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Very Interesting article on Flacco.

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I'm usually not one to put a lot of effort in reading to many articles on peoples opinions on Flacco, but this makes a lot of sense to me.

[url="http://nfl.si.com/2012/11/28/break-it-down-why-is-joe-flacco-a-better-qb-at-home/?sct=nfl_wr_a2"]http://nfl.si.com/20.../?sct=nfl_wr_a2[/url]
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Hate to be "that guy who turns it into a Cam thread" but holy crap look at all the ridiculous and unnecessary deep routes!
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1354138698' post='1237401']
Hate to be "that guy who turns it into a Cam thread" but holy crap look at all the ridiculous and unnecessary deep routes!
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Ha
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thanks for the article. bout time someone uses good reasoning for their opinions and i can agree with a lot of his points.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1354138698' post='1237401']
Hate to be "that guy who turns it into a Cam thread" but holy crap look at all the ridiculous and unnecessary deep routes!
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yeah that was the first thing i noticed too but i expected that coming from him.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1354138698' post='1237401']
Hate to be "that guy who turns it into a Cam thread" but holy crap look at all the ridiculous and unnecessary deep routes!
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Air Coryell at its finest.LOL
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Very good article. I like the comment about flacco needing to "just play ball" instead of worrying about his protection.

Easier said then done though.

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For much of the SD game, Flacco was under duress. I think it does affect him when he isnt confident about being protected. He doesnt want to get sacked and have the possibility of a big negative play or turnover. I've said it before and it still rings true, in many of our road games the Oline has performed poorly. Part of that is probably due to poor communication and part is just getting beat physically. The play-calling also puts the line (and Flacco) in 3rd and longs far too often.

I also think Joe plays at his best when he is up against the wall. He almost always come through in the clutch. When we need a big drive to either take the lead or hold onto one he makes the necessary plays. The only times I can think where we could have won and didnt were last year in NE (we all know the reasons for that), 2009 in NE (Mark Clayton Drop), 2009 in Min (Haushka miss FG), 2010 home against Pitt (cant try a 50 yd FG?), 2010 playoffs at Pitt (Boldin and Housh drops), and this year in Philly ( Jones BS OPI, bad playcalling), and last year in Jax where Flacco threw the INT to end it. Really the only game where Flacco didnt do his job was against Jax and maybe the home game against Pitt in 2010.
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I somewhat agree with the article. Joe also missed Q down the sidelines wide open. Those two big plays to pitta and Q are not only helpful to put points on the board, but giving confidence to Joe, Cam, and also taking the aggression out of defenses. Joe just needs to be confident and even if their is pressure around him. He should make subtle movements to buy more time for the wide receivers.
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Great article. I find it the most logical of all answers. If that is the case then Flacco needs to trust his receivers more and let it fly. The guy has a gun for an arm and some very good players around him.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1354142600' post='1237475']
Great article. I find it the most logical of all answers. If that is the case then Flacco needs to trust his receivers more and let it fly. The guy has a gun for an arm and some very good players around him.
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He seems more afraid of making mistakes in away games then in home games. It all ties in.
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I think this all goes back to what I've been saying all seasonal get him 5 or 6 easy completions early, pa rollout, dump off to a te or leach. A quick WR screen to Torrey, a crossing route to boldin, a simple curl hitch route, a dump off to rice. Spread it around, for easy completions early and joe normally plays great.

Try bombs for the get go, complete 3 or 4 of his first 10 and its Normally a bad game
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Thanks for the article.

I do believe confidence plays a big part with Flacco is this area.

Yes, allowing him a oppurtunity to get into the flow of the game should be a serious strategy, something that falls on Cameron.

I do hope the Ravens allow Caldwell to take charge of the offense. That should prove quantifiable results with Joe.
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[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1354142545' post='1237474']
I somewhat agree with the article. Joe also missed Q down the sidelines wide open. Those two big plays to pitta and Q are not only helpful to put points on the board, but giving confidence to Joe, Cam, and also taking the aggression out of defenses. Joe just needs to be confident and even if their is pressure around him. He should make subtle movements to buy more time for the wide receivers.
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I think Joe put the ball exactly where it needed to be on that throw to Q, if he was a half step faster it should have been caught.
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[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1354142713' post='1237481']
He seems more afraid of making mistakes in away games then in home games. It all ties in.
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Yep. People seem to think Flacco overthrows a lot of guys but I think he is just playing it safe. In the examples they gave with Pitta up the middle he was surrounded by the defense but well thrown ball would have easily gotten there. I think in away games he's more worried it will be picked that he overthrows it so the defense has no chance but the offensive player can make a play on the ball and have a chance.

