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[News] Late For Work 11/9: Joe Flacco Hasn't Sold Elite Status ... Yet

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I still beleive in the Ravens. Every year we hear guys like Clark Judge and other writers just completly write us off. I used to get mad, but now just chalk it up to the norm. Ravens always prove them wrong, yet you never hear any of that.
I will say this as a life long Raven fan--If the Defense does not get back to anything remotely what we are used to, Dean Pees will not have a second year to try to prove himself. For years anyone that has taken over the Defense, has done a steller job. Top 5 usually. I am surprized that we do not hear about him being on the Hot Seat yet.
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I think I broke my ankle jumpin on and off that "Joe Flacco is Elite"-bandwagon so many times. Such a tease.
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The inconsistency alone prevents him from the elite status. When he's 'on' he's unstoppable but when he's 'off' he looks awful. I've thought for some time he may have some sort of condition that affects him this way. I like Joe, but that inconsistency is a real buzz kill.
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Elite, that's a laugh... on to the next topic.

Well, nobody can say that Defensive Coordinator Dean Pees isn't being creative. He's trying anything and everything to help his struggling unit improve.

Did you try the 4-3 yet?
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I don't think Flacco is elite.
5 years into his career, he still has problems of a rookie. So he is quite far from being labeled elite and he'll never get there.
But I don't care. He's a good QB that has bad days on job. We just need to play good defense and Flacco can get the job done for us.
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They need to play good offense so the defense can do their job. The defense is banged up and the offense is healthy. If the offense get at least 3-4 first downs a drive the struggling defense will have more energy to not only hold to 3 points but also stop them before they're in 3 point range. Think about Ngata offense, if y'all keep going 3 and out y'all going to have him in a sweat suit with Ray Lewis.
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He hasn't proved much this year.
The offense looks like we struggle to get first downs consistantly week in and week out
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I don't like all the pundits picking us . no trap game this week . Joe needs to air it out like he did against cincy.
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So sick of that term ... elite. I don't care if he's elite. I don't need for analysts to put him in a category with Brady, Rogers, Manning and Brees. I want him to work within the confines of our team and lead us to wins and ultimately to a championship.
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[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1352472840' post='1213832']
I think I broke my ankle jumpin on and off that "Joe Flacco is Elite"-bandwagon so many times. Such a tease.
[/quote]For me, it isn't a bandwagon. Joe's elite. Different. But, elite. Go Ravens!!! :)
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Idc who the pundits pick, we're at The Bank, baby! Joe's elite!! And, w/Suggs back, so came the "D"!!! Go Ravens!!! :)
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I like Flacco I think he is a beast. Would I go as far as to say he is elite yet? No probably not, but at the same time you cant blame him for the problems on offense. If you watch alot of the drop passes Flacco is right on the money the reciver is just not putting a 100 percent into catching the ball. Truth is though Flacco has just been under one offense this whole time and I think alot of it limits him. We never seem to use the middle of the feild ect ect. The real question is do I think Flacco could lead the Ravens to a superbowl? YES, and thats all that matters. We need to now fix the D this is the one thing I think all Ravens fans took pride in was ALWAYS having a top 5 defense.
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[quote name='respecttheRaven' timestamp='1352475014' post='1213859']
I just can't wait for the WHOLE team to play to it's full potential........it will be so sweet!!!!!!
[/quote]Yes!!! Those first few drives last Sunday were a thing of beauty, were they not? Go Ravens!!! :)
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It's frustrating to see Flacco go out one week and play like a top 5 QB, and then follow up his stellar performance looking like Kyle Boller. When he is on, he is definitely a top 5 QB. Too bad he only has a few of those games every year. He will never reach elite status because of his inconsistency. Still love him, though!
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ravens defense is terrible, smh we need to get back to ravens basics and stop the run and limit big play opportunity, Joe Flacco will come along but he has to realize how inconsistent he has been in past years. Cam Cameron is on the hot seat and i can see Jim Caldwell preparing to take over next year as offensive coordinator, especially if Cam cant figure out how to get Ravens playmakers the ball in crucial and ordinary game situations
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Flacco could get the Elite ranking if he put up 30 TDs by the end of the season, but that would start (or restart) on Sunday. I predict he throws for 270 yds and 2TDs by game's end.
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Y'all going to hate the quote by Eric Decker just because he mentions Matt Ryan, but oh well. Reality is to be lived in and fantasy is to be wondered. This has nothing to do with who has playoff wins but current production.

