David Reed is back

[ghost1986]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1353959929' post='1234948']
I don't want him back, sorry. He's never done anything as a WR and we have Jacoby... unless he's hurt worse than we know?

Anywho, he's a Raven, and I'll be cheering for him, assuming he's active.
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Agreed and honestly, I forgot all about him. He better bring his A++++++ game because JJ's been lighting it up and other than a drop or two by the receivers yesterday(i know. JJ had a big one), they've been playing great. Even Doss is proving himself.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1353970234' post='1235152']
I'd rather have Terrance Cody returning....
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Im holding out for Bryant

[Bazooka Joe]

I'd rather have Lamont Brightful returning

[K-Dog]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1353961050' post='1234968']
I don't think this has anything to do with Jacoby's knee, to be honest. I've been hearing for weeks about how Reed was getting close to recovery, and that there was essentially a roster spot waiting for him when healthy.
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Well I think it has every thing to do with Jacoby.
Meaning, every one about pooped their pants when he got hurt on sunday. There really is not a decent and prudent replacement. David Reed is a decent replacement IN CASE Jacoby gets hurt.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1353995688' post='1235485']
Well I think it has every thing to do with Jacoby.
Meaning, every one about pooped their pants when he got hurt on sunday. [b]There really is not a decent and prudent replacement.[/b] David Reed is a decent replacement IN CASE Jacoby gets hurt.
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Deonte might be.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1353982998' post='1235378']
I'd rather have Steve McNair returning
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Huh? Not even funny

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1353972025' post='1235186']
Is him being back a good thing. He was on the sideline for a reason before. Does anybody know what jacoby's state is ? We need him big time the next 3 games.
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What was the reason he was on the sidelines?

[Ravensfan23]

Why do people subject themselves to the same things over and over again with different players? Now everyone wants to be done on Reed because he had a tough 3 game stretch last year. Then as soon as the guy is plugged in as a WR and helps or has a big game changing return, everyone will love him again.

I know it's a what have you done lately game, but for people to act as if this guy is only around because he was drafted or because Harbs has some kind of man crush on him is foolish. He's still on this team because the Ravens still see value in him. That same value that everyone will flock to this board and praise him for the second he has a good game.

The same value they saw in Jacoby, but 80% of this board bashed the FA pickup. The same value they saw in Ellerbe, that lead to a 2nd round tender, which 90% of this board bashed. The same value they saw in Harewood, which most people just wanted to see the guy cut after only 2 years. The same value they saw in young guys like Kruger, Jones, McClellan, Upshaw and Tyson, which had some people questioning Ozzie's draft ability and everyone doubting the D as a whole.

The Ravens have proven to be right in showing confidence in these guys to provide their value to this team, despite how much fans hated it. Will D. Reed come back be another really good young player? Could be, but what's the point in bashing the guy or the move, when the Ravens have proven over and over again that they make great decisions on things like this.

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1354002095' post='1235516']

Huh? Not even funny
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U r right. That was poor taste.

[jdynamite]

I'm not sure why Reeds back unless Jacoby jones will see an expanded role on offense now. Jacoby has really played great on Special Teams and I never had a problem Thompson returns kicks either. I would rather Thompson or L.Williams added on rather than Reed because I know they could also be put on field for offense...

[Bazooka Joe]

I think Jacoby could be only the punt returnees with Reed as KR. All Reed has to do is catch it and take the knee.

They must see something in Reed to keep him. Looks like our WR corp is set for the next several seasons:

Boldin
Smith
Jones
Doss
Thompson
Streeter
LQW
Reed

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1354022464' post='1235595']
I think Jacoby could be only the punt returnees with Reed as KR. [b]All Reed has to do is catch it and take the knee.[/b]

They must see something in Reed to keep him. Looks like our WR corp is set for the next several seasons:

Boldin
Smith
Jones
Doss
Thompson
Streeter
LQW
Reed
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That would be dumb as hell, considering JJ scores TDs! There is absolutely NO reason for Reed to be activated. None!

