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DeAngelo Tyson the next big draft gem?

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Looked like it with the way he played today. Hopefully he turns into the next of Ozzie's great late round choices. I'm pulling for this guy and hope he gets the start next week.
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One game. Come on. While he was good just look at McPhee, many said that about him after his great YEAR, now well he's looking like that 5th round player you'd except with that caliber of a pick.
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All of these young guys have talent, they just have to develop and adjust. Art Jones is starting to come on as a decent run stopper, but the entire season will be an adjustment for him, because he's never started in the NFL before. Upshaw is ballin, Albert Mac, is ballin, Kruger seems to have found comfort, it's just allowing these guys to develop.

That was the 9th game of the season and despite all the yards by Palmer, it was a pretty good showing at the defense. I wouldn't be surprise to have these guys playing at a top 10 level heading into the playoffs, especially if Ngata can get healthy.
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[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1352674211' post='1216033']
No, not a gem, but a solid player, which we need more of.
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Hey, you never know. He's been quite impressive so far.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1352672955' post='1215995']
One game. Come on. While he was good just look at McPhee, many said that about him after his great YEAR, now well he's looking like that 5th round player you'd except with that caliber of a pick.
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McPhee has been playing injured all year.. How are you gonna say he's looking like a 5th rounder? He didn't even play today.. The guy is a Mississippi country boy, if he missed a game he's really hurting bad. Let the guy get healthy and show you what he can do, anyone who's watched McPhee play when he's healthy knows the kid is a tank.
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[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1352674952' post='1216057']
McPhee has been playing injured all year.. How are you gonna say he's looking like a 5th rounder? He didn't even play today.. The guy is a Mississippi country boy, if he missed a game he's really hurting bad. Let the guy get healthy and show you what he can do, anyone who's watched McPhee play when he's healthy knows the kid is a tank.
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Not to mention he added weight this year. It'll take him another year to get his quickness up with the added bulk.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1352672955' post='1215995']
One game. Come on. While he was good just look at McPhee, many said that about him after his great YEAR, now well he's looking like that 5th round player you'd except with that caliber of a pick.
[/quote]I agree. McPhee looked like one of those picks, but just look at him now. Though if McPhee can pick his game up again then I'd consider him a 'steal' at least based on where we got him.
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I hope. He did look really good today, just hvae to see him do it consistently.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1352672955' post='1215995']
One game. Come on. While he was good just look at McPhee, many said that about him after his great YEAR, now well he's looking like that 5th round player you'd except with that caliber of a pick.
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True. Let's not give out crowns too soon. Like what he did today though. Same for Kruger. That said, what about Upshaw? Now he's balling.
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I liked his awareness around the LOS, he keeps his head up and follows the QB.
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Gotta give the guy credit. They said his name numerous times and not for penalty calls. The guy is big, fast and looks like he can find a way to be around the ball. Great game. Kruger even stepped up a bunch today.
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I would be confident enough to start him, we need guys who can drop anchor and occupy blocks and he's looking like the only player besides Ngata who can.
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Don't forget about Bryan Hall. I don't think most people on here even know his number. You will.
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1352672955' post='1215995']
One game. Come on. While he was good just look at McPhee, many said that about him after his great YEAR, now well he's looking like that 5th round player you'd except with that caliber of a pick.
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To be fair, McPhee has been hobbled since the off-season. He had two arthroscopic surgeries on his right knee before training camp and we've seen the results. This is will probably be a "lost" year for him, but he could still become the player we thought he'd be after his rookie year.

As for Tyson, it's great he stepped up today, but he has a long way to go before we should start labelling him a gem.
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Tyson and Hall both looked good today, but to be fair Oakland all in all looked pretty awful. It's hard to judge because on one hand he was getting around the ball, eating up blocks and batted 2 or 3 balls.... but a lot of guys had better than usual days and as a team we batted a ton of balls. So was it that Oakland allowed these guys to look good or that they all played better?

Tough to say but probably a combination of both. We'll definitely find out next week.
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[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1352735716' post='1216713']
Tyson and Hall both looked good today, but to be fair Oakland all in all looked pretty awful. It's hard to judge because on one hand he was getting around the ball, eating up blocks and batted 2 or 3 balls.... but a lot of guys had better than usual days and as a team we batted a ton of balls. So was it that Oakland allowed these guys to look good or that they all played better?

