco's sorry But really... one word Manning

Vs Gaints well Yet another Manning that woke up

Vs Bangels Thats a toss up but then again we aren't playing at home (not that matters any more)

don't get me wrong i bleed Black and Purple and i love my Team but i see maybe one more win and thats it....
and if they don't clean up thier act they may just lose out....

[Moderator 2]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1354497951' post='1243405']
Sick to my stomach. But ready to put this game behind us, still just sickening
[/quote]So am I, the energy just did not seem to be there, the team seemed a half a step behind all game--not sure what it was

[Ravenglenn]

[quote name='SilverMyst' timestamp='1354504208' post='1243911']
Im sure flacco knows what he did wrong and thats sad because he can't correct it.... at least Brady,Rogers,and even Brees knows what to do to correct it....

For the games to come....

I don't see us beating RGIII because we couldn't even stop a third string quarter back....

Vs The Bronco's sorry But really... one word Manning

Vs Gaints well Yet another Manning that woke up

Vs Bangels Thats a toss up but then again we aren't playing at home (not that matters any more)

don't get me wrong i bleed Black and Purple and i love my Team but i see maybe one more win and thats it....
and if they don't clean up thier act they may just lose out....
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I hear you. It's because we love our team so much that it hurts so much. Your analysis if the next 4 games is the same conclusion I've come to. I certainly hope it doesn't play out that way, but in the long run, I've started to wonder if the Ravens have been hurt by the great wins we've pulled out over the last few years and the 13-3 and 12-4 seasons in that it's more than likely saved Cam's job, which has been a glaring negative.

[biggkatt01]

[quote name='bioLarzen' timestamp='1354501942' post='1243773']
The QB alone will never win a game in the NFL. Rodgers and Brady are so successful because they have consistently good WR's and TE's. What a great QB can achieve with an OK WR- and TE-corps is very well demonstrated by the Redskins or the Colts this season... They got a very mobile, very agile, very accurate QB's that meet or even surpass all expectations - still they're 5-6 and 8-4 - playing a much easier schedule than we do.

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You say a QB alone can't win games with ok WR and TE i'm not trying to be disrespectful to you or your point of view in anyway shape of form but do you watch our NFL or are you watching the Canadian footbal league Peyton Manning went to a team with subpar WRs and TEs and he's winning games and it's because he makes plays and he gets those receivers the balland he makes them better players, then why is it that some weeks our receivers go wild and others there ok as you say it starts at one spot and that's the QB Flacco hs had 4 years to show what he has and we have done nothing but bring in receivers ad everyone just would like to believe it's them we could have Calvin johnson,Andre Johnson,Brandon marshall and wes Welker and it wouldn't amount to nothing if you don't have a good Qb to get them the ball. If you ask me you hav it backwards our receivers aren't ok its our QB that's just ok and the sooner everyone decides to except that then the better off we will be I told you I luv my team but i'm just not one of those zombie fans like some that believe oh my eam is just super oh we have all the parts being a football fan a true footbal fan means you luv your team but you know when you have problems on it. last year our QB,OC and DC were problems this year it's the same thing you can take my words to forition as long as Flacco is our QB we wont get that top prise that we want and if you want to keep it real about things Joe Flacco has never beaten the Steelers while Big Ben has been at QB. That's what elite QBs do they make there recievers better. and I guess when Peyton comes here and beats Flacco head to head that will be and easy schedule I guess it will be they have Peyton all we have is Flacco the bum.

[Moderator 2]

The Ravens beat the Steelers home opener 35-7 and Ben played in that game so the assumption Joe has never beat Ben is false.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1354494545' post='1242819']


Ummm wheres Reed and Flacco?
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What did Ed do? I didn't see the complete game....

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='bioLarzen' timestamp='1354501578' post='1243755']
For thos who think the playoiff-rankings are inaccurate: they aren't, because now it's a three-way tie with the Broncos and the Pats and since we haven't yet played v the Broncos, there's no complete set of head-to-head games. so, right now the record against the divisional opponents counts. It's gonna be all different after we play v. the Broncos. If we win, we have the edge over both of them, because we beat both. If they win and it ends up being a three-way tie, the divisional record is the decider.

As I said, IMHO whoever loses the Broncos v. Ravens game is out of the first round bys conversation.

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Unless we lose to the Skins and they have a better record right?

[PuRock]

Don't worry. I'll be banning myself from posting pool pics for the rest of the year.