"The great quarterbacks in the league right now - Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Matt Ryan - all these guys, have about seven, eight, nine guys catching the ball every game," said Decker, who had five catches for 54 yards. "That's because they're not forcing it to one or two guys. They're spreading it out and letting the game come to them."

ie... stop forcing it to Pitta and use him like we did last year. The elite Flacco was the one who checked down to Rice all the time, that's where the good stats was, now we can't check down as much we're dealing with average Joe, and the crowd eyes finally opens.
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Joe is not elite. If his agent gives a rats butt about Joe, and what kind of future he will really have, he willnot milk the Ravens for Elite money. If we pay Joe, Ray Rice, Vonte Leach, Boldin, Ngata, Suggs ELite money for thier position, we end up where we are now. Filling in the rest of the spots with marginal roll players. In the above article, he is not even one of the top five players on our team and not a top 50 player in the NFL. He should get less then Matt Ryan and More then Romo. That is his wheel house. He is not a Manning, Breeze, Brady, Manning, Qb. Please get over it and move on.
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Man im tired of hearing about these steelers , an how they are the team to beat or the hottest team in football .. arnt the falcons 8-0?? lol But Joe is a good qb , hate the ELITE voting , an how that goes .. but he is our qb and a good one. He will do good this week because we are home , an im sure when we goto Pitt, He is familar with that field and he always comes up big there. Maybe not a big game but he will make the game difference play. .. jus my thoughts
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[quote name='smolina2o1' timestamp='1352475547' post='1213867']
ravens defense is terrible, smh we need to get back to ravens basics and stop the run and limit big play opportunity, Joe Flacco will come along but he has to realize how inconsistent he has been in past years. Cam Cameron is on the hot seat and i can see Jim Caldwell preparing to take over next year as offensive coordinator, especially if Cam cant figure out how to get Ravens playmakers the ball in crucial and ordinary game situations
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Agreed. Pees is as good as gone. Cam will be if he cant get it together. Joe's time is here. Our SB hopes depend on Joe. If he does win the MVP in the SB tho..... ESPN will call BS on him, and Skip will still say Tebow is better.
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Are the Steelers a better team than the Ravens. In the past several years I would be ready to pick up cudgels against anybody that even suggested such blasphemy! However, not so much this year.... something about my Ravens just isn't right, but I can't put my finger on it just yet.

Is it Flacco disappointing us with his inconsistency and proving elite QB status is much farther away than we believed (perhaps never)? Or is it our porous defense that resembles swiss cheese? Or is it the coaching? Or is it lack of cohesiveness both on offense or defense? Or has the rest of the league just improved so much with us remaining the same on talent? Or are they all of the above? If that is so, then we are in deep trouble to win the SB anytime soon....
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I would agree that Flacco is good but can and should be much better now. There wouldn't be much criticism about him if the word elite didn't keep popping up once a month. Do you lie to your kid and tell them they're something they're not or do you tell them what they are and what they can be from harder work. Lie to them now and the world will later put them in their place. That will be their hard day in life.
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We need to stop talking about this 'elite' label with Flacco. The only reason this is even a topic is because his agent said it nobody else thought of Flacco as 'elite' prior to his agent saying it and the reason why it caught headlines was because it was so controversial. If Flacco was truly 'elite' there would not be such a firestorm of controversy about it. Thank you Falcco's agent for starting this mess.
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Flacco needs to see this offense as himself and not "we did this" or "we didn't do that". Flacco we knew what Boldin was before you got him. We know Torrey Smith, Dennis Pitta, Jacoby Jones, and Ray Rice can play. We know the line is not as bad as half the league. That is a recipe for any elite QB to flat out ball. Go do it!
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If the OL isn't helping him, Flacco needs to extend plays. This will give the WRs time to get separation.
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flacco may never be a manning or brady but i have always said that he is good enough to win superbowls with the right balance and creativity on offense and a solid defense behind him. we have 2 big and fast te's to create mismatches yet we dont create mismatches. we do not use the quick slant which if anyone has watched pittsburgh lately or the colts jags game last night with andrew luck you could see how well it works when used at the right time. yes flacco can improve on things like accuracy and buying more time for his receivers by side stepping or rolling out. i would like to see a new oc in here next year and if the same problems continue than we can begin to point fingers towards flacco and the rest of the offense. go ravens!!
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I think we the fans should make a conscious effort to stop brandishing the word 'elite' with respect to Joe Flacco, because as much as his agent wants us to believe it, he just isn't!
To me an elite QB first and foremost inspires confidence of winning every game he plays in. Joe doesn't! The second attribute of an elite QB is he has many more great games than duds, especially on the road. Joe doesn't! The third attribute of an elite QB is that most people believe they are elite. Only Joe's agent, Joe Flacco and Cam Cameron (at least in front of the cameras) do but, most others don't!
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%u201CFor a 6-2 team, the Ravens have a lot of question marks, especially on their aged and injured defense. But the Raiders have even more problems on defense, and I like Baltimore to win a high-scoring game.%u201D