[HoldingCall]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1353963948' post='1235035']
Laquan will still be able to play on ST while David Reed most likely will see time as a punt/kicker returner.
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Maybe the battle is between Deonte Thompson or David Reed, unfortunately it seems someone has to go if Ray Lewis is reactivated.

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1354025878' post='1235632']


That would be dumb as hell, considering JJ scores TDs! There is absolutely NO reason for Reed to be activated. None!
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It would be even more stupid to use your 3rd WR as both a KR and PR. Injuries. JJ can also run punts for TDs.

We'll see what happens.

[sflegend89]

Jacoby should do ALL returns.. He has TD's from both KR and PR so there's no reason to take him off either. Reed isn't even that good of a returner and he has a serious issue of getting the ball jarred loose when he get's hit. Sorry he should've been cut after those 2 fumbled KR that single handily lost us that game in Seattle last year. We gave him another chance after the 1st fumble.. if you respond to that challenge by putting the ball on the turf again you shouldn't be returning kicks in the NFL. Even if you only get out to the 20 he should've had a death grip on that ball and he was just as careless as his previous return.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1354029155' post='1235660']
Jacoby should do ALL returns.. He has TD's from both KR and PR so there's no reason to take him off either. Reed isn't even that good of a returner and he has a serious issue of getting the ball jarred loose when he get's hit. Sorry he should've been cut after those 2 fumbled KR that single handily lost us that game in Seattle last year. We gave him another chance after the 1st fumble.. if you respond to that challenge by putting the ball on the turf again you shouldn't be returning kicks in the NFL. Even if you only get out to the 20 he should've had a death grip on that ball and he was just as careless as his previous return.
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Not a good returner? The guy averaged like 29.5 yards per return over his 1st 2 seasons in the NFL, that's the BEST!!!, in the NFL over that period. Don't like Reed because of his fumbles, cool, but to act as if the guy is talentless is crazy. You say he shouldn't be returning kicks in the NFL because of his 2 fumbles, you do realize that the very first time he returned a Kick after that game should have been a TD, if not for his ACL giving out?

That is the guy the Ravens believe they are getting back. This guy got the job done when the Return unit wasn't playing as well as they are now. I take nothing away from Jacoby, he's a bad man and should continue to return, but he wasn't touched on either TD return. Not because of his speed but because of great blocking.

Teams are gonna start kicking away from Jacoby with angle KOs. Putting Reed back there with him could put even more pressure on teams in the return game.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1353958672' post='1234917']
Honestly, I TOTALLY forgot about him.
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you're not the only one. lol!

~Mili

[edreedfromtheu]

With all his injury problems, and willingness to be unsafe with ball... I'd rather have Ed Reed returning kicks than David Reed being on this team.

As others have said... this makes no sense. You telling me we couldn't use another corner or lineman for that roster spot over a kick returner who isn't even good at that?

[CorvusCorax]

I believe Reed will be used in KR because teams will either kick away from JJ (JF if you're Billick lol) or ground it towards the KR making it very difficult to do anything with it. Seems to me that Harbaugh is trying different avenues to keep our ST unit performing well. I believe he was a great gunner as well.

JJ still makes great sense on PRs. Less likely for punters to punt away from him.

Anyways that's what I could think of for having him back.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1354033060' post='1235716']
Not a good returner? The guy averaged like 29.5 yards per return over his 1st 2 seasons in the NFL, that's the BEST!!!, in the NFL over that period. Don't like Reed because of his fumbles, cool, but to act as if the guy is talentless is crazy. You say he shouldn't be returning kicks in the NFL because of his 2 fumbles, you do realize that the very first time he returned a Kick after that game should have been a TD, if not for his ACL giving out?

That is the guy the Ravens believe they are getting back. This guy got the job done when the Return unit wasn't playing as well as they are now. I take nothing away from Jacoby, he's a bad man and should continue to return, but he wasn't touched on either TD return. Not because of his speed but because of great blocking.

