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[News] What Changed With Offense?

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The offense broke out late in Sunday’s game to lead the Ravens to a comeback overtime victory.

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yea we fans been clamoring that joe is unstoppable in the shot gun. Secondly our o-line espicially Reid was getting schooled in the first 3 quarters
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Cam seems to be doing this a lot this season.

He opens it up only when necessary. We cant keep doin that! IDK if it is Cam opening it up or Joe taking a little more liberty but we looked pathetic on O for the first 3 quarters. Then out of necessity we took the handcuffs off!

Keep them off... Force Joe to make plays... he needs to step up and lead us!
CAM get out of his way!
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It takes 3 quarters to realize what is not working ? I knew cam was getting up in age!! If it takes you 3 quarters to realize, hey this is not working you are either an idiot or you are as stubborn as Brian Billick (offensive genious) and refuse to change course. Either wau cam should be able to tell a bit sooner that his offensive plan for that day was not working and a change is needed.
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is he crediting cam?.. cam wasnt even calling those plays!!!! how does ur QB out call ur OC?.. am I the only one who sees this mind bugling fact????....
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I literally don't know what to say! Cam should've had a V8? Or maybe they should've let Cam stay at the Holiday Inn the night before the game, perhaps? Just smh!!!

If ya watched the Behind the Bench segments...Did ya see Q talkin' to Cam? Cam looked at first like he didn't have a friggin' clue what Q was explaining to him. Cam makes me want to pull my hair out, what's left of it that is! lol Gaaahhhh!

This week's Behind the Bench is a must see!
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I like tht big first down catch doss had he went up with double coverage and snatched tht ball he looked like boldin on tht play i like doss hands alot
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Dont forget we had several drops that would have kept several drives alive. Also that pathetic try at a 4th and 1. (spread it out on 4th and one).
The major thing to take away from this game is when the going gets tough is when we shine.
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flacco needs to throw about 100 passes on the sideline before the game starts. he is wild with his throws for the first 15-20 passes before he gets settled. and keep him in the gun, he thinks he's tom brady. thats the way brady operates and he is extremely effective. just seems like a lot of wasted motion going under center when you are running a hurry up offense.
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YES!! That 4th and inches call was about stupid. The Chargers overloaded the whole left side (Ravens right side) of their defense, and what did the Ravens do? They ran the ball right at the overloaded side, and were stuffed. All they needed was a little pitch-back, a little misdirection, and the drive could have been sustained. I was exasperated.
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This is no secret. Joe has always been better in shotgun all the way back to his college days. Have to play to your player's strengths, not against them.
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Just keep winning!
I don't care if you open it up or run it just do whatever you need to, to win the game.
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So I like Babin getting in the defensive rotation we can get him cheap even if it is just for the end of the season
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'That%u2019s what I give Cam [Cameron] credit for, give the offensive coaches credit for, and the players %u2013 the fact that they%u2019re able to shift gears in a heartbeat '


Really Harbaugh?? In what universe is three and a half quarters 'in a heartbeat'?
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The key is not run vs pass as this story would lead one (and most people commenting thus far) to believe. The key is the three WR set vs two WR set. More WR's, more opportunities. It's really that simple.

The only problem is, is the OC just can't seem to get out of the way of good play selection. Prior to this game I've been thinking to myself, why does it seem as if we're the only team that doesn't run the slant ? Well looky looky, we finally see the slant and look at the results, a la Torrey Smith. Of course we won't see the slant or 3 WR set until, who knows when.

