Norv Turner watch 2012

[BMORElegacy]

It's no secret that I want Norv Turner to replace Cam Cameron as our offensive coordinator. Norv is a great offensively minded coach who can't manage a game worth a lick (something he won't have to do as an OC). He runs the same system we do but is just flat out better than Cam at what he does. Norv is on the verge of being fired from San Diego and will most likely be looking for a job elsewhere. However, even if Norv was fired, our FO would have to want him and Harbs would have to sever ties with his man crush Cam Cam. I realize this is a stretch but a guy can still hope.

I thought I'd start a thread to post rumors and reports coming out of SD about Norv's status as the season progresses.

I must say, a loss to us this upcoming Sunday could be one of the final nails in Norv's coffin. All the more reason to hope for a Baltimore win.

Go Ravens!

[YYZ66]

That would be awesome. I wonder if Norv would take an OC job, or will he hold out for a head coaching gig?

Unfortunately, teams in the playoffs can't talk to prospective coaches until after the season is over. If we go deep into the playoffs (which of course we all hope), there's a good chance some other team will grab him.

[PolishRifle]

To be fair to Harbs, keeping Cam around had it's upside. You don't want to change your OC every season as you try to teach a rookie QB how to play the game in the pros. Just look what happened with Alex Smith with 49ers.
On the other hand Norv did have Rivers perform at a top tier QB level, which is something Cam never achieved with any of his QBs and that does include both Rivers and Brees.

[cursona pirate]

Everyone knows Cam sucks except the front office. Bree's and Rivers became great after he left him.

[SecretAgentMan]

Joe would thrive... Simply bc he is not an arogent person like Rivers and not stupid like he is

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1353626870' post='1229080']
Joe would thrive... Simply bc he is not an arogent person like Rivers and not stupid like he is
[/quote]Norv knows how to manage a QB's development and has experience with ALL Pro level running backs It just makes too much sense not to pursue if he is eventually canned.

[display name]

I hope.

[H8R]

I can't stand Cams play calling... don't get me wrong.. but there's soo much that we don't execute well on offense... that is makes me wonder what's really going on.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1353605806' post='1228610']
To be fair to Harbs, keeping Cam around had it's upside. You don't want to change your OC every season as you try to teach a rookie QB how to play the game in the pros. Just look what happened with Alex Smith with 49ers.
[b]On the other hand Norv did have Rivers perform at a top tier QB level, which is something Cam never achieved with any of his QBs and that does include both Rivers and Brees.[/b]
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To be fair, Cam only coached Rivers only started one season under Cam and it was his first as a starter. He did put respectable stats though. As Brees, he showed growth but he wasn't surrounded with the pass-catching talent he's had in NO during his time in SD.

[dhstandard]

Norv Turner was one of the best guys in balancing the run and pass. He helped Ladanian Tomlinson and Ricky Williams be great. He is simply one of the best with offenses who have good quarterbacks and running backs. He would work wonders with Ray Rice and Flacco.

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1353604449' post='1228598']
It's no secret that I want Norv Turner to replace Cam Cameron as our offensive coordinator. Norv is a great offensively minded coach who can't manage a game worth a lick (something he won't have to do as an OC). He runs the same system we do but is just flat out better than Cam at what he does. Norv is on the verge of being fired from San Diego and will most likely be looking for a job elsewhere. However, even if Norv was fired, our FO would have to want him and Harbs would have to sever ties with his man crush Cam Cam. I realize this is a stretch but a guy can still hope.

I thought I'd start a thread to post rumors and reports coming out of SD about Norv's status as the season progresses.

I must say, a loss to us this upcoming Sunday could be one of the final nails in Norv's coffin. All the more reason to hope for a Baltimore win.

