David Reed is back

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1354049508' post='1236057']
Thank you! Summed it all up right here. Cut Reed and use that roster spot to sign Babin lol.
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I like your player selection in your signature.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1354042036' post='1235864']Because a player with Reed's balance and return ability, would be real good in yac. Put him in the Pats offense and he gets 2-3 screens, slants and/or rub routes a game just to get him in space. In Cam's offense guys like LQW, Reed, Thompson and even Doss don't have much of a role, so they aren't used. That's no knock to any of those guys imo.

Case and Point..Julian Edelman or Randdall Cobb. Those guys would be sitting the bench here in Baltimore, instead of being big role players for their respective offenses, because Cam wouldn't use them.
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This is all intriguing.....I wish we could find out. Someone wake up and get a creative mind. Every team in the league runs those rubs and bubble screens. But along with slants...they are absent largely from our offense.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1354049787' post='1236070']
I like your player selection in your signature.
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Gotta credit BaltimoreFlacco for that one all the way!

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1354049664' post='1236064']


Yes, but he was signed purely for his ST skills. He just turned out to be a talented CB as well.
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Not true. When Graham was signed, he clearly said he choose Baltimore because he was told he'd be given a chance to compete at CB, not just ST. He said that's what separated the Ravens from the other teams courting him.

Also Ozzie talked about Graham's starting experience as a nickle with the Bears, as another reason why Graham had "Value". That's what the David Reed thing is all about, he still brings "Value" to this team

At the end of the day it's about the value that each player brings to the team. People say he's a waste of a roster spot because he's only a KO returner, the guy was 4th on the team with 11 ST tackles in 2010 with only 13 games played. I'd say he's a pretty good Special Teamer overall.

Neither LQW or DT are being used as WRs right now, so aren't they just ST players only?

[PeRK82]

Just don't let him Return Punts or Kick offs.

I say put him on the end of the O line up and let him run and catch the ball. We have to find someone who is fast enough to run deep enough to catch Flacco's Bombs.

Though J.Jones would have been Fast enough but he isn't even getting close to catch the deep, deep ball. D.Reed is Fast as hell, maybe he can do it.


Side Note - Still think LQ Williams needs to be in the WR line up.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1354049864' post='1236075']


This is all intriguing.....I wish we could find out. Someone wake up and get a creative mind. Every team in the league runs those rubs and bubble screens. But along with slants...they are absent largely from our offense.
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Exactly. That's why i hesitate to label Reed a bust as a WR, it's impossible to produce when you either aren't used or misused. Would i like to see more from Reed, yes. I think the guy is highly taented with the ball in his hands. Maybe it's because i watched Reed at Utah and saw his potential. He's the classic catch and run guy. Catch a 7 yard slant, power through a tackle and get 25 yards.

However with Cam, i've never seen Reed run anything but a 9 route. The guy is only 6 foot and more quick then fast, 9 routes aren't his game. His game is out in space. The guy has 2 end arounds in his career and got 15+ yards on both. Why because he was able to get out in space and use his return abilities to set up his blocks.

But you're right it's nothing more then wishful thinking, hoping that Cam will use him correctly. So he probably will end up being a wasted roster spot.

[jimmypowder]

Id much rather See Deonte Thompson then Reed Where is he anyway?

[Gordo52]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1354056797' post='1236339']
Id much rather See Deonte Thompson then Reed Where is he anyway?
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I agree, I don't really see the reason in activating Reed.

[Alexir]

Meh.

It's David Reed, I don't care what happens with him (when it comes to being active/inactive/cut).

[tctony]

He can be cut now, yeah? We oughta do that. No use for that bum on this team.

[Ravensfan23]

@jimmypowder and Ravens<3, you guys do know that Deonte Thompson was seemingly taken off KO return because of a costly fumble against KC. Isn't that the same reason Reed is frown upon?