"....aged.....defense"? Another guy who thinks we still have the same roster from 2000, smh. Research son, research.
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Please, please stop trying to make Flacco elite. He is a very good QB. Top ten for sure but, top five, are you kidding me? He's a deer in headlights against a good rush. He is not elite. He never will be with the OL we have and you are hurting this TEAM by continuously trying to prove that he is.
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Its no ones fault but Flacco when HE stares down recievers, Its no ones fault but Flaccos when he gets stipped and fumbles second only to Vick since his Rookie season. It nobodys fault but Flaccos when he throws at recievers feet in the flat or ten feet above Rices head on screens. He is good, real good. He has not improved on his weakness in regards to pocket presence, touch on the long ball, reading the blitz and making a the quick decision on hot routs. I respect that he will say he is the best in the leaugue, he should have that mentality. However, his agent needs to shut up and be honest and not lead him down a path that will be a detriment to him. The contract the Ravens offered was fair and I think Joe would have been happy with it and none of this would have reared its ugly head.Two people in this equation need to get fired. Cam Cameron and Joes agent. Life in Charm city would be so much better.
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A 26th ranked defense and 16th ranked offense ain't gonna get it done. Ravens were better in offense last year. This was supposed to be the year that the offense became a top 5 offense. Clearly hasn't panned out that way.

Part of me believes they'll find a way. But the realistic side thinks otherwise.

GO RAVENS!
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I'm not a coach but I see our best o-line as. Oher KO Birk Yanda and Jah Reid. This will help our offense big time because Flacco will have more time to go threw his progressions and with KO and Yanda at guard will open holes for Ray Rice.
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Atm I wouldnt put Flacco @ top 10.

He hasnt been statistically that close for 2 years straight.

Without improvement, Flacco is 'top 15' (his 19th atm @ QB passer's rating so im being lenient)


With half a season left, now we have to fight really tough opponents (Steelers 2x, Giants, Broncos). 0TD, 1INT vs likes of Chiefs performances aint going to cut it Joe.
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Why does Michael David Smith say Ravens' "aged defense"? The oldest guy out there is Ed Reed, and his "age" is not affecting him.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the rest of the starting defense 30 or under? That looks like a "young defense" to me.
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I don't see why Upshaw is playing DT, he should play DE and Ngata should play DT. So our D line would be Upshaw, Ngata, and McPhee. Of course, Ngata and McPhee would have to heal up first.
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I don't think Flacco is top 5, but I think he is top ten. Romo and Rivers are definitely not better than Flacco. I don't think Schaub is better. Cam Newton isn't having a good season. The rookie QB's like Luck and RG3 still have a lot to prove. Matt Ryan is having a great season, but until he can win a playoff game, or at least get to the play offs every year, he isn't better than Flacco. Either way, if we had an NFL caliber OC, none of us would be having this conversation, because if we did, Flacco would with out a doubt be top 10 and have the stats to prove it. I still think he is anyway, but there a lot of people who have trouble seeing this.
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[quote name='metalraven' timestamp='1352479649' post='1213912']
Why does Michael David Smith say Ravens' "aged defense"? The oldest guy out there is Ed Reed, and his "age" is not affecting him.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the rest of the starting defense 30 or under? That looks like a "young defense" to me.
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The only other starter over 30 is Kemoeatu at 33. Either way, it is NOT and old defense as so many like to suggest.
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Get Ngata out of there if he's not effective and playing hurt, please don't ruin his whole career.....on the flacco front i think we need to not extend him as he has not shown me that he can win the superbowl, he is just too scared in the pocket, and he is not consistent. Scary inconsistent is more like it.
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[quote name='TorryGundy' timestamp='1352475832' post='1213871']
Joe is not elite. If his agent gives a rats butt about Joe, and what kind of future he will really have, he willnot milk the Ravens for Elite money. If we pay Joe, Ray Rice, Vonte Leach, Boldin, Ngata, Suggs ELite money for thier position, we end up where we are now. Filling in the rest of the spots with marginal roll players. In the above article, he is not even one of the top five players on our team and not a top 50 player in the NFL. He should get less then Matt Ryan and More then Romo. That is his wheel house. He is not a Manning, Breeze, Brady, Manning, Qb. Please get over it and move on.
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You have some good points, but you can't pay Matt Ryan more than Flacco. Ryan can't win a single playoff game, let alone get there every year. The playoffs are where the real foot ball players show up and Ryan hasn't shown that he can. In my mind, the only "elite" QB's are Brees, Rogers, Manning brothers, and Brady. Those are the only QB's that have shown that they can win it all with out having a good defense. But, Flacco is definitely top 10.
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I love this. I love it when the pros, the pundits, and the fickle fans all start talking about the Ravens not being good enough. The pressure is gone. We're back under the radar, with people questioning every facet of our game.

