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Will we be able to keep Jacoby Jones and Boldin ? I like it when they get the ball in Jacoby Jones hands or in a punt return situation. Between the 2 i cannot decide which i would like to keep.

There have been a lot of games where Boldin has carried us through but Jones is explosive and has age on his side. Which would you prefer to keep ?
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Boldin is most likely gone. He's struggling to get separation this year, and with his age and a similar receiver in Doss, there's no reason for him to stay.
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We're not in cap hell. We will be if we have to franchise joe at 17 odd mil. But if we can get him to a deal between 12 and 15 we will have plenty. Don't forget ray and ed cold be off, that's over 10. Birk Williams McKinnie all could be gone. That's another 5 after cap hits give or take.

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Look at it logically: Boldin and Ray are probably gone. Being honest, Ed is gone or resigned for a MUCH lower number - he's not getting that payday playing like this. Matt Birk walks for sure.

Cap next year should be interesting, but I think it'll be fine. Joe will be signed for a lot of money, but losing those guys will free it all up.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1352935233' post='1219284']
We're not in cap hell. We will be if we have to franchise joe at 17 odd mil. But if we can get him to a deal between 12 and 15 we will have plenty. Don't forget ray and ed cold be off, that's over 10. Birk Williams McKinnie all could be gone. That's another 5 after cap hits give or take.
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I was hoping we would not have to franchise Joe Cool but that would give us some room. I kind of thought Boldin would go but he still seems to grab everything in his direction and man can he work the sidelines. I hat eto think of Ray as gone and would be weird not seeing him on the field.
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I wonder who will slide into Ed's spot ? I love the guy but hate to see when he bites on a throw and misses, it usually is a 6 point miss. I would like to see him get a Ring before he retired. Would top off a great career.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1352935233' post='1219284']
We're not in cap hell. We will be if we have to franchise joe at 17 odd mil. But if we can get him to a deal between 12 and 15 we will have plenty. Don't forget ray and ed cold be off, that's over 10. Birk Williams McKinnie all could be gone. That's another 5 after cap hits give or take.
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I agree with McKinnie and Williams being gone. I'll be shocked if we don't roll with Reid/Gradkowski/Harewood at LG next year permanently. Reid can serve as the backup RT. With Birk it depends how well Gradkowski comes along in TC. I'll be surprised if Birk is gone though.

I won't be surprised if the team elects to move on from Boldin and on with Jones, his return skills are far and away better than anyone we have had since BJ Sams I believe it was, and he is a legitimate vertical threat. Doss will be the zone buster over the middle guy.
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1352935741' post='1219291']
I agree with McKinnie and Williams being gone. I'll be shocked if we don't roll with Reid/Gradkowski/Harewood at LG next year permanently. Reid can serve as the backup RT. With Birk it depends how well Gradkowski comes along in TC. I'll be surprised if Birk is gone though.

I won't be surprised if the team elects to move on from Jones, his return skills are far and away better than anyone we have had since BJ Sams I believe it was, and he is a legitimate vertical threat. Doss will be the zone buster over the middle guy.
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That is sad, Jones has a ton of energy and makes plays. Not afraid to go across the middle, can work the sideline and is a very good return guy. Not sure if we can replace that. I feel the same about Birk, If gradkowski does get some snaps in and shows some talent i think you are right he will step in. In the last few years we lost some great players and have recovered and i guess next year will be the same way.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1352934368' post='1219268']
Will we be able to keep Jacoby Jones and Boldin ? I like it when they get the ball in Jacoby Jones hands or in a punt return situation. Between the 2 i cannot decide which i would like to keep.

There have been a lot of games where Boldin has carried us through but Jones is explosive and has age on his side. Which would you prefer to keep ?
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Both will remain Ravens next year.
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I think Boldin is the more likely one to be cut or at least restructured. Jones is younger and brings more to the table and at a lower price tag. I'd like to say we can retain both but I am not sure if the cap will allow it.
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1352936331' post='1219301']
There's no way Anquin is on the team. Even though he's one of my favorite receivers ever.
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Q is money at crunch time. I think he stays.
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[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1352936528' post='1219305']
Q is money at crunch time. I think he stays.
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Agreed. I like what I've seen from Doss, but I need to see him stand in for Boldin for a whole game before I'm ready to say Boldin needs to go, and I don't see Harbs pulling Boldin.
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Jones won't be back at that cap number. I could see hi getting a new deal with more years and lower cap hit. Boldin would have to take less to be here, can't add to many years to him, so his would be a flat out pay cut
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jones current contract isnt even very large. and he has lived up to all expectations so far. I would be stunned if he is released...unless he has a lee evans-like postseason
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I could see Boldin, Jones, McKinnie, or Williams being traded for draft picks.

Also, I think that Ray will be back, but Ed will retire. Flacco will be resigned, not franchised. And Birk may or may not retire, but if he does not retire, he will be a Raven.
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I don't think our cap will be hit as badly as it was this year. Mckinnie will most likely have played his last year here. And it will be a very good break-up. Honestly the Ravens have taken DARN good care of him. It's obvious that we truely care about the guy or he would have been traded, we are also getting him out of his personal debt.

Bobbie Williams is gone, we might give him the Andre Gurode treatment. Kemoeatu could be gone Ihedigbo, Considine, Corey Grahm, mabye even the cornerback Johnson that we just signed. Ray lewis may be walking and Matt Birk as well.

