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Week 12 - Comments on Cam and the Offense

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I think our problem is on the road we try to run too much because that's the "kind of game we want to play". We leave ourselves open to too many 3rd and longs. Clearly the second half was much more productive, and it was because we were finally throwing on 1st down, and putting more receivers on the field. The offense works best when Joe has control.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1353891606' post='1233683']
My grades for the game
First Three Quarters F-
Foruth Quarter and OT A
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The million dollar question.

Who was calling the plays in the fourth quarter when we went no huddle and utilised the middle of the field, slants, screens etc, and the offence finally worked?
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Whatever it was, Mr. Cam Cameron, you exceeded everyone's expectations during the fourth quarter and overtime letting the offense do their job. Thus, sir, you're save... for at least [i]another [/i]week...
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1353891937' post='1233720']
The million dollar question.

Who was calling the plays in the fourth quarter when we went no huddle and utilised the middle of the field, slants, screens etc, and the offence finally worked?
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I don't know but it worked! My guess is Cam puts the basic groundwork out there, personnel etc, and Joe works with it.
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[quote name='Chris J. Faria' timestamp='1353892091' post='1233731']
Whatever it was, Mr. Cam Cameron, you exceeded everyone's expectations during the fourth quarter and overtime letting the offense do their job. Thus, sir, you're save... for at least [i]another [/i]week...
[/quote]was it him though? We were predominately no huddle. Joes running that
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The issue with the offense today, and in pretty much all of the away games so far this season, is that it's all around poor play as well. Cam obviously has serious flaws, namely not using the middle of the field but it's more than just him.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1353892201' post='1233746']
was it him though? We were predominately no huddle. Joes running that
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That's the point; was it, OR was it not, his decision to let Joe Flacco run the offense? Because, he has to agree to something; it's not like John Harbaugh is going to tell him leave the stadium just like that. You know what I mean?
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1353891937' post='1233720']
The million dollar question.

Who was calling the plays in the fourth quarter when we went no huddle and utilised the middle of the field, slants, screens etc, and the offence finally worked?
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The answer is
What is a Joe Flacco Controlled Offense?????
[i]Jepordy Music Plays in the backround[/i]
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Imagine that, it takes almost the whole game to actually start doing some different things on offense, and they work. This was an away game in a tough place, no doubt, but still, lack of variety on offense will be the death of us in the end.
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Game was frustrating as all get out. Screaming at the tv "CATCH THE BALL". But the team got it together when it counted. 4th and 29 will be easily the play of the season barring any heroics in the playoffs.
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As of right now, I am dead sick of the shot gun draws. Other plays that I see too often were the sideline routes to Smith. And I don't mean the deep back shoulder in OT, I mean the short ones. Last week, Ryan Clark jumped a few of those, and Flacco had to throw it away. The same thing happened this week. Put those two plays away, at least for the time being.

As for the running game, RAMON HAREWOOD did better than both Williams and Reid. Why did we bench him?
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[quote name='JoeCool#5' timestamp='1353893023' post='1233817']
Game was frustrating as all get out. Screaming at the tv "CATCH THE BALL". But the team got it together when it counted. 4th and 29 will be easily the play of the season barring any heroics in the playoffs.
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I'm getting the feeling that this crazy 4th and 29 Rice run propels us to
a higher level on both sides of the ball.

Just a gut feeling .
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Bernard Pollard says champions find a way to win. So there you have it, the 2012 Ravens.

Winning ugly with little or no Offense, but still winning.
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Lets just hope he's not suspended next week!

Hes gotta be a "repeat offender" and big Rog could come a callin'.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1353891606' post='1233683']
My grades for the game
First Three Quarters F-
Foruth Quarter and OT A
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So essentially, the offense was good when we were running up tempo no huddle and his involvement was minimal.
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I think our main problem is that we arent able to establish either the pass or the run right away.. if we open up one it will help the other. it just seems that when we try to establish the run, it doesnt work, so we try to establish the pass, and that doesnt work. then we are just in a big hole because our offense cant get into rythm
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1353894705' post='1233955']
So essentially, the offense was good when we were running up tempo no huddle and his involvement was minimal.
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Yep!
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let me just get this out of my system first. that 1st half and 3rd qrtr....the Ravens offense stunk up the joint! pure hot garbage. it was pathetic! ok, i'm done with that! lol! now...late in the 4th qrtr...around the 4:00 mark or so left in the game to play....Joe's passes were quick, crisp, short and on point! the offense was in the no huddle the majority of that time and it put up the TD. it was soooo obvious at that moment (as we've all said again and again) that Cam Cameron is holding Joe Flacco back. he is literally crippling Joe from being in or reaching that "elite" conversation or status. Cam waited until the game was on the line before he finally decided to turn Joe and the offense loose. when he did....they scored! sure, Cam didn't drop passes, or get stopped on 4th&inches or fail to block for Joe...but his offensive "mindset" and "philosophy" is crippling this offense. it's a shame!

