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After looking around on the web, a couple things have become clear about the black and golds cap situation:[url="http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/08/an-early-look-at-the-steelers-2013-salary-cap-situation/"]http:[/url]
[url="http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/08/an-early-look-at-the-steelers-2013-salary-cap-situation/"]//www.steelersdepot.com/2012/08/an-early-look-at-the-steelers-2013-salary-cap-situation/[/url]

1.) They will be more than 15 Million over the salary cap (potentially and 15 is the smallest number I have found so far.)
2.) If some of their bigger names refuse to restructure their contracts, they could be forced to release many impact players as well as their younger players.
3.) The most common name thrown around as a possible salary cap casualty is James Harrison, as well as Ike Taylor(as well as possibly letting Wallace walk as well if a number cannot be agreed upon in the offseason).



With all the financial issues the Steelers will have to deal with next season:

1.)Will this open a easier window to the division tittle and the playoffs for the Ravens next season?
2.)Also, could OZ potentially turn a weakness into a strength by converting some released players to the Purple and Black?(Harrison maybe?)
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After looking around on the web, a couple things have become clear about the black and golds cap situation:[url="http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/08/an-early-look-at-the-steelers-2013-salary-cap-situation/"]http:[/url]
[url="http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/08/an-early-look-at-the-steelers-2013-salary-cap-situation/"]//www.steelersdepot.com/2012/08/an-early-look-at-the-steelers-2013-salary-cap-situation/[/url]

1.) They will be more than 15 Million over the salary cap (potentially and 15 is the smallest number I have found so far.)
2.) If some of their bigger names refuse to restructure their contracts, they could be forced to release many impact players as well as their younger players.
3.) The most common name thrown around as a possible salary cap casualty is James Harrison, as well as Ike Taylor(as well as possibly letting Wallace walk as well if a number cannot be agreed upon in the offseason).



With all the financial issues the Steelers will have to deal with next season:

1.)Will this open a easier window to the division tittle and the playoffs for the Ravens next season?
2.)Also, could OZ potentially turn a weakness into a strength by converting some released players to the Purple and Black?(Harrison maybe?)
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Steelers knew this was coming with all of the restructuring they have done the past 2 seasons. This is why you dont restructure contracts because you end up restructuring your whole team when its said and done
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let's leave next year to next year... football is here now... and we play the 2012 pitts in about 10 days
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[quote name='display name' timestamp='1352426876' post='1213625']
Don't want Harrison.
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Haha well not here but his salary, age, and health are a bad combination for the Steelers going ahead.
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The older core guys like Hampton, Keisel, Harrison, Taylor and Polamalu are all in decline and the fan base is pushing for a youth movement right now, but the young guys they have coming up aren't your typical Steelers.
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1352439944' post='1213749']
The older core guys like Hampton, Keisel, Harrison, Taylor and Polamalu are all in decline and the fan base is pushing for a youth movement right now, but the young guys they have coming up aren't your typical Steelers.
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Isn't ironic that we have the same problem? Ravens and Steelers copy each other so much. We tried to replace players with players who weren't typical Ravens and now the Steelers are running into the same issue.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1352441428' post='1213755']
Isn't ironic that we have the same problem? Ravens and Steelers copy each other so much. We tried to replace players with players who weren't typical Ravens and now the Steelers are running into the same issue.
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I'm just glad it's happening to them as well. For the longest time I just assumed our teams were factories that could pick up any defensive prospect and turn them into beasts.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1352416647' post='1213510']
James Harrison go bye bye?
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Best idea ever. Send him to the Redskins so he can sack Romo a lot.....
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I'd pretty much bet that Harrison and Casey Hampton are gone after this year - and those two contracts add up to $16 Million - because they have Jason Worilds and Steve McLendon in the wings... and [b]both[/b] are playing better than the higher-paid "star."

Plus, Harrison and Hampton have become injury-prone, as they've aged...
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The Steelers do have a bunch of decisions to make especially when it comes to Polamalu and Harrison and what to do with signing Mike Wallace and Mendenhall. But as we have seen over the years the Steelers lose players and they still find ways to win games and make the playoffs and get to the Super Bowl. As long as Ben Roethlisberger is playing QB for the Steelers I believe they can win every single game they play and have a winning season every season he plays. He is having his best year ever under Todd Haley this season and I think he has room to get even better. He is having an MVP type season so far. He is that good and is the main reason the Steelers have been to 3 Super Bowls in the last 8 seasons and won 2 of them. Without Ben Roethlisberger none of that would have happened I truly believe that...
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[quote name='Ben_7toBrown_84' timestamp='1352551912' post='1214298']
The Steelers do have a bunch of decisions to make especially when it comes to Polamalu and Harrison and what to do with signing Mike Wallace and Mendenhall. But as we have seen over the years the Steelers lose players and they still find ways to win games and make the playoffs and get to the Super Bowl. As long as Ben Roethlisberger is playing QB for the Steelers I believe they can win every single game they play and have a winning season every season he plays. He is having his best year ever under Todd Haley this season and I think he has room to get even better. He is having an MVP type season so far. He is that good and is the main reason the Steelers have been to 3 Super Bowls in the last 8 seasons and won 2 of them. Without Ben Roethlisberger none of that would have happened I truly believe that...
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Roethlisberger was definitely [b][i]not [/i][/b]the reason the Steelers won the Super Bowl in 2005 and it's debatable he was the reason they won in 2008.