Tough to say but probably a combination of both. We'll definitely find out next week.
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While I want to agree with you I am not sure I will be a believer if Tyson repeats against the Steelers. Their OL isn't that good. It's been doing OK, but not great and also remember Ben is pretty mobile and likes to buy time so I won't count it against Tyson if he has a bad game, either.

Honestly, I think he real test is against the Broncos, but he might not be playing by then. We'll see.

But I do agree; today both Tyson and Hall looked pretty damn good! Happy to see them make an impact.
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[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1352674952' post='1216057']
McPhee has been playing injured all year.. How are you gonna say he's looking like a 5th rounder? He didn't even play today.. The guy is a Mississippi country boy, if he missed a game he's really hurting bad. Let the guy get healthy and show you what he can do, anyone who's watched McPhee play when he's healthy knows the kid is a tank.
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He was healthy when the season started and got no pressure, and got pushed around like a rag doll. I dont know why the organization thinks these guys are everydown players. They are situational pass rushers who florish when you have suggs and ngata (and redding last year) locking up guys so they can make a play. This year has proven it, they cant win 1 on 1 matchups with starting lineman. And im sure it had NOTHING to do with Pagano's exotic blitzing and packages.......
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[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1352763682' post='1217026']
Repeat after me, " it was only Oakland "
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Repeat after me, "they beat Pittsburgh".
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[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1352767264' post='1217081']
Repeat after me, "they beat Pittsburgh".
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lol love this response, its the NFL everyones a professional, and anyone can be beat on any given day. Success against any team is great, and it could be worse, they could have looked bad vs Oakland so just be happy for the boys and wish them well!
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[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1352674952' post='1216057']


McPhee has been playing injured all year.. How are you gonna say he's looking like a 5th rounder? He didn't even play today.. The guy is a Mississippi country boy, if he missed a game he's really hurting bad. Let the guy get healthy and show you what he can do, anyone who's watched McPhee play when he's healthy knows the kid is a tank.
[/quote]he won't be able to hold down that starting role. His pass rush suffered badly when he had to put weight on to be that 3 down end. He needs to drop the weight and go back to that pass rush specialist, as long as we can draft someone to start.
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[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1352743608' post='1216818']


He was healthy when the season started and got no pressure, and got pushed around like a rag doll. I dont know why the organization thinks these guys are everydown players. They are situational pass rushers who florish when you have suggs and ngata (and redding last year) locking up guys so they can make a play. This year has proven it, they cant win 1 on 1 matchups with starting lineman. And im sure it had NOTHING to do with Pagano's exotic blitzing and packages.......
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First off...he wasnt healthy. You might remember he barely participated in TC and preseason.

Second, please explain Pagano's " exotic" blitzes and "packages".
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The ability to anchor and eat up space is an underrated and an overlooked ability, sometimes it doesn't matter how big or heavy you are or how much weight you put on.
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I have really liked what I have saw from Tyson so far!!! He is athletic and he is a space eater and as he learns the System and schemes more I believe he will become a true Force... More so than Cody has been for sure!!! Give the Kid time..he is a Rookie and is just getting his feet wet.. but soon he will be making a Splash wit Cannonballs all over the NFL for the Ravens... Just Watch!!!
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1352856741' post='1218553']
The ability to anchor and eat up space is an underrated is an overlooked ability, sometimes it doesn't matter how big or heavy you are or how much weight you put on.
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Very true. It's all about technique and leverage. Kelly Gregg was one of the best NTs in the game and he was only what 6 foot 310?
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[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1352831627' post='1218163']
he won't be able to hold down that starting role. His pass rush suffered badly when he had to put weight on to be that 3 down end. He needs to drop the weight and go back to that pass rush specialist, as long as we can draft someone to start.
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Not only did he not have an offseason before this season, it was because he was rehabbing a couple knee surgeries. He hasn't fully recovered from the surgeries which has attributed more to the loss of quickness, not his added weight. I'm pretty confident that once he gets healthy 100%, he'll be a great dlinemen again.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1352873044' post='1218675']
Very true. It's all about technique and leverage. Kelly Gregg was one of the best NTs in the game and he was only what 6 foot 310?
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True, another example would be when Corey Williams signed with the Browns in 08, on paper he was an explosive 320lb lineman and a perfect fit for 3-4 DE, only he couldn't anchor to save his life. On the flipside you have 285lb Justin Smith who is as difficult to move as Ngata.