@perk82....the Ravens don't need to supply Cam with anymore reason to run 9 routes. This offense needs to have more routes that have guys running away from defenders, instead of having their backs to the defense and allowing guys to tightly contest routes. Those 9 routes need to be set up with slants, crossing, and post routes. Plus Reed is more explosive then fast, you want him catching the ball in space and making a guy miss. Smith, Jones, DT and maybe even LQW all have more straight line speed then Reed. However he's just as explosive, if not more so then those guys in short areas.

Guys like Boldin, Doss, Thompson, Reed, LQW, Smith and Jones would all be nightmares in YAC. But they need to be used.
i agree that LQW needs to be used more. At first i was like, maybe guys aren't showing up in practice. However now after watching guys like LQW and DT perform well in TC and preseason over the last 2 years, i just don't wanna hear that anymore. Use these guys.

[kiwi_raven]

i have extremly negitive things to say about D. Reed, but i dont want to get banned so... break a leg Mr Reed...... hopefully in about 3 places.

[bauer77]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1354053683' post='1236212']
Just don't let him Return Punts or Kick offs.

I say put him on the end of the O line up and let him run and catch the ball. We have to find someone who is fast enough to run deep enough to catch Flacco's Bombs.

Though J.Jones would have been Fast enough but he isn't even getting close to catch the deep, deep ball. D.Reed is Fast as hell, maybe he can do it.


Side Note - [b]Still think LQ Williams needs to be in the WR line up[/b].
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This times a million. He's been active since Thompson fumbled in the KC game, but only for special teams work. Hopefully Reed doesn't come back and get that spot. He should have to prove himself. Williams hasn't really had a chance to showcase his talents its seemed except for preseason and a little bit last year. I guess its hard when you have Boldin, Smith, Jones, and now even Doss in front of him.

[Bazooka Joe]

I do wonder why we don't get guys like Torrey, Jacoby, and even Deonte and D. Reed in space. Torrey seems to do his greatest damage when he gets that 7 yard pass and just runs by guys like he did Sunday.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1354054629' post='1236256']
Exactly. That's why i hesitate to label Reed a bust as a WR, it's impossible to produce when you either aren't used or misused. Would i like to see more from Reed, yes. I think the guy is highly taented with the ball in his hands. Maybe it's because i watched Reed at Utah and saw his potential. He's the classic catch and run guy. Catch a 7 yard slant, power through a tackle and get 25 yards.

However with Cam, i've never seen Reed run anything but a 9 route. The guy is only 6 foot and more quick then fast, 9 routes aren't his game. His game is out in space.[b] The guy has 2 end arounds in his career and got 15+ yards on both.[/b] Why because he was able to get out in space and use his return abilities to set up his blocks.

But you're right it's nothing more then wishful thinking, hoping that Cam will use him correctly. So he probably will end up being a wasted roster spot.
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We all know how Cam loves those too lol! Good points.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1354118587' post='1237073']
I do wonder why we don't get guys like Torrey, Jacoby, and even Deonte and D. Reed in space. Torrey seems to do his greatest damage when he gets that 7 yard pass and just runs by guys like he did Sunday.
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This offense would run so much better that way..Torrey and Joe have to be given the freedom to operate on their own more often. If a DB is 9 yards off the LOS, then they have to be able to check out of that deep route and take the underneath throw.

[BenMir]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1354216547' post='1238058']
This offense would run so much better that way..Torrey and Joe have to be given the freedom to operate on their own more often. If a DB is 9 yards off the LOS, then they have to be able to check out of that deep route and take the underneath throw.
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I agree. I think that Todd Haley's offense would suit us better than Cam's. But then again.. I can use Madden's advice and get better plays than Cam.. so who knows

[J-man]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1353959415' post='1234937']
Who? I wonder what his role will be.
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bench warmer

[cursona pirate]

I hope David Rees is up to date on the playBOOK...
Man that was so punny

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='J&#045;man' timestamp='1354304409' post='1238899']


bench warmer
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Jockey cleaner

[berad]

[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1354317437' post='1239082']
I hope David [b]Rees [/b]is up to date on the playBOOK...
Man that was so punny
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D'oh!