Teams are gonna start kicking away from Jacoby with angle KOs. Putting Reed back there with him could put even more pressure on teams in the return game.
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If that's what you saw, fine. But I saw the return game improve because Jacoby knows how to set-up blocks. And he's decisive. He isn't going back and forth across the field trying to shake and bake every single defender. Oh, and this thing called game-speed. Jacoby has it.

Reed really didn't show me anything impressive.

And even if he's talented... he's still SOLELY a kick returner. And I'd say that's a waste of a roster spot. Has anyone this season thought "man... the Ravens really need a kick returner?" No! The special teams is playing great. And if you're worried about Jacoby getting hurt... then I guess we should just play nobody! And even if he is hurt... I have plenty of faith there are other guys already on the roster that deserve a chance over David Reed.

[CorvusCorax]

Also we have had to place BA on the linebacking corps as well. Perhaps they plan to keep BA on Defense until our linebackers get healthy again. This would make sense.

Reed's strengths:

Veteran STer
KR/ Gunner (IIRC on gunner)
can replace BA so BA stays on Defense to avoid him getting injured on ST.

As I said earlier, just trying to find logic in all this.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1354038083' post='1235800']


If that's what you saw, fine. But I saw the return game improve because Jacoby knows how to set-up blocks. And he's decisive. He isn't going back and forth across the field trying to shake and bake every single defender. Oh, and this thing called game-speed. Jacoby has it.

Reed really didn't show me anything impressive.

And even if he's talented... he's still SOLELY a kick returner. And I'd say that's a waste of a roster spot. Has anyone this season thought "man... the Ravens really need a kick returner?" No! The special teams is playing great. And if you're worried about Jacoby getting hurt... then I guess we should just play nobody! And even if he is hurt... I have plenty of faith there are other guys already on the roster that deserve a chance over David Reed.
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What do you mean if that's what i saw? 29.5 being his average and that being the best in the NFL from '10-'11seasons are facts. Again i'm not one of those fans that feel the need to put down one player in order to build up another, so i give Jacoby all the props in the world. The guy is a beast of a returner and even as consistent as Reed is as a returner, i want Jacoby returning kicks.

However that doesn't mean Reed doesn't add value. You say who's saying we need a returner? Nobody, but that's what makes decision makers like this great and the guys like Ozzie who makes them even better. Who said we needed a CB at the start of camp? Everyone thought Webb, Smith and Cary would be lockdown. I bet everyone is pleased to have Graham aboard now.

Hell people didn't even want Jacoby before the season, said he's not needed and a waste at WR, who's complaining Now? I can understand your entire post, David Reed isn't a personal favorite of your, cool. However this is where you lose me, you praise Jones for knowing how to set up his blocks, so you clearly appreciate that certain skill set it takes to be a returner. It's not just speed. Then you turn right around and say..you have "plenty of faith" that there are other guys who deserve a chance over Reed should Jacoby get hurt.

Really????? Like who, who "deserves a shot" on a 9-2 team in the hunt for Home field, with a offense that often needs to be jump started on the road? Who "deserves a shot"on more then the guy who is proven to have a 29.5 yard per return average? That's laughable to me, that you dislike this guy so much, that a knowledgeable fan such as yourself would say, we have this proven guy for insurance, but let's give someone who isn't proven a shot.

I'm a fan of Thompson, just like many. But he isn't as good as Reed yet as a Returner. And to say, he'd bring nothing as a WR, you and I both know that's not saying much under Cam. Because a player with Reed's balance and return ability, would be real good in yac. Put him in the Pats offense and he gets 2-3 screens, slants and/or rub routes a game just to get him in space. In Cam's offense guys like LQW, Reed, Thompson and even Doss don't have much of a role, so they aren't used. That's no knock to any of those guys imo.