So what does this have to do with us? well everything. So far the indications are that we have linemen who are incapable (Kemo, Cody, Jones) or more suited to 1-gap schemes (McPhee, Hall), so heres hoping Tyson can provide the stability we need next to Ngata.
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1352888827' post='1218708']
True, another example would be when Corey Williams signed with the Browns in 08, on paper he was an explosive 320lb lineman and a perfect fit for 3-4 DE, only he couldn't anchor to save his life. On the flipside you have 285lb Justin Smith who is as difficult to move as Ngata.

So what does this have to do with us? well everything. So far the indications are that we have linemen who are incapable (Kemo, Cody, Jones) or more suited to 1-gap schemes (McPhee, Hall), so heres hoping Tyson can provide the stability we need next to Ngata.
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I'm not giving up on Cody yet, considering he did play very well last year. I think it's less Cody and more the DE. And then after that Cody just wears down.
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1352912971' post='1218942']
I'm not giving up on Cody yet, considering he did play very well last year. I think it's less Cody and more the DE. And then after that Cody just wears down.
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Cody actually played well in the Raiders game, he had his moments in the Browns game as well, so maybe he's starting to find his groove.

As for McPhee, I think we as fans have to remember to account for the human element that these players go through. I think often times we feel that a player is just supposed to turn on the lights so-to-speak once they hit the field. However you hear reports about how even a veteran like Suggs admitted to going through a little period of depression because of his injury.

So a young guy like McPhee who had success as a rookie and was expected to have a major impact this year, probably finding it tough to deal with the injury and knowing it's limiting his play. Also the guy had to deal with death in his family earlier in the season, no one knows how long it takes a person to get over something like that. Then he also had to deal with added attention from the Oline as a starter, so who knows how all this stuff affected McPhee.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1352913679' post='1218954']

Cody actually played well in the Raiders game, he had his moments in the Browns game as well, so maybe he's starting to find his groove.

As for McPhee, I think we as fans have to remember to account for the human element that these players go through. I think often times we feel that a player is just supposed to turn on the lights so-to-speak once they hit the field. However you hear reports about how even a veteran like Suggs admitted to going through a little period of depression because of his injury.

So a young guy like McPhee who had success as a rookie and was expected to have a major impact this year, probably finding it tough to deal with the injury and knowing it's limiting his play. Also the guy had to deal with death in his family earlier in the season, no one knows how long it takes a person to get over something like that. Then he also had to deal with added attention from the Oline as a starter, so who knows how all this stuff affected McPhee.
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McPhee is also really knew to the 5 technique. Most of these guys are. It's not an easy transition.
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Believe it or not, I think Bryan Hall did better than DeAngelo Tyson.

Both a depth guy, but neither of their performance were that significant. Maybe we'll see more as our defense keeps rotating fresh schemes
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1352915757' post='1218981']
McPhee is also really knew to the 5 technique. Most of these guys are. It's not an easy transition.
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Yea, I really think the fact that all of these young guys are playing and growing together was a good and bad thing.

It was a bad thing because they all had to find themselves within this defense, and with most of these guys being young, it was basically no one to cover for the youthful mistakes.

However it is good, because the Ravens have seemingly gotten through that adjustment stage and these young guys at least are playing at a faster level right now. When McPhee, Ngata, and Smith get healthy it will only help take the defense to another level. If they can hit that stride going into the playoffs, then it might be a NYG type of thing. Where everything comes together at the perfect time.
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Read the article on McPhee that tells a lot about him I just hope he gets 100% in time for the playoffs. And Suggs makes EVERYONE better really him just being out there makes our D better so I just pray we can get as healthy as possible in time for us to make a run in the playoffs.
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[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1352746467' post='1216857']
Art Jones had a good game too. I thought all 3 young d-lineman not name Cody did a good job.
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According to Pro Football Focus, Cody had the best rating out of all the D Linemen against the Raiders. Only Cary Williams and Paul Kruger had higher rated games than Cody against the Raiders.

Cody only played 22 snaps, but he had 3 stops in those 22 snaps. A solid showing in my opinion.