That's my take anyway.
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Joe plays too safe. We've got playmakers on offense, guys who can get up and fight and get the ball. But it's only when are backs are completely against the wall that Joe starts throwing into tight windows of coverage and trusting both his and his receivers' talent. Remember the Cardinals game last year? Q had a huge day because Joe finally started giving him a chance to make a play on tough catches, instead of overthrowing, throwing the ball out of bounds, or taking sacks. Torrey's got the same amazing kind of hands. Pitta's got that ability too. TRUST YOUR TALENT, Joe.
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If Ravens play crappy offense sunday we will lose. I hope passions are high and big plays are made, gotta win it. 4 straight wins against the Steelers will be huge, 2 sweeps back to back seasons, and if the Ravens got to the superbowl and win, Steeltown would be silent. lol
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Wow. If I was Flacco I would probably want to punch someone in the face...after all they ranked him the least trusted player in the NFL. I don't even know how that's possible. And somehow they forgot Mark Sanchez exist. I seriously don't know how he does it. And I don't know how this team does it where the Falcons get praised for comebacks against bad teams but we get criticized for it.
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Hopefully, the Ravens' road woes are now behind them. This will be crucial if we have to face the Texans in the AFCCG. It's make or break in the playoffs, no room for mistakes.
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we have had ALL of the tools- now, can we finally get that tool box straightened up ! Can we ?.......or better yet- CAM WE ?!
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the failures/successes have NOTHING to do with run vs pass or putting joe in the shotgun or anything like that. in pitt and cleveland we ran the ball a lot but did it help our offense. No it did not. against the eagles we ran a lot of shotgun but did it help the offense. No it did not. this is a scheme issue and not a run/pass issue or shotgun/under center. until cams gone, ask for whatever you want but it will never help this offense.
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flaccopoe we were a 4th and 29 away from losing the game. our road woes are far from behind us.
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i said this last year and im saying this again CAM GET OUT OF BALTIMORE. your killing me slowly with ur horrific play calling. there is no reason i should smoke a pack and half of cigs in a 3 hour football game....
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For a laugh..... I posted this based upon an article I just read in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. The writer was talking about how with Big Jen they would haven't beaten us, the Browns, etc. :

@Ron Cook... Your article is filled with more woulda, shoulda, coulda excuses than the Steelers have losses. And that's a lot if you're keeping count. Quite pathetic there Homer. Kind of like the Steelers season. :)
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check out Drew Brees' stats from when he was in SD under Cam as the OC, they are very similar to flacco's numbers. Brees didnt even throw more than 30 TD's in a season until after cam left!! Its clearly not a coincidence people...
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Off Subject... see what everybody thinks

Eagles Release, Babin DE, today third most Sacks last 3 years behind J. Allen, D. Ware.. a Perfect 4-3. 3-4 Pass Rusher Oppo Sizzle and it would only be 1.5 Mil for a year try out... or rest of season..

That would cover up secondary wholes even more without Blitz crazy Schemes
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Gee I don't know call me crazy but when the original game plan was dead after a quarter, why did we wait until there were 4 minutes in the game to change it. Seems the head coach would say to the OC, don't you think it is about time to change things up? I figure that should have happened halfway through the second quarter. It is just like when they were overdoing the passing and Harbaugh was questioned about running the ball and he said yeah we could have done that. I guess I don't understand why the head coach waits until the last minute or the press conference to realize he can change things.
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Joe didn't do anything this past week, I saw the receivers get a lot of yac and make unbelievable catches, especially the under thrown ball thrown to Torrey Smith that should've been intercepted by Jammer setting the Ravens up for the field goal. He might have thrown a couple of passes down the field but majority of his pass were 5 to 10 yd passes. Not only that the Chargers stop spying Ray Rice in the second half with the safety which kind of opened up the running game in the second half and which led to Ray Rice converting the 4th and 29th play. I think the Texans kind of expose the Ravens with spying Ray Rice and playing the cover 1 leaving the safety over the top and just play man to man. Steelers did the same thing but their offense couldn't move the ball. The ravens need to figure out how to move the ball when Rice is taken out of the equation, because now there's a blue print to stop the Ravens offense and if Flacco wants to get paid he needs to step up his game because the Patriots & Bengals at the beginning of the season aren't the same teams they played at the beginning. Eli, Peyton & RG3 put up points so Joe better be able to match them. Not only that the Giants and Broncos have two of the best fronts 7 on defense in the league
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Cameron can change gears in a heart beat? Maybe he should decide to join the Ferrari racing team. At least, he would be out of Baltimore for good. Almost four quarters, isn't a heart beat.
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These lapses in offensive production need to start tapering away as we get closer to the playoffs. We need to adapt to opposing defenses quicker, which will cause us to come out the blocks quicker. We have way too much talent on offense not to produce consistently.
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Are you kidding me Harbaugh Cam shifts gears so late that his clutch is burned out.keep telling yourself this OC is good and maybe one day by some miracle someone will believe it.
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i agree with mettro79, these naps during games will kill vs. heavy weights in playoffs like the pats, texans, or broncos. Harb needs to get cam straight on that offensive unit, and guys yes we won, but we won in SD, where stadium was almost half empty and a struggling team, there's no reason, at least i can't find any on Y our offense is struggling that bad, where there's no major injuries, thank god, yet our D with almost new starters is playing lights out, and pees is doing a lot with less.
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Kruger has better stats than Babin so whats the point. You want a guy from a losing team to come in a 9-2 locker room and replace our guys yeah right.
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Folks, I just took notes from the NFL Game Rewind and would like to share them:

At the half, 51 Rush Yds and 59 Pass Yds.

3 clearly dropped passes at two of them were for first down yardage and the third was a yard short.

Q3:

(13:52) Completed pass on 3rd and 6 for 54 Yds to Torrey Smith (on a nice crossing pattern where he outran Gilchrist at the first down marker).

(12:23) Tucker's first FG (pass into end zone just beyond Pitta's hands - it looked like he stopped running - and a throw away while under pressure to avoid another sack) 64 yds on the drive.

(0:03) Failed 4th down conversion after a 58 yard drive (6:17 consumed) including a sack and a dropped pass. Did anyone notice Wettle flying late into the pile that was not called?

Q4

(4:23) TD pass to Pitta after an 80-yd drive (3:32 minutes consumed). Did anyone notice how the pass to Pitta was to his back shoulder? It was threaded between two defenders: had it led Pitta, the LB might have tipped it.

(0:03) Game tying FG by Tucker. Nice drive of 50 yard drive that consumed the final 2:20 of the quarter.

Then came overtime!

Conclusions:

First, the offense was not quite anemic and racked up a lot of yards and TOP. The Offense just seemed to make the occasional mistakes that stopped their drives, even in the second half.

Second, after the defense only gave up the FG after a bogus call on Pollard, it was left to the offense. The offense did come through.

As I have said in the past, at halftime, this felt like the kind of game in which the Ravens would have lost last year. This year? different story!
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Ex-Charger QB, Dan Fouts was beside himself! He said, and I must paraphrase here, that: "... the Ravens have all these tools, all these weapons,... they lack creativity!"

Torrey's drag across the middle caught me off guard! We never see that! Short passes and Pierce's running leading to R.R. saving Cam & Harbs' bacon with "The Play"!

So, nothing's changed,... Cam's still here!
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Ive seen this Potential for "YEARS" but it never Materialized! Ive "NEVER" felt this good about this Squad and thats why I have no Gripes! Felt good watching Double R. getting that 1st down in front of my squeeler buddies! 1 Winning Drive is "SICK"! Sick meaning Good! Lol! "Dont Playa Hate, Congratulate"! The Ravens are "Balling Outta Control"!
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The difference- effectively mixing the short pass with the run, which kept the defense honest and out of sync. This opened up opportunities downfield. This strategy is not limited to 3 wide receiver sets; it can effectively be run with 2 WR TE or 2TE sets (NE does this very effectively). The problem with Cam's offense is that it is predicated on the run and play action LONG bomb, which is a low percentage play. If opposing teams can effectively contain Ray Rice and the run, the play-action becomes ineffective. If defenses can cover wideouts downfield, Joe is forced into low precentage throws or taking a sack. Sometimes this strategy works and everyone thinks the offense looks good after a long completion (or long pass interference penalty), but most of the time it doesn't. Cam's overall game plan forces our offense into 3rd and long too often and takes way too many low percentage shots downfield. It's a strategy that is easy to defend and produces yards inconsistently. Our offense has way too many offensive weapons- RBs, receivers, and TE capable of YACs- to be so inconsistent. It just needs to stay patient, be satisfied with short runs/pass of 4-8 yds at a time, and moving the chains. The big plays will take care of themselves, just like they did when things "changed" on offense last Sunday.
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@Sami

I remember one drop by Jones, remember very good coverage on Boldin (not counted as drops) and remember a lot of inaccuracy, a lot.
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Inaccuracy was the hugest part of the struggle, when the accuracy returned then we got back on track.