Go Ravens!
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Things are looking good on this front! It'l ultimately come down to both front offices. Will SD finally run out of patience with Norv and will the Ravens front office run out of patience with Cam?! Cool sig, btw.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1354056807' post='1236340']
Things are looking good on this front! It'l ultimately come down to both front offices. Will SD finally run out of patience with Norv and will the Ravens front office run out of patience with Cam?! Cool sig, btw.
[/quote]I agree. Some stars will have to align for things to go the way I hope but I'm staying optimistic!

And thanks for the compliment. Feel free to steal it if you want. Spread the gospel

[JO_75]

Chargers loss to the Bengals, come on San Diego just fire him already and get it over with!!!

[Cville-Raven]

Theres still one thing that has to be done; we still have to fire Cam.

[Ravenslifer]

I'm not the biggest fan of Norv, but I will take a trained monkey over Cam at this point. I'm more confident in the monkey knowing how to run a balanced game plan than Cam.

[flaccopoe]

Norv can't game manage at all! Which will be good for his prospects as an OC somewhere; less and less teams will take a chance on hiring him as a HC.

[mhead66]

After yesterday, I think both possibilities became more likely.

On PTI, I heard Mike Wilbon say this evening that the #1 reason the Steelers beat the Ravens was CAM CAMERON.

Finally! A national sports commentator recognizes what the entire city of Baltimore has been saying for years - that Cam has been holding back our Offense and the development of Flacco. Wilbon said it was ridiculous that Rice didn't run at all in the 4th quarter.

Couple that with the crumbling Chargers, and I think this thread is closer to becoming a reality. If the Ravens quickly fade in the playoffs, I think both Cam and Pees are history... and the door will be open for Norv.

Personally, though - IF Norv is fired, I think there will be competition for his OC talents... he's well respected as a coordinator, even though not-so-much as a HC, IMO.

[ratedr]

Next spring, we will look at "4th and 29" and "Charlie Batch-slapped" as the two moments that brought Norv Turner to us.

Mark my words, this will happen.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1354590134' post='1245820']
Next spring, we will look at "4th and 29" and "Charlie Batch-slapped" as the two moments that brought Norv Turner to us.

Mark my words, this will happen.
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Cam: "my position is secured."

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1353604449' post='1228598']
It's no secret that I want Norv Turner to replace Cam Cameron as our offensive coordinator. Norv is a great offensively minded coach who can't manage a game worth a lick (something he won't have to do as an OC). He runs the same system we do but is just flat out better than Cam at what he does. Norv is on the verge of being fired from San Diego and will most likely be looking for a job elsewhere. However, even if Norv was fired, our FO would have to want him and Harbs would have to sever ties with his man crush Cam Cam. I realize this is a stretch but a guy can still hope.

I thought I'd start a thread to post rumors and reports coming out of SD about Norv's status as the season progresses.

I must say, a loss to us this upcoming Sunday could be one of the final nails in Norv's coffin. All the more reason to hope for a Baltimore win.

Go Ravens!
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With Cam locked up for two years I doubt it. However, I will say that I dont want Norv here.

Why? I simply don't like the Air Coryell system and I dont think it plays to our offenses strengths. If Norv is gonna come in here and try to instill a system rather than tailor one to our offense's strengths than is he really that much better than Cam (not questioning his credentials just the methodology). Whoever we bring in as the next OC has to tailor the gameplan and offense to the strengths of the offense. Instead of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, he has to be willing to cut our a square hole.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1354600768' post='1246030']
With Cam locked up for two years I doubt it. However, I will say that I dont want Norv here.

Why? I simply don't like the Air Coryell system and I dont think it plays to our offenses strengths. If Norv is gonna come in here and try to instill a system rather than tailor one to our offense's strengths than is he really that much better than Cam (not questioning his credentials just the methodology). Whoever we bring in as the next OC has to tailor the gameplan and offense to the strengths of the offense. Instead of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, he has to be willing to cut our a square hole.
[/quote]Bringing Norv in makes sense because the offense HAS been tailored to the Air Coryell over the last 5 years under Cam. We've drafted tall physical receivers and have a strong armed quarterback. We have the personnel to run the offense, just not the brains behind it to run it effectively.