~Mili
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1353892201' post='1233746']
was it him though? We were predominately no huddle. Joes running that
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I think it was a combination. Cam's not incompetent, he's just an average OC with above average o talent and a really good running back.
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[quote name='tsizzle95' timestamp='1353894782' post='1233959']
I think our main problem is that we arent able to establish either the pass or the run right away.. if we open up one it will help the other. it just seems that when we try to establish the run, it doesnt work, so we try to establish the pass, and that doesnt work. then we are just in a big hole because our offense cant get into rythm
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It all comes down to playcalling. At one point in this game we ran Rice 3 times in a row. 3 TIMES. Guess the outcome. As soon as our offense came alive, which was just when our backs were against the wall and for once Cam had to put some trust into Joe, we were converting 3rd and longs with ease. All season long we couldn't convert 3rd downs to save our lives, but as soon as we started running more no-huddle we were moving the ball easily.

As soon as Norv Turner becomes available, the Ravens better get him, because there is no way we can afford wasting away our offensive talent for one more season with Joes big contract on the horizont.
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3&10, calling for a long pass to Torrey was a VERY ballsy call.
Big kudos to who ever called that one.

That was the [i]OTHER[/i] game winner in my opinion.
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1353895078' post='1233971']
let me just get this out of my system first. that 1st half and 3rd qrtr....the Ravens offense stunk up the joint! pure hot garbage. it was pathetic! ok, i'm done with that! lol! now...late in the 4th qrtr...around the 4:00 mark or so left in the game to play....Joe's passes were quick, crisp, short and on point! the offense was in the no huddle the majority of that time and it put up the TD. it was soooo obvious at that moment (as we've all said again and again) that Cam Cameron is holding Joe Flacco back. he is literally crippling Joe from being in or reaching that "elite" conversation or status. Cam waited until the game was on the line before he finally decided to turn Joe and the offense loose. when he did....they scored! sure, Cam didn't drop passes, or get stopped on 4th&inches or fail to block for Joe...but [b]his offensive "mindset" and "philosophy" is crippling this offense.[/b] it's a shame!

~Mili
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dagger to the cancerous target......I hope we somehow eliminate it for good.......
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1353893845' post='1233900']
Lets just hope he's not suspended next week!

Hes gotta be a "repeat offender" and big Rog could come a callin'.
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That personal foul call was ridiculous . He led with his shoulder not his head .

And the Anquan personal foul was bogus too.

We were getting some bad calls
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1353895078' post='1233971']
let me just get this out of my system first. that 1st half and 3rd qrtr....the Ravens offense stunk up the joint! pure hot garbage. it was pathetic! ok, i'm done with that! lol! now...late in the 4th qrtr...around the 4:00 mark or so left in the game to play....Joe's passes were quick, crisp, short and on point! the offense was in the no huddle the majority of that time and it put up the TD. it was soooo obvious at that moment (as we've all said again and again) that Cam Cameron is holding Joe Flacco back. he is literally crippling Joe from being in or reaching that "elite" conversation or status. Cam waited until the game was on the line before he finally decided to turn Joe and the offense loose. when he did....they scored! sure, Cam didn't drop passes, or get stopped on 4th&inches or fail to block for Joe...but his offensive "mindset" and "philosophy" is crippling this offense. it's a shame!

~Mili
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Thank god Rice picked cam up on his shoulders and saved the day. A short pass on 4th and 29? That reeks of rolling over and crying uncle. No way cam envisions the play panning out as it did.
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1353895210' post='1233977']
I think it was a combination. Cam's not incompetent, he's just an average OC with above average o talent and a really good running back.
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I don't even think it's that. I personally think Cam is a good offensive coordinator for a young quarterback because he is so conservative and early in their career will stick to the run game and make it easy on them. The problem is when you have a mature quarterback and an offense full of weapons like we have, you can still be held back by the fact that you need diversity in the play-calling to fully exploit the talents of your players, and the one thing we don't have is diversity within games - yes one game we will pass too much and the other we will run too much, but it's hardly ever balanced and even when it is it's always the same types of runs and pass plays, and most NFL defensive coordinators will eat that alive.
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