Reed can still be a viable STer... maybe. He might just end up being inactive most every game

[sflegend89]

How anyone could trust D. Reed returning an important kick for us is beyond me. That return average stat is also a joke because that was the final year before they moved the kickoff spot forward. Jacoby has more return TD's this season then D. Reed has in his whole career.. why would you want to take such a dynamic player off the field for us? The return game is settled, Jacoby is all in. Scored from both KR and PR this season. It's safe to assume the Ravens will use D. Reed as a ST player most likely just on Kickoff/gunner on punts. Jimmy being out has opened up a few spots on ST.. just a matter of depth having to step up and fill the holes.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1354317555' post='1239088']


D'oh!

Reed can still be a viable STer... maybe. He might just end up being inactive most every game
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That makes my joke even better

[display name]

I'll freak out every time he touches the ball. lol

[The Raven]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1354317692' post='1239089']
How anyone could trust D. Reed returning an important kick for us is beyond me. [b]That return average stat is also a joke because that was the final year before they moved the kickoff spot forward.[/b] Jacoby has more return TD's this season then D. Reed has in his whole career.. why would you want to take such a dynamic player off the field for us? The return game is settled, Jacoby is all in. Scored from both KR and PR this season. It's safe to assume the Ravens will use D. Reed as a ST player most likely just on Kickoff/gunner on punts. Jimmy being out has opened up a few spots on ST.. just a matter of depth having to step up and fill the holes.
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While true, that doesn't change the fact that his average was the highest in the NFL that year...

[nextgen_RavensFan]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1354384508' post='1239603']
While true, that doesn't change the fact that his average was the highest in the NFL that year...
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Who cares about the average, the guy has dropped the ball to many times to be trusted. In a season where every point counts we need for Reed to stay far away from the ball as he will pretty much fumble it. Use Cundiff as an example, once he missed that kick what did he do in a regular season game besides fail. Once it is in your head you are done and Reed my friend is DONE.

[The Raven]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1354385688' post='1239619']
[b]Who cares about the average,[/b] the guy has dropped the ball to many times to be trusted. In a season where every point counts we need for Reed to stay far away from the ball as he will pretty much fumble it. Use Cundiff as an example, once he missed that kick what did he do in a regular season game besides fail. Once it is in your head you are done and Reed my friend is DONE.
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Evidently, the Ravens do.

Drew Brees just threw five picks. I guess he's done guys!

[CapoRocky]

Regardless of your confidence in Reed as a returner I still think he can be an effective cover man on kickoff and punts. He's fast enough to get down there and hit someone.

[PurpleCityLights]

David Reed is back!!!!!!........... Why?

[Footman DCXLV]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1354384508' post='1239603']
While true, that doesn't change the fact that his average was the highest in the NFL that year...
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Those numbers were skewed. He only had 21 returns the year he took that kick 103 yards against Houston, and taking that one return away drops his average to only 25 yards a return. That isn't necessarily bad, but it means that saying he had the "best average in the NFL" wasn't the greatest way to judge how good he was on the whole. That being said, you can't completely discount somebody who has the potential to take a kick 103 yards, breaking tackles along the way...unless, of course, he develops a huge fumbling problem.
He had one long return the year before of 77 yards on which he didn't score, and that again upped his average quite a lot. He had even fewer returns that year, and without the long one his average again drops to just around 25 yards a return.

I'd certainly rather have him returning kicks for us than guys like Jalen Parmele or Tom Zbikowski who had plenty of chances here and never seemed to crack the 30 yard line, but a guy that was really a one-hit wonder with a fumbling problem in David Reed, even if he does have some explosive potential, should not be getting any looks when we have somebody who already has three return touchdowns this year, and 7 in his career.
I don't see him on this team next year, personally, unless we unexpectedly lose some receivers. We have plenty of other capable back-up return men, which is all he would be at this point. The coaching staff's claims of "he'll be a star one day" don't make up for 0 career catches, and other guys like Doss and Williams who they think have big potential, too.