Case and Point..Julian Edelman or Randdall Cobb. Those guys would be sitting the bench here in Baltimore, instead of being big role players for their respective offenses, because Cam wouldn't use them.

[TheMadRaven]

I'm glad he is healthy - that said, good time to cut him.

[BloodRaven]

We've angered the football gods.

[FerrariFan87]

I still remember the Seahawks game last season... he single-handedly cost us that game. He has a lot to prove.

[billick]

[u][size=5][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Fumble!![/font][/size][/u]

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not the biggest fan of David Reed's after the Seattle game, but he should have a chance. Nothing wrong with competition. Also, who has two pretty damn good returners? Not many teams. Having Reed & JJ really is a big deal. Both guys can take it to the house and can get yards. Having two guys who can do that only makes our ST more dangerous.

[SideStep77]

I just don't think he brings anything to the table anymore. We have a probable Pro-bowl returner in Jacoby Jones who is also a great #3 receiver. We signed Deonte Thompson for kick returning duties as well and I love him he is incredibly fast and I would much rather see him then ACL repaired David Reed. Also with the WRs, the order is Boldin Torrey Jones Doss and those are the only ones who every actually see snaps at WR. LaQuan is a ST guy and Deonte is never activated since JJ took his returning duties. I just don't see David Reed fitting in anywhere on this team except to be cut later when Ray Lewis comes back.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1353959929' post='1234948']
I don't want him back, sorry. He's never done anything as a WR and we have Jacoby... unless he's hurt worse than we know?

Anywho, he's a Raven, and I'll be cheering for him, assuming he's active.
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Thank you! Summed it all up right here. Cut Reed and use that roster spot to sign Babin lol.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1354042036' post='1235864']
What do you mean if that's what i saw? 29.5 being his average and that being the best in the NFL from '10-'11seasons are facts. Again i'm not one of those fans that feel the need to put down one player in order to build up another, so i give Jacoby all the props in the world. The guy is a beast of a returner and even as consistent as Reed is as a returner, i want Jacoby returning kicks.

However that doesn't mean Reed doesn't add value. You say who's saying we need a returner? Nobody, but that's what makes decision makers like this great and the guys like Ozzie who makes them even better. Who said we needed a CB at the start of camp? Everyone thought Webb, Smith and Cary would be lockdown. [b]I bet everyone is pleased to have Graham aboard now.[/b]

Hell people didn't even want Jacoby before the season, said he's not needed and a waste at WR, who's complaining Now? I can understand your entire post, David Reed isn't a personal favorite of your, cool. However this is where you lose me, you praise Jones for knowing how to set up his blocks, so you clearly appreciate that certain skill set it takes to be a returner. It's not just speed. Then you turn right around and say..you have "plenty of faith" that there are other guys who deserve a chance over Reed should Jacoby get hurt.

Really????? Like who, who "deserves a shot" on a 9-2 team in the hunt for Home field, with a offense that often needs to be jump started on the road? Who "deserves a shot"on more then the guy who is proven to have a 29.5 yard per return average? That's laughable to me, that you dislike this guy so much, that a knowledgeable fan such as yourself would say, we have this proven guy for insurance, but let's give someone who isn't proven a shot.

I'm a fan of Thompson, just like many. But he isn't as good as Reed yet as a Returner. And to say, he'd bring nothing as a WR, you and I both know that's not saying much under Cam. Because a player with Reed's balance and return ability, would be real good in yac. Put him in the Pats offense and he gets 2-3 screens, slants and/or rub routes a game just to get him in space. In Cam's offense guys like LQW, Reed, Thompson and even Doss don't have much of a role, so they aren't used. That's no knock to any of those guys imo.

Case and Point..Julian Edelman or Randdall Cobb. Those guys would be sitting the bench here in Baltimore, instead of being big role players for their respective offenses, because Cam wouldn't use them.
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Yes, but he was signed purely for his ST skills. He just turned out to be a talented CB as well.