We've got them right where we want the, boys!!!
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Dean Pees lacks the charisma to make the players excited. The defense just looks flat. No emotion and very little "ravens swagger"
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I want Flacco to be "elite", and I want him to succeed, and I want him to take the Ravens to a SB victory. And this could still happen. I've been a "Flacco guy" all the way through...until now. Oz and the Ravens org have done EVERYTHING they could to give this guy the tools needed to succeed. He has so many weapons that he can utilize, that's it's almost ridiculous.

This is Flacco's fifth season as a starting QB for a very successful, and very talented Ravens franchise. But after 5 years, I don't see much progress. Some say: "If he only had this, or if he only had that"...but enough with the excuses already. If he hasn't gotten it yet; it seems unlikely that he will now.

Think about this: If a team always "needs" to provide another tool for their QB to succeed; then it's clear he's not a leader. The great ones simply make the best with what they have, use the talents they have to their advantage.

Take Peyton Manning for example. He comes back from missing an ENTIRE freaking year, to a brand new team, brand new system, and hear are his stats.

QBR = 108.6

CMP% = 69.5

YDS = 2,404

AVG = 8.23

TDs = 20

He's on pace to throw for 4,800 yards and 40 TDs...that's on a BRAND NEW TEAM, AND COMING OFF MISSING An ENTIRE YEAR!!!! And what "stars" does he have? He doesn't have an amazing offensive line, or a great running game. He doesn't have Boldin, T. Smith, J. Jones, D. Pitta and RAY FREAKING RICE!!

It's not fair to compare Flacco to Manning. But I'm simply showing what ELITE and GREATNESS really are. Manning could make me look good out there!! (OK, that's a stretch)


It's time for Flacco to step up!! He's got the skills and the talent...but does he have that "it" factor? Is he a true leader?

We have 8 more games to go. Maybe a switch will come on, and I hope it does. BUT NO MORE EXCUSING FLACCO.
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Flacco is Flacco that's what I like about our QB. He's the same Flacco that swept the steelers and out played Tom Brady last year. I don't care if hes elite or not as long as he gets the W every week. For the schedule we had I think Flacco is getting the job done although there is room for improvement. If we can handle business in Pittsburgh we will be fine.
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OK your only elite when you win a super bowl therefore Joes not there yet, Also ngata should get this game off we need him for the long road to the playoffs. Go Ravens.
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in all Honesty i would not say the steelers are any better then us ,i mean you have a good qb in Pitt ,but the defense is old and the secondary is awful even when Polamula comes back he wont be 100% and still is not what he used to be ,WRS and RB we have the edge there Kicker we have the edge there also TE Pitta and Miller have to give us the edge Miller isnt getting any faster or younger ,so if Flacco Picks it up and Our line can hold i believe we are the better team easily ,the only spot the steelers may have a edge aside from QB is LB right now although Ellerbe is peeking at the right time Suggs is back if we get a Fairly healthy Nagta eventually back Steelers will once again be looking up at us 3 years in a Row.
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