Same thing happened when Boldin was open down the sideline.
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Clearly, at least based on the article Flacco is far more jittery and lacks confidence on the road. How do you overcome that? Is there a way or does he just need a few good breaks on the road to gain that confidence so he can perform well? I suppose so, but the challenge and risk is that we have very few games left (2) for Flacco to gain that and prep us for a challenging playoff run.

Will Flacco be able to overcome his problems on the road and lead us to the promised land? I don't know - a lot depends on how he copes with the road demons in his head. Alternately, here is another possibility nobody looks at. He is in his contract year. Is it possible that he does not want to fail on the road, so he is ultra conservative? Well, the fact is, he is hurting his chances of getting what he wants with the quality of his play on the road for sure....
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Confidence is definitely a massive part of it.

What drives me crazy is we basically have two options for the first play of the game: either Ray Rice runs it, or we throw a deep ball. The chances of making a completion on a deep ball on the first play of the game are pretty slim (unless the defense misplays our offense), and thus we end up with 2nd and 10 and have a harder time getting the first down.

As soon as our offense starts to sputter, it looks like Joe takes all of the weight on his own shoulders, and then becomes too cautious and cannot make quick decisions to throw to open WRs. This just snowballs as Flacco becomes more cautious, and our offense continues to sputter.

I think a big factor is the play calling. We seem to have a very generic offense, no crossing routes, and as people above mentioned, a ton of deep routes. Opposing defenses must have an easy time preparing for our offense, and we don't throw anything different at them, so their coverage is excellent.
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I'm hoping the conservative playcalling is to throw oppenents off guard come playoff time when we throw out our best stuff.
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If this is Flacco's first season with such a road/home disparity (and I don't feel like looking all the stats up) then I wonder why the sudden change...
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[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1354287927' post='1238699']
If this is Flacco's first season with such a road/home disparity (and I don't feel like looking all the stats up) then I wonder why the sudden change...
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Edit: My graphs got all messed up, so to simplify it:


2012: 108.3 / 70.2
2011: 84.0 / 78.2
2010: 104.4 / 84.7
2009: 101.5 / 75.8
2008: 66.8 / 91.7

Career: 92.9 Home, 80.2 Road

Last year, he wasn't great at home or on the road, but in 2010 and 2009 there was the same kind of discrepancy as there is this year, while interestingly enough in 2008 it was reversed: he was much better on the road than at home.

This year is his best ever at home, and his worst ever on the road, so the discrepancy is the biggest its ever been.
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[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1354296850' post='1238794']
Edit: My graphs got all messed up, so to simplify it:


2012: 108.3 / 70.2
2011: 84.0 / 78.2
2010: 104.4 / 84.7
2009: 101.5 / 75.8
2008: 66.8 / 91.7

Career: 92.9 Home, 80.2 Road

Last year, he wasn't great at home or on the road, but in 2010 and 2009 there was the same kind of discrepancy as there is this year, while interestingly enough in 2008 it was reversed: he was much better on the road than at home.

This year is his best ever at home, and his worst ever on the road, so the discrepancy is the biggest its ever been.
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Thanks for those stats. :)
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I also think that some of it is he is more confident in the rest of the players when at home. He has a confidence that everyone is hype to be playing at home and are playing at 110%. He is not as sure of the rest of the team when he is on the road. He is not as sure that turning the ball over won't cost the game. At home he is more sure that the defense will keep that from happening.
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Flacco is finally getting some props. Was watching NFLAM and Casserly said he has finally taken the next steps to becoming an elite QB and i agree.
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I really enjoyed the article, to bad the breakdown was against statistcally bad football teams. Flacco is jumpy on the road. He tends to overthrow and underthrow the football alot. Then the announcers try to cover for Flacco with the (must have been a miscommunication nonsense). Stop it ,,,,, The guy just has been playing poorly on the road. Nothing follows
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