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[News] Cam Cameron: Third Downs A 'Critical Issue'

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Baltimore ranks 22nd in the NFL in converting on third down this season.

[url=http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Cam-Cameron-Third-Downs-A-Critical-Issue/7ed7efeb-26b8-4760-a9d4-a9e5a164778c]View the full article[/url]
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a new oc would be great but its not all his fault. we have seen plenty of dropped 3rd down passes this season and over and underthrown ones as well. the players need to be accountable as well and get there heads in the game
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"It's one thing here and there."

I am a life-long Raven. But this sort of comment drives me batty.

Cite one of the causes and lay out a plan to get it fixed. Or say nothing.

But OC and HC - please - don't say it's a little here and there. It puts the topic back on the back-burner, and lowers any sense of urgency.

Go Ravens !
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Funny, Cam never once suggested that the problem could be an ineffective game plan, inability to make appropriate gametime adjustments or poor offensive scheme. The common denominator ther would br you Cam.

We ran Leron McClain out of town because he wanted (and could) run and receive the ball. Bring Vontae Leach in who had like 2 carries in his career and then throw him passes out of the backfield like Leron McClain.
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"Cameron said that simply requires better execution."

I love Pitta! How refreshing, our offense struggles on 3rd down because we struggle on first and second down. Cam, that's not a simple problem. I agree with Pitta "That's a big problem that we're facing."
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If we use Rice and Pierce in backfield who should they watch out for? This opens up the chance of deceiving the defense. Joe can always audible play action if they bite.
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ok cam, YOU say we need to fix our problems on 3rd down, so heres what you do, learn to call a freaking play. seriously cam cameron has to be the worst OC in the league and for some reason he gets so much respect from the whole league(outside of ravens nation). cam cameron is notorious for not running the right personnel sets for the right situations, and even MORE notorious for having no clue how to design routes to get recievers open, not saying i could do it, but if ur such an amazing OC then why do we have 3 of the fastest receivers in the league(one doesnt even see the field) and one of the top 3 slot receivers this decade, and you still dont know how to take the top off a defense to create first downs from the slot, and even more importantly you get us stuck in 3rd and longs because again, you cant call plays to scare secondaries to open up running lanes. seriously cam we have a potent offense and you are RUINING it because you dont know how to compliment a potentially top 3 passing attack, and a potential top running game, and find the right blend to turn our O into a fine-tuned machine. we have all the pieces except for an elite LT and a OC
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I just had an epiphany. Could Cam Cameron actually be a genius. I'm way too critical of him. I thought we should have gotten rid of him a 3 years ago. Then, I was watching ESPN and they were talking about how teams prepare for december football. I hated how we used Rice at the beginning of last year and this year so far. Could this actually be Cam's overall goal? Passing heavy and spreading out the field through the first trimester to get Flacco going, and to get his WRs in sync, so when we really need them at the end of the season they are in position to back up the running game? Then we run the ball mid-to-late in the season to 1. Save Rice energy so he peaks at the best time 2. Run the ball in rough weather to limit turnovers. The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Building a team for a late playoff run. Cam Cameron, is he a genius or idiot? All I know is being 6-2 without using our strength, for the most part, is interesting.
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Enough with the Cam articles the reason you might not make the playoffs your play calling is brutal and Pees has no idea whats going on thats what will keep you out of the playoffs.we see the obvious we dont need Cam to tell us what we already know. Cam you need to get better you have no idea how to fix this offense.
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[quote name='BmoreKing' timestamp='1352418500' post='1213532']
I just had an epiphany.
[/quote]Planning for the run. I think that is what they are trying to do with McKinnie. He wasn't traded because no one would take a chance on him. McKinnie may think since he wasn't traded he in now playing for a job. Now if he works out right for the next half our offense could benefit.
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Hey Cam.....nothing will ever get better while you are there and Flacco will never, ever be more than an average QB. Ever. Long overdue for a change at OC. Every week its "well, we need to get better at this or that". Really?
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[quote name='Tyrone Jones' timestamp='1352414383' post='1213493']
This is why our defense gets burned out
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Our defense gets burned out because they suck.
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Cameron said there isn't a single factor leading to the failed conversions.

