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Why Boldin should be re-signed

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I've been listening to the general consensus around these forums and it seems most don't expect Boldin back next year. I have to disagree. Everyone seems to be operating under the fact that Doss will simply take up his role but I have some points why I think Boldin can and will stay.

1. Veteran Presence- Boldin is the only true veteran receiver on this team. Jacoby Jones has been in the league 6 years but has nowhere near the experience and success Boldin has had throughout his career. The young guys look up to him and he has tremendous leadership. Larry Fitzgerald credits a lot of his success to Boldin which says a lot especially since Boldin was teaching him while only in his second year in the league.

Also if Cam Cameron is on his way out and a new system is brought in, Boldin will be the first to get it. He has the experience to do such a thing. You saw the issues the young defensive players had adjusting to Dean Pees. (Though some of it can be credited to the absence of Suggs.)

2. Route Running- Boldin is hands down the best route runner on the team. When up against top corners route running is crucial to getting open. It's why Torrey has been shut down on multiple occasions. No other receiver on the team comes close. He's not the most explosive but can shake veteran corners.

3. Physicality- Boldin is by far the most physical receiver on the team. Those want Doss to replace him because Doss is the mold of a possession receiver but he is also 20 pound lighter than Boldin. Doss has great hands of a possession receiver but Boldin beats him with his physicality and toughness. Just look at how he mauls corners within the first 5 yards. I don't even need to mention the block in the Chargers game.

4. Resurgance- Boldin was brought in to be a number 1 receiver, something that never could happen. Torrey Smith will clearly be the number 1 and has now demanded the other team's top corner. Boldin has always been a number 2. He and Larry Fitzgerald both topped 1400 yards in 2005 and while Torrey will never gain the respect Fitz does, he still demands the top corner while Boldin excels against the second string guys.

5. Clutch- Yes Boldin has had some drops, but he has made so many plays to make up for it. Doss has drops too in the little time he has played. Hell, I watch Cardinals games frequently and even Fitz drops some crucial passes, it happens. But Boldin has showed us this year and especially in the Cardinals game last year that he can step up when he needs to.




I really hope you read these points and will agree with me. Boldin won't demand a high contract. He knows he isn't a top receiver and I'm sure after watching guys like Brandon Lloyd or Chad Johnson, and other receivers switch teams and have little success that he won't demand much. He can stick with the team he has chemistry with and still be a contender year after year, something players in his stage crave.
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i agree with this as well. i'm convinced he would return to cardinal form if cam left because its a false assumption to say he's been slowing down. i still think he hasn't changed but with cams easy scheme, he makes it look hard for boldin to get open. i'm on board to keep him. i think people forgot what we lost in redding and boldins absence will be twice as exaggerated than cory's.
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You want him to re-sign, not resign.

But if you were Boldin, why re-sign here if you have the opportunity to leave and catch balls from Brees or Manning or Brady and become a Pro-bowler working the slot?
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1354067143' post='1236600']
You want him to re-sign, not resign.
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Lol, I realized that right when I hit post.
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[quote name='Bravens292' timestamp='1354066990' post='1236594']
i agree with this as well. i'm convinced he would return to cardinal form if cam left because its a false assumption to say he's been slowing down. i still think he hasn't changed but with cams easy scheme, he makes it look hard for boldin to get open. i'm on board to keep him. i think people forgot what we lost in redding and boldins absence will be twice as exaggerated than cory's.
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Agreed. I didn't mention it because we have no idea whether Cam will be back and I didn't want the thread to be about Cam Cameron or no Cam Cameron. Truth is Boldin was never a fast guy. He got open because of route running and physicality but for some reason Cam's schemes don't allow him to do this as well. He also has been demanding top Corners many of which play off and force him to give up that physicality he brings. Being up against 2nd string corners has helped him.
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I don't think anyone here is really questioning his abilities, besides getting separation nowadays. Fortunately for Boldin, he plays very physical which can negate parts of the lack of separation.