Ray Rice 4th and 29 was pure effort.
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[quote name='steelraven' timestamp='1354053052' post='1236195']
Joe didn't do anything this past week, I saw the receivers get a lot of yac and make unbelievable catches, especially the under thrown ball thrown to Torrey Smith that should've been intercepted by Jammer setting the Ravens up for the field goal.[/quote]

You know, if Brady, Manning or other QBs make that pass, you would be calling it a great back shoulder pass! That is exactly what Flacco said: Jammer had press coverage, he threw it at the helmet of the defender and let Torrey Smith make the play.

[quote] ...Not only that the Chargers stop spying Ray Rice in the second half with the safety which kind of opened up the running game in the second half and which led to Ray Rice converting the 4th and 29th play.[/quote]

Please watch the replays of that incredible play with your eyes not with your "hate Flacco" glasses! Every WR plus Pitta took off for the end zone with lots of defenders in tow...there was a 15 yard section in which there were no chargers. Flacco said that he did not want to just throw the ball and have it hit the ground so he checked down to Rice. Rice did the rest with an assist from Boldin. The Safety was not spying on Rice because Flacco was completing nearly 20 passes in the 2nd half - the safety was forced to play pass defense.

[quote] I think the Texans kind of expose the Ravens with spying Ray Rice and playing the cover 1 leaving the safety over the top and just play man to man. Steelers did the same thing but their offense couldn't move the ball.[/quote]

That comment is one I agree with...however, the Texans were able to get a fierce pass rush all afternoon leaving no options. That way, they could keep the spy in place.

[quote]The ravens need to figure out how to move the ball when Rice is taken out of the equation, because now there's a blue print to stop the Ravens offense and if Flacco wants to get paid he needs to step up his game because the Patriots & Bengals at the beginning of the season aren't the same teams they played at the beginning. Eli, Peyton & RG3 put up points so Joe better be able to match them.[/quote]

Look at the stats! Flacco made the adjustments and threw for 300 yards in the 2nd half and OT! Oh, and let the team on four very long drives.

[quote]Not only that the Giants and Broncos have two of the best fronts 7 on defense in the league[/quote]

Yes they do, but the Ravens are a much different team at home and have a lot of pride in their perfect home record.

The Giants have a great front 7, but a weak defensive backfield that the Ravens will find a way to exploit.

The Broncos have a weak running game and problems on defense as well.
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so whose to blame for the offense's problems. ravens have talent. do we point to the qb like all the ravens haters? or, the offensive line? or do we look at the oc? cutting the qb won't solve the predictable play calling or the lack of aggression the needed to move the chains. the o-line has problems but name an o-line that doesn't have problems during the course of a season. the oc compensates for the lines weakness... the oc. the brilliant oc.

play calling that lack aggression, failure to trust a qb other than to just manage a game. failure to exploit talent. yes, for argument sake, there have been times the the offense shined brilliantly, but those times were flashes. the overall the offense has problems and relied on the defense to show up or the failures of the opponent. there is basically three failures for the ravens offensive failures and the ribbon that ties them together is cam...
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I noted the article referenced us going back to No-Huddle in the 4th Quarter!

They were able to do this because the stadium wasn't jammed packed with Charger Faithful making noise!
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Cam keep making Flacco inaccurate and Cam drew up the wrong play on 4th and inches, that's why Flacco audibled to run to the strong side of the defense. No one is hating Flacco but someone is watching Cam and not the game.
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