[PuRock]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1354656249' post='1246741']
Bringing Norv in makes sense because the offense HAS been tailored to the Air Coryell over the last 5 years under Cam. We've drafted tall physical receivers and have a strong armed quarterback. We have the personnel to run the offense, just not the brains behind it to run it effectively.
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Just don't know if we have the offensive line to allow routes to develop down the field. Its the same issue that San Diego currently has. Our pieces could fit other offenses just as well. The Coryell hasn't been working in our advantage, perhaps its time to try something else.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1354656249' post='1246741']
Bringing Norv in makes sense because the offense HAS been tailored to the Air Coryell over the last 5 years under Cam. We've drafted tall physical receivers and have a strong armed quarterback. We have the personnel to run the offense, just not the brains behind it to run it effectively.
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Again this is find the personnel to fit the system vs make a system that fits the personnel we already have. That and like Purock said the system really needs the line to be exceptional blockers. Last year with Grubbs the line was ranked 12th in the league and our offense still had those inconsistencies. This year we are ranked 22nd in terms of o line. I dont think it is that effective of a system and if Norv is going to just repeat the chargers problems here are we really any more improved?

When the system works, it works and works well, but look what it took for SD to make it work well

2. 6 ft 5 receivers
1. LT
1. Antonio Gates in his prime
5. O line men that can block very well and for extended periods.


What do we have in comparison

1. Ray Rice
1. O line man that we can trust to block for an extended period of time (Yanda).

and reasonably thats about it. Thats not knocking T-Smith or Boldin but they arent the combination of speed and size that Vjax and Floyd are. Pitta is no antonio gates but is pretty good. To really make this system as effective as Norv did in SD its gonna take that kind of personnel and right now we don't have it.

Its why I question whether it is worth it to continue drafting o line men early. We have a lot of depth at a lot of positions and I refuse to believe Ozzie busted on so many picks. I have a feeling that a lot of the inconsistencies in the offensive blocking are due to the system that forces them to block for extended periods.

[dhstandard]

It's not worth drafting O-linemen early because the top LT are in the top 10 while the rest are just guys who will probably switch to RT wand we already have two of those. Yeah there are other good linemen in the draft but besides the top 10 you only see one or two a year who become left tackles. Steelers thought they had a steal with Mike Adams and he sucks.

Back to Cam though I like the Air Coryell system and it works very well. The problem is Cam only understands the "throw deep" concept which is supposed to open up the middle of the field and short throw but he doesn't utilize it.

If the deep ball works not only is the middle of the field open but the run game also works well too. Norv Turner has worked with solid qb's and running back like LT and Ricky Williams and successfully got the most out of them while running Air Coryell.

Imagine how good our offense would be with a coach who knows how to balance run and pass.

[bpytnjr58]

Yahoo reports that Norv Turner is going to accept the OC position in Cleveland.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1357940264' post='1302185']
Yahoo reports that Norv Turner is going to accept the OC position in Cleveland.
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Hmmm...Weeden and the Air Coryell.

Should be interesting to watch. By interesting I mean hysterical.

[JO_75]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1357940541' post='1302190']
Hmmm...Weeden and the Air Coryell.

Should be interesting to watch. By interesting I mean hysterical.
[/quote]

What if Cleveland attempts to get Phillip Rivers?

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1357948103' post='1302315']
What if Cleveland attempts to get Phillip Rivers?
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I think we would be ok.

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[gabefergy]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1357940264' post='1302185']
Yahoo reports that Norv Turner is going to accept the OC position in Cleveland.
[/quote]

I havent heard anything official yet, just that there is a possibility of that happening. Not saying it won't happen, but why would Norv want to go to Cleveland?

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1357953572' post='1302392']
I havent heard anything official yet, just that there is a possibility of that happening. Not saying it won't happen, but why would Norv want to go to Cleveland?
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Richardson if anything. He is a stud