[i]"Maybe we need a little better protection one week," he said. "The next week maybe we need a little more separation. Again, uncharacteristically, maybe one week we won't catch the ball as well. So, it's one thing here and there." What the Ravens need is more confidence that they're going to move the chains, Cameron said.

"[u][b]The bottom line is the [throwing] windows are going to be tight," [/b][/u]Cameron said. [u][b]"So your ability to just have the confidence to throw the ball in there and have guys make catches for you[/b][/u] is everything. We all see the same games on TV. There are not a lot of guys running around just wide open on third down. So, confidence then takes on an added dimension on third down."[/i]

so once again...the O.C. throws the QB under the bus! SMH!

~Mili
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[quote name='BmoreKing' timestamp='1352418500' post='1213532']
I just had an epiphany. Could Cam Cameron actually be a genius. I'm way too critical of him. I thought we should have gotten rid of him a 3 years ago. Then, I was watching ESPN and they were talking about how teams prepare for december football. I hated how we used Rice at the beginning of last year and this year so far. Could this actually be Cam's overall goal? Passing heavy and spreading out the field through the first trimester to get Flacco going, and to get his WRs in sync, so when we really need them at the end of the season they are in position to back up the running game? Then we run the ball mid-to-late in the season to 1. Save Rice energy so he peaks at the best time 2. Run the ball in rough weather to limit turnovers. The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Building a team for a late playoff run. Cam Cameron, is he a genius or idiot? All I know is being 6-2 without using our strength, for the most part, is interesting.
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Bmore... Lots of people are way too critical. I have tweeted and emailed several analysts about Cam Cameron. Mainly because I have been chastised on the site for supporting him so much. He's not a bad coordinator. I got one reply back from an analyst to my email, and I have saved it... but I can tell you the response was that: "Many Baltimore fans have been critical of Cam Cameron. The question you ask is if I think they are justified"... "Let the Baltimore Ravens release Cam and see how fast he is picked up by another team"... "I hope that answers your question"... That's all it said....
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These problems will be a thing of the Past! It seems to me that ALOT of people wanted the Ravens to start the season "Perfect" or close to it! Ive been Patient and I appreciate the 7-1 I mean 6-2 record! I think the Ravens will reward us ALL for our Patience with a Superbowl Win! The texan game was good for them in a way and better for it to happen now than later in the season! The adjustments should start to materialize going undefeated in the month of November! Should of went undefeated in Sept. but "the robbery"and the texans did their thing in Oct. and now I think its time for the Ravens to open up a Can On'em in November and all the way to December and So on! But, when they win in squeeltown then will they get some "Juice"!
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Third downs have been THE single biggest problem with our offense, and it's the mindset of the QB in those situations. Flacco, not Cam, is the guy who continues to chuck the ball thirty yards downfield on third downs....I watch an insane amount of NFL football, and 99% of teams actually look through their progressions, and check down for the third down yardage....Not our Joe,,,no, he just chucks the ball out of bounds or deep into double coverage, so we can bring our defense back on the field where they just were playing. Nothing the Ravens do is more disturbing than Flacco on third down...And Cam has nothing to do with Joe throwing the ball deep on third and 4, or third and 6. I don't sit there like some guys and criticize every play that does not get executed, but the mentality of NOT trying to get the yardage necessary to continue a drive is totally inexcusable period.
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Hey, The Mom Gene, I bet any team that has already experienced Cam's "coordination" (San Diego and Miami) would not even call him, or accept a call from him. I would be willing to take that chance. He has no idea how to adjust during games and has no imagination when it comes to plays. Maybe if you didn't run the same plays every game, we wouldn't end up in third and longs all the time! And once again, Cam takes no responsibility, he again blames it on execution. It has nothing to do with his plays being so predictable that everyone in the stands know what he is going to run. Mix it up!
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The big problem with what i saw in Cam's explaination is he only meantioned passing issues. He always forgets the run even when it is working. We do not get into third and long without the incompletions on 1 and 2 down. I really will be happy when he is gone
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[quote name='Fastfingers' timestamp='1352418137' post='1213525']
If we use Rice and Pierce in backfield who should they watch out for? This opens up the chance of deceiving the defense. Joe can always audible play action if they bite.