The real issue here is the money. Teams don't pay $7.5 million for an aging receiver. If he accepts less, the absolutely, I'd love to have him back. If he wants his full salary though, I'd prefer he be cut. Doss has fantastic hands at 1/10th of the cost of Boldin. Sure, it's a lot to expect Doss to take over Boldin's role, but that day is coming. It's unfortunate since Boldin has been the ultimate professional, but that time comes in every player's career. Boldin's day is coming soon.
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I rather pass on re-signing him. We need to get younger and he is struggling to get open.
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Also, in regards to point #3, Doss has brought his weight up. He was in the 215-220 range during camp supposedly.
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I cant really disagree with any of your points, but the NFL is still a business and the Ravens are always tight against the cap. I dont think anyone assumes Doss can just replace Q, but he costs 6M less so that has to be factored into the equation.

Ideally I would like too see Boldin extended for maybe 3 years 13-14M and give him a nice chunk, say 5-6M up front. That said, there are a lot of players who will be up for FA that the FO probably wants to retain starting with Flacco and Reed, but also Kruger, Ellerbe, Cary, Pitta, Dickson, and Jacoby while under contract has a very backloaded deal that leaves his roster spot a question mark . Hopefully, Flacco gets a long term deal done which will free up some cap space but if he is Franchisef it will put us in a tough spot.
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I hope we re-sign him simply for his veteran presence, and not to mention Flacco seems to look for him just like he used to look for Mason. Boldin has had multiple games in the last few years when he has stepped up and provided a solid option for Flacco.

This is all providing that we have the money to bring him back. I don't think he will demand a bunch of money, but if we wanna bring back guys such as Kruger, Ellerbe, Reed, (etc.), we may simply just not have the money for him.
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1354067927' post='1236618']
I rather pass on re-signing him. We need to get younger and he is struggling to get open.
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That doesn't always work. Unless we draft a receiver in the first two round I don't expect anything major. Doss hasn't been able to have much impact in the time he has played and while he has a ton of potential, I don't expect a sudden breakout season. This happened last year when JJ and Redding left. We were getting younger at those positions and everyone thought it would be a giant improvement and it failed miserably. Vets are Vets and sometimes the young athletic guys don't outplay them in the first few years.

Yes the receiver position needs to get younger but you don't just throw a position of the team into a nose dive to do so which happened this year.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1354069025' post='1236649']
That doesn't always work. Unless we draft a receiver in the first two round I don't expect anything major. Doss hasn't been able to have much impact in the time he has played and while he has a ton of potential, I don't expect a sudden breakout season. This happened last year when JJ and Redding left. We were getting younger at those positions and everyone thought it would be a giant improvement and it failed miserably.

Yes the receiver position needs to get younger but you don't just throw a position of the team into a nose dive to do so which happened this year.
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True, Id say keep Q until Tommy and Tandon are ready.
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[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1354068480' post='1236635']
I hope we re-sign him simply for his veteran presence, and not to mention Flacco seems to look for him just like he used to look for Mason. Boldin has had multiple games in the last few years when he has stepped up and provided a solid option for Flacco.

This is all providing that we have the money to bring him back. I don't think he will demand a bunch of money, but if we wanna bring back guys such as Kruger, Ellerbe, Reed, (etc.), we may simply just not have the money for him.
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It's not really a matter of resigning. It's probably either an extension for less money or he gets cut. But then again maybe Ozzie keeps him around to play out his contract.

Tldr: he has one more year but is overpaid.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1354069025' post='1236649']
That doesn't always work. Unless we draft a receiver in the first two round I don't expect anything major. Doss hasn't been able to have much impact in the time he has played and while he has a ton of potential, I don't expect a sudden breakout season. This happened last year when JJ and Redding left. We were getting younger at those positions and everyone thought it would be a giant improvement and it failed miserably. Vets are Vets and sometimes the young athletic guys don't outplay them in the first few years.