I'm not knocking anyone else on the defense. I'm just making a case for Cody.
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[quote name='wademan2636' timestamp='1352922530' post='1219107']
According to Pro Football Focus, Cody had the best rating out of all the D Linemen against the Raiders. Only Cary Williams and Paul Kruger had higher rated games than Cody against the Raiders.

Cody only played 22 snaps, but he had 3 stops in those 22 snaps. A solid showing in my opinion.

I'm not knocking anyone else on the defense. I'm just making a case for Cody.
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That could also be used to say that he's in poor condition. He played well when given 22 snaps, but as his snaps increase, his performance decreases tremendously.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1352928960' post='1219201']
That could also be used to say that he's in poor condition. He played well when given 22 snaps, but as his snaps increase, his performance decreases tremendously.
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I agree. I think that he could be the long term answer at NT, but ONLY if his conditioning improves, and he changes his mindset. He is destroying himself with laziness and lack of motivation. He could be a force if he actually cared enough.

The only reason Kemoeatu started in the first place was to motivate Cody to improve his attitude and conditioning.

If Cody does not improve these 2 things, we should start looking for a new NT.
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[quote name='wademan2636' timestamp='1352922530' post='1219107']
According to Pro Football Focus, Cody had the best rating out of all the D Linemen against the Raiders. Only Cary Williams and Paul Kruger had higher rated games than Cody against the Raiders.

Cody only played 22 snaps, but he had 3 stops in those 22 snaps. A solid showing in my opinion.

I'm not knocking anyone else on the defense. I'm just making a case for Cody.
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That's good to hear but after the disastrous games he's had this year it will take more than one good performance to wipe that bad taste out of my mouth.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1352928960' post='1219201']
That could also be used to say that he's in poor condition. He played well when given 22 snaps, but as his snaps increase, his performance decreases tremendously.
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I don't deny better conditioning would help, but the guys a freaking NT, you don't want him playing 35-45 snaps per game. He's not a Ngata type, he's a lane clogger for rush defense. So about 30 snaps a game should be his number.

Cody was credited for 22 snaps and the Raiders ran the ball 24 times. That sounds about right. At the end of the day, you have to play to your strengths first. As a NT you want Cody on the field to defend the ran, if he happens to get caught in a passing rushing situation cool, but his number 1 priority is to defend the run.


Having a rotation on the DL with these young guys is probably the best way to go for the Ravens. If it's not Ngata, nobody along that line should be seeing 90% of the snaps. imo
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1353004676' post='1219792']

I don't deny better conditioning would help, but the guys a freaking NT, you don't want him playing 35-45 snaps per game. He's not a Ngata type, he's a lane clogger for rush defense. So about 30 snaps a game should be his number.

Cody was credited for 22 snaps and the Raiders ran the ball 24 times. That sounds about right. At the end of the day, you have to play to your strengths first. As a NT you want Cody on the field to defend the ran, if he happens to get caught in a passing rushing situation cool, but his number 1 priority is to defend the run.


Having a rotation on the DL with these young guys is probably the best way to go for the Ravens. If it's not Ngata, nobody along that line should be seeing 90% of the snaps. imo
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I agree that priority number 1 is to have a run defender at NT. But nothing is as sweet as a disruptive NT like Wilfork. Literally only position that can make up for every other position on any given play just by blowing up the center.
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1353104025' post='1220532']

I agree that priority number 1 is to have a run defender at NT. But nothing is as sweet as a disruptive NT like Wilfork. Literally only position that can make up for every other position on any given play just by blowing up the center.
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Yep. So true. I want us to get a NT like Wilfork. He's a true beast. Having him & Ngata on the DL (or someone close/with the potential to reach Wilfork's level) would essentially fix our defense. I really want Lucas Nix, and I want him bad.
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1353114872' post='1220608']
Yep. So true. I want us to get a NT like Wilfork. He's a true beast. Having him & Ngata on the DL (or someone close/with the potential to reach Wilfork's level) would essentially fix our defense. I really want Lucas Nix, and I want him bad.
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The guard for the raiderS?
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[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1353117625' post='1220626']

The guard for the raiderS?
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Damn, I keep doing that. I actually liked Nix from PIT last year. Anyway, I meant Louis Nix. I hate that both of their first names start with "L" and their last names are both Nix, lol. I keep making that mistake, haha. But if Lucas Nix can do it, yes!

On a side note, man I really hope we get Nix. I love the way he is playing.
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