[/quote]I like it
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I know this will not eb popular if they planned to relaease cam he would have been relaeased after last year . dean pees on the other hand I see that coming .
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I'm sure we would convert more 3rd and 2 if Cam didn't insist on throwing a long bomb every single time.
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I just want to see this team win pretty and big, like they did against the bengals this year.
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Oh, so now Cam is throwing the ball? Why don't people understand that Flacco is the guy that plays quarterback. It's his deal. As Cam said, he can audible anytime, and only he can make a pre-snap read, and only he can decide where, and when to throw a pass. It's not rocket science. Watch the tape. Flacco too many times on third downs does NOT even look under for the first down, he just chucks it as if it's all cool just to punt and put the defense back out there, then wonder why they are spent in the 4th quarter....
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Cameron said that on 3rd and 2,3&5,the Ravens just needed to execute better,totally leaving out better play calling, I say this because every time this conversation comes up,the play of the team that is the only answer I've heard given,along with the re joiner we have to get better,well I have to ask does the plan have to get better also? I hear all the time where the players follow the old company line about having a good game plan and all they have to do if follow it,and then the same old problems pop up,and the first thing out of some ones' mouth is we didn't execute it well,never thinking to question the 'PLAN',Pleassssse!
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@ZEUS, So you noticed that too where every 3rd and short turns into a 20 yard pass play!
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I agree with you BillicksEGO but it also takes play design Cams plays don't create mismatches or pick off defenders with crossing routes I just think its a little of both that by no means lets Flacco off the hook he needs to step up and make some plays he says he's elite and should be pay as such elite QBs make plays Brady, Big Ben, Eli, Peyton, etc etc
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People forget that Cam was the main Reason Drew Brees was kicked out of San Diego under the premise he (Drew Brees) was the problem, when in fact it turned out that Cam was the problem being Drew's numbers skyrocketed once he got under a good OC. I challenge you guys to compare the numbers of Drew Brees in his time at SD..you will see that they are very very similar to Joe Flaccos.
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[quote name='#1Ravens/Anti-Steelers Fan' timestamp='1352427491' post='1213634']
Cam Cameron's the "Critical Issue"
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Harbs is the reason he's still here, don't forget that.
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Cam is a major part of the problem but he's not alone. Why does Harbs never get blamed? He get credit for 4 trip to the playoffs. Shouldn't he instruct/demand Cam to get Rice the ball, to run more? How about the O-line coach for poor protection and inability to run block at times, penaliities? The O-line has been the terrible for 5 years and counting. How about the receivers coach? Shouldn't the Wrs know how to beat press man, shouldn't he have input on routes to beat coverage?
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CAM is holding this team back, Harb u need to fire cam and promote caldwell, there's no reason why they offense suck this bad.
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We need to use the diesel package like harbaugh just said he would the TE position can kill teams using the diesel package it gives you big time mismatches against Lbs and you can also play action pass deep to Torrey and Jacoby and use the run game as well.
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Neither of them. That's a big problem. It why the Ravens look good offensively for 2 quarters and then can barely get a first down th rest of the game. Cam is stubborn and has a one game one plan mentality. Harbs has no offensive knowledge so he just sits back and watches it happen.
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@BillicksEgo Maybe me and you aren't seeing the same thing but the receivers get absolutely no type of separation from opposing secondary's. Imagine if Flacco threw in those tight windows. I'm pretty sure every 3rd down throw would be an INT. Not to mention how many passes our receivers drop, I see plenty of dropped TDS. Its not like Flacco's perfect but its not like he's the only one that makes bad plays. Or in this case call them. Remember the 2010 season? Yeah those receivers where old but barely dropped anything. This is random but can someone remind me why did we fire Jim Zorn, Caldwell is awesome and all but we need to put Caldwell at OC and get Jim Zorn back at QC. Flacco was ranked in the top 10 or 5 in passer rating, TDs, and at the bottom in INTs.
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Cam says one week we need better protection and another week we may need more separation.....