Yes the receiver position needs to get younger but you don't just throw a position of the team into a nose dive to do so which happened this year.
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I understand your point, but how long can we keep these guys on the bench? By the time Boldin's new contract (if he were to get one) would be up, Doss would be on the bench or playing sparingly for 4 years or so. He needs to get an opportunity at some point, and a receiver with diminishing skills shouldn't hold him back.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1354069025' post='1236649']
That doesn't always work. Unless we draft a receiver in the first two round I don't expect anything major. Doss hasn't been able to have much impact in the time he has played and while he has a ton of potential, I don't expect a sudden breakout season. This happened last year when JJ and Redding left. We were getting younger at those positions and everyone thought it would be a giant improvement and it failed miserably. Vets are Vets and sometimes the young athletic guys don't outplay them in the first few years.

Yes the receiver position needs to get younger but you don't just throw a position of the team into a nose dive to do so which happened this year.
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Agreed. Before Torrey "broke out" in the Rams game last year, everyone thought we had gotten too young at the WR position.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1354069109' post='1236654']
It's not really a matter of resigning. It's probably either an extension for less money or he gets cut. But then again maybe Ozzie keeps him around to play out his contract.

Tldr: he has one more year but is overpaid.
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So he's still under contract for 2013? How much is he due?
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[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1354069456' post='1236662']
So he's still under contract for 2013? How much is he due?
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$7.5 million.
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I'd like to see him re-signed to a more modest deal. I think Doss is sufficiently trained that he can split reps with Boldin, and still benefit from having Boldin around to teach him.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1354066691' post='1236586']
I've been listening to the general consensus around these forums and it seems most don't expect Boldin back next year. I have to disagree. Everyone seems to be operating under the fact that Doss will simply take up his role but I have some points why I think Boldin can and will stay.

1. Veteran Presence- Boldin is the only true veteran receiver on this team. Jacoby Jones has been in the league 6 years but has nowhere near the experience and success Boldin has had throughout his career. The young guys look up to him and he has tremendous leadership. Larry Fitzgerald credits a lot of his success to Boldin which says a lot especially since Boldin was teaching him while only in his second year in the league.

Also if Cam Cameron is on his way out and a new system is brought in, Boldin will be the first to get it. He has the experience to do such a thing. You saw the issues the young defensive players had adjusting to Dean Pees. (Though some of it can be credited to the absence of Suggs.)

2. Route Running- Boldin is hands down the best route runner on the team. When up against top corners route running is crucial to getting open. It's why Torrey has been shut down on multiple occasions. No other receiver on the team comes close. He's not the most explosive but can shake veteran corners.

3. Physicality- Boldin is by far the most physical receiver on the team. Those want Doss to replace him because Doss is the mold of a possession receiver but he is also 20 pound lighter than Boldin. Doss has great hands of a possession receiver but Boldin beats him with his physicality and toughness. Just look at how he mauls corners within the first 5 yards. I don't even need to mention the block in the Chargers game.

4. Resurgance- Boldin was brought in to be a number 1 receiver, something that never could happen. Torrey Smith will clearly be the number 1 and has now demanded the other team's top corner. Boldin has always been a number 2. He and Larry Fitzgerald both topped 1400 yards in 2005 and while [u][b]Torrey will never gain the respect Fitz does[/b][/u], he still demands the top corner while Boldin excels against the second string guys.

5. Clutch- Yes Boldin has had some drops, but he has made so many plays to make up for it. Doss has drops too in the little time he has played. Hell, I watch Cardinals games frequently and even Fitz drops some crucial passes, it happens. But Boldin has showed us this year and especially in the Cardinals game last year that he can step up when he needs to.