I'm no expert but i also believe that Joe Flacco is the only big signing that we have left. I think we will be in good shape.
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I can't believe a lot of you expect Boldin to be gone. He's honestly my favorite receiver on the Ravens. Yeah, he has a bit of a hard time getting seperation, however he is very reliable. When the pressure is on, it seems he is the one that always steps up for the team to help them back. He reminds me of Mason in a lot of ways.
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1352942892' post='1219386']
I can't believe a lot of you expect Boldin to be gone. He's honestly my favorite receiver on the Ravens. Yeah, he has a bit of a hard time getting seperation, however he is very reliable. When the pressure is on, it seems he is the one that always steps up for the team to help them back. He reminds me of Mason in a lot of ways.
[/quote]I wasn't a huge Boldin supporter as a Ravens Receiver, but he has been great this year, especially recently. He's been tearing it up when we need him. As soon as he starts getting more catches in SPACE and is allowed to do what he does I think everyone will hop back on his band wagon.
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1352942892' post='1219386']
I can't believe a lot of you expect Boldin to be gone. He's honestly my favorite receiver on the Ravens. Yeah, he has a bit of a hard time getting seperation, however he is very reliable. When the pressure is on, it seems he is the one that always steps up for the team to help them back. He reminds me of Mason in a lot of ways.
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There's the issue though. We'd be paying a guy $6 million dollars to show up part of the time. He disappears too much at this point in his career to justify the salary he'd be receiving. When we have a very similar player in Doss for 1/10th of the cost, keeping Boldin doesn't make much sense.

I like Boldin, but he's just not performing up to his salary. He's too old and slow nowadays. It's a business.
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[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1352943559' post='1219395']
There's the issue though. We'd be paying a guy $6 million dollars to show up part of the time. He disappears too much at this point in his career to justify the salary he'd be receiving. When we have a very similar player in Doss for 1/10th of the cost, keeping Boldin doesn't make much sense.

I like Boldin, but he's just not performing up to his salary. He's too old and slow nowadays. It's a business.
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I agree. He's the perfect trade bait to get another draft pick. And Doss can easily play the Boldin role of our offense. He's not quite as good as Boldin, but at this point in Boldin's career, I'd take a small downgrade and cap space over Boldin. And Doss won't be a downgrade for long.
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[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1352943559' post='1219395']
There's the issue though. We'd be paying a guy $6 million dollars to show up part of the time. He disappears too much at this point in his career to justify the salary he'd be receiving. When we have a very similar player in Doss for 1/10th of the cost, keeping Boldin doesn't make much sense.

I like Boldin, but he's just not performing up to his salary. He's too old and slow nowadays. It's a business.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1352945893' post='1219418']
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1352935986' post='1219296']
That is sad, Jones has a ton of energy and makes plays. Not afraid to go across the middle, can work the sideline and is a very good return guy. Not sure if we can replace that. I feel the same about Birk, If gradkowski does get some snaps in and shows some talent i think you are right he will step in. In the last few years we lost some great players and have recovered and i guess next year will be the same way.
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Wait, I totally butchered what I was trying to say haha. What I meant to say is that I wont be surprised if the team elects to move on from Boldin and move forward with Jones as the #2. Jones return skills are invaluable and Doss is the heir apparent to the zone busting WR who works the slot and over the middle.

My bad dude.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1352937033' post='1219314']
Jones won't be back at that cap number. I could see hi getting a new deal with more years and lower cap hit. Boldin would have to take less to be here, can't add to many years to him, so his would be a flat out pay cut
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This, Jones contract was very odd I thought from the beginning. We need a guy like Jones on the team however, what he could provide as a #2 and a returner we simply don't have and haven't had in a WR opposite our #1. But that cap number needs to be reduced.
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I think people are too sensitive around here about favorite players. I love Boldin like the next guy, but I think some people here are taking the idea of letting Boldin go for Doss & Jones as a way of saying Boldin sucks. While I can't speak for everyone, I will speak for myself.

Boldin will be a very expensive WR next offseason. This is a business, as Ray Rice can attest. Sometimes, business decisions are made like to let McGahee go for Rice, or to let JJ go for Kruger. If we don't give the young guys snaps, people complain when we are too slow, that we're too old. We cut old players for youth, we're too inexperienced. The bottom-line is this is a business, and if x player can produce similar to y player then y player will find himself out.

It makes sense to trade Boldin now than keep him and take a cap hit when we can allocate that money elsewhere. I don't think it will be an easy transition from Boldin to the next guy, but I feel it's one worth taking. Good teams get rid of players before their decline. Also, why dd we sign JJ to such a big second year contract when we have Boldin? Why is JJ's 2nd year not guaranteed (I think?).

Anyway, I think Birk retires. Williams & McKinnie don't come back. Boldin is traded. Lewis returns. Reed & Flacco are re-signed. Michael Oher gets an extension. I see Cary Williams, Paul Kruger & possibly Ellerbe walking. I see all our RFAs getting tendered.
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We need to win the SB so Reed and Ray Lewis retire.

Just sayin.

[Edit] Also, before anyone starts hating. These guys don't perform up to their contracts. Doesn't mean I don't love them.
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