How about better protection and more separation EVERY week? What a concept.
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[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1352428530' post='1213658']
here's a question who makes the in game adjustments is it Harb or CAM???
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Is "neither" a choice in your question?
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[i]I don't know if I'm going to state this as precisely as I would like, but Flacco is between a rock and a hard place. If you've ever listened to any former Ravens, they speak about what a control freak Cam is when it comes to his play calling. I'll take those assertions at face value since they played for the man, they should know. Flacco may have the ability to audible, but all that I have read suggests that Flacco has a couple of options within each play to choose from. Since "we just need to execute better" is always a part of Cam's response to anything going wrong with this offense, that would lend one to believe that the controlling theory is plausible. When you realize that Flacco has to face Cam every Monday for his QB grade(in a contract year nonetheless)...that sets up an interesting conundrum. Do you do as your OC calls and follow the plan to a "t", or go out on a limb and audible based on what the defense shows you, rather than use your one or two options within the game plan? [/i]

[i]Flacco did that last Sunday on the two point conversion to Boldin when he went with what the defense showed him...wonder what his QB grade was going to be, especially what if it hadn't been a successful play? Which begs the question, does Flacco get hindered by Cam's game plan by sticking to it, or audibling out of it? I wouldn't want to be graded by a control freak...its a no win situation. Right now, I get a feeling that there is some question as to the offenses' future identity, and I don't think Flacco is happy with the offensive game plan...whether, OC, head coach, teammates, or fans, he can't please everyone and that takes away from his focus. But e[i]ither way it puts Flacco between a rock and a hard place, imo.[/i][/i]
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Cam had the worst record in NFL history when he was head coach of the 1 and 15 dolphins. He didn't fare too well as a college coach with a stunning 18 and 37 record at Indiana. I don't know what about his resume convinced the Ravens to hire him in the first place. Perhaps we were hoping Cam would help develop Joe Flacco as he did Trent Green. I guess Harbaugh thought all we need to make a super bowl run is another Trent Green, lol. If history repeats itself the Ravens will have to go 1 and 15 before Cam gets replaced. Be patient Ravens fans.
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Thank you Cam, for stating the obvious once again. And of course, your reasons are 1) protection, 2) separation, and 3) execution - it's never the playcalling, is it?
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Grapple Raven, I agree with you. Cam is too controlling. Remember last year he said that audibles were overrated and not necessary. Now he is saying that Flacco has the ability to audible. I haven't heard from Flacco that he can change any play at the line. I still believe he is handcuffed, and until Cam leaves or Joe leaves, Joe will not become the QB he is capable of becoming. See Drew Brees, like someone mentioned earlier. I think Cam either has pictures of Harbs or Bisciotti, because I really can't fathom why Cam is still our OC!
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Because the Ravens are winning, they (Harbs , OZ) fail to see the obvious. Every year Ravens struggle in games where Rice doesn't get the ball or receivers are not open. First, Cam said not enough talent at receiver to back off defense from line. Then when Housh came to town it was not enough speed at receiver, last year was we need to be explosive. Every year Oz adds talent and depth at receiver and O-line, but does the offense every look consistently good? No. Cam's the problem. The best comment I heard all night was the 20 yard pass plays on 3rd and 2. How about passing 6 times in a row at 3rd and 2 and not coverting a single one of them? Cam's the problem. He makes Joe and a lot of ther talent on the roster look useless. The Offense is stacked with talent and should not struggle to score let alone go 2 quarters without a first down. But hey the Ravens are 6-2 so don't expect changes. Too bad the bottom has to fall out before it comes.
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