I really hope you read these points and will agree with me. Boldin won't demand a high contract. He knows he isn't a top receiver and I'm sure after watching guys like Brandon Lloyd or Chad Johnson, and other receivers switch teams and have little success that he won't demand much. He can stick with the team he has chemistry with and still be a contender year after year, something players in his stage crave.
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I agree with everything except the bolded. Torrey is special, and once we get rid of Cam, he's going to truly make his presence felt around the NFL.
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I posted a topic earlier in the season about this. I'd rather invest money in signing Jacoby to a long term deal as a return specialist and 2nd/3rd WR and rely on the young guns in Doss, Williams, Thompson, Reed, and Streeter to pick up the slack. Jacoby is a young, big bodied guy with incredible speed who is the prototype Air Coryell receiver There is so much talent being buried on the depth chart and we need to let the young players be given an opportunity to show why they were drafted. I really think we have a gem in that stable of receivers I'm so high on Doss and he had a crucial catch in that San Diego comeback. Give these kids a chance and they'll be sure to impress. And with the thought of Cam being dumped for a guy like Norv gets me even more excited.
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I love Boldin. Have loved him more & more the last few seasons. I was actually shocked a few days ago when I saw Raven fans before the Charger game thinking we should let him go. He is so much a valuable asset to this team, that I believe it would be crazy NOT to re-sign him!
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I like Q, but corners sit on his routes and their is no consequence for them. Meaning they can stand waiting for him and if he goes deep they can track him down easily. I like his heart and his leadership, but if hes not willing to resign for lesser money I don't think it would be good to get him back with his contract. Q also knows this is a big year for him and I feel next year he will be worse. Its sorta like a contract year for him this year.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1354070502' post='1236676']
I agree with everything except the bolded. Torrey is special, and once we get rid of Cam, he's going to truly make his presence felt around the NFL.
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maybe the next guy will realize he can do more than run streaks. its a waste of a weapon and its sad.
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[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1354069403' post='1236658']
I understand your point, but how long can we keep these guys on the bench? By the time Boldin's new contract (if he were to get one) would be up, Doss would be on the bench or playing sparingly for 4 years or so. He needs to get an opportunity at some point, and a receiver with diminishing skills shouldn't hold him back.
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If these guys were better than Boldin then they would be starting. That is why when someone is injured we usually don't see a star come out afterwards. If someone it better then they will start. Neither receiver we have is better than Boldin right now.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1354073340' post='1236775']


If these guys were better than Boldin then they would be starting. That is why when someone is injured we usually don't see a star come out afterwards. If someone it better then they will start. Neither receiver we have is better than Boldin right now.
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How much better can Boldin be in the future though? He's on the decline and struggling to get separation. There are other cheaper alternatives out there, whether that be in house or not.
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[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1354072810' post='1236762']
I like Q, but corners sit on his routes and their is no consequence for them. Meaning they can stand waiting for him and if he goes deep they can track him down easily. I like his heart and his leadership, but if hes not willing to resign for lesser money I don't think it would be good to get him back with his contract. Q also knows this is a big year for him and I feel next year he will be worse. Its sorta like a contract year for him this year.
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Any good OC would take advantage of that.
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1354067927' post='1236618']
I rather pass on re-signing him. We need to get younger and he is struggling to get open.
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I disagree. Having an inch on a guy is being open for Boldin.

The problem is that he doesn't get to run enough slants/curl routes. Boldin can still play and dominate games.
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Boldin at $7.5 million might just not be the right player at the right price. He's having a pretty resurgent season with Torrey drawing the heavy coverage, but it's a lot of money to lay down for the number 2 WR. I'd rather have him than not have him because I don't think there will be a better receiver on the market, and certainly not one who's willing to get physical with his blocking like Q is, but when his contract runs out there's no way he'll be a good deal to bring back.
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[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1354073478' post='1236779']
How much better can Boldin be in the future though? He's on the decline and struggling to get separation. There are other cheaper alternatives out there, whether that be in house or not.
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He won't get better but why would we just get rid of him? He is reliable and Flacco trusts him. No need to grab a new receiver when Boldin is just fine.
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