2005- 9/21 for 123 and 2 INTs. Dilfer was better in the Super Bowl than Roethlisberger was in 2005.
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1352590136' post='1214474']
Roethlisberger was definitely [b][i]not [/i][/b]the reason the Steelers won the Super Bowl in 2005 and it's debatable he was the reason they won in 2008.

2005- 9/21 for 123 and 2 INTs. Dilfer was better in the Super Bowl than Roethlisberger was in 2005.
[/quote]I didnt mean in terms of the way he played in the game in 2005 I mean for the entire season and the entire body of work. He played tremendous in 2005 in the 3 road playoffs games in Cincy,Indy and Denver and had a passer rating of over 100 in each game and had he not played that good in those games they wouldnt have had a chance to make it to the Super Bowl that year in 2005 and win it. And of course in 2008 he had the amazing game winning drive against Arizona where him and Holmes made the infamous throw and catch in the corner of the end zone.
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[quote name='Ben_7toBrown_84' timestamp='1352596356' post='1214532']
I didnt mean in terms of the way he played in the game in 2005 I mean for the entire season and the entire body of work. He played tremendous in 2005 in the 3 road playoffs games in Cincy,Indy and Denver and [b]had a passer rating of over 100 in each game [/b]and had he not played that good in those games they wouldnt have had a chance to make it to the Super Bowl that year in 2005 and win it. And of course in 2008 he had the amazing game winning drive against Arizona where him and Holmes made the infamous throw and catch in the corner of the end zone.
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Not true, it was under 100 against Indy but who's counting? Either way, Roethlisberger was instrumental in making it happen.
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[quote name='Ben_7toBrown_84' timestamp='1352596356' post='1214532']
I didnt mean in terms of the way he played in the game in 2005 I mean for the entire season and the entire body of work. He played tremendous in 2005 in the 3 road playoffs games in Cincy,Indy and Denver and had a passer rating of over 100 in each game and had he not played that good in those games they wouldnt have had a chance to make it to the Super Bowl that year in 2005 and win it. And of course in 2008 he had the amazing game winning drive against Arizona where him and Holmes made the infamous throw and catch in the corner of the end zone.
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Wasn't the cincy game where the steelers dline man dove at Carson palmers knee ? The injury to Palmer seemed to change him forever .
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I read a report from Schefter a couple days ago that he's really not expecting Wallace to return next season. His number 1 team to land him? Baltimore. They were unsure what would happen with Q, so they think it would open up the space for Wallace.

Not sure what to think. I love Q, and wouldn't trade or get rid of him for anyone else.
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1352689555' post='1216387']
I read a report from Schefter a couple days ago that he's really not expecting Wallace to return next season. His number 1 team to land him? Baltimore. They were unsure what would happen with Q, so they think it would open up the space for Wallace.

Not sure what to think. I love Q, and wouldn't trade or get rid of him for anyone else.
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I don't listen to Schefter anymore
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1352689714' post='1216389']
I don't listen to Schefter anymore
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that's you B! i like schefter. lol!

~Mili
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1352690974' post='1216416']
that's you B! i like schefter. lol!

~Mili
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He essentially guaranteed Ray Rice wouldn't sign, though...
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1352689555' post='1216387']
I read a report from Schefter a couple days ago that he's really not expecting Wallace to return next season. His number 1 team to land him? Baltimore. They were unsure what would happen with Q, so they think it would open up the space for Wallace.

Not sure what to think. I love Q, and wouldn't trade or get rid of him for anyone else.
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Wallace is NOT worth the $9+ Million he wants, and he won't get it from Pittsburgh - he's not THAT much better than Emmanuel Sanders... compared to the difference in salaries. I CAN'T see the Ravens FO investing that much money in another WR, when Torrey and Jones have been carrying the load quite effectively.

Q is signed for one more season ('13) for $7 million, and Jones for $3.25 Million... plus, we need to pay Flacco.

Not going to happen - Wallace in purple.

[url="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/"]http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/[/url]
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After their game against us, Pittsburgh's fans are more than ready to see Wallace gone, if SteelerNation is anything to judge by. They also are sick of Mendenhall. i expect both of them to be gone after season end, though I doubt we want Wallace.
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The Rooneys are like us in the way that they have a lot of home-grown young guys who could potentially replace these veterans.
I predict a drop-off, but trust me, they'll still be competitive.
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1352689555' post='1216387']
I read a report from Schefter a couple days ago that he's really not expecting Wallace to return next season. His number 1 team to land him? Baltimore. They were unsure what would happen with Q, so they think it would open up the space for Wallace.

Not sure what to think. I love Q, and wouldn't trade or get rid of him for anyone else.
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I actually wouldnt mind this too much. Not that I dislike Q or anything like that but as long as we have Cameron he jjust isnt a good fit for our offense. Between Wallace and Smith and Flacco's arm our offense could really open up vertically. Doesnt matter as Wallace is going to demand an exorbitant contract that we won't want to pay (not that he deserves it).
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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1353512170' post='1227868']
I actually wouldnt mind this too much. Not that I dislike Q or anything like that but as long as we have Cameron he jjust isnt a good fit for our offense. Between Wallace and Smith and Flacco's arm our offense could really open up vertically. Doesnt matter as Wallace is going to demand an exorbitant contract that we won't want to pay (not that he deserves it).
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After all Q has done, we still want him gone?
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[quote name='display name' timestamp='1353519839' post='1227991']
After all Q has done, we still want him gone?
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Like I said I have no problem with Q. My problem really lies with Cameron not using Q in the most effective way and if we arent gonna get rid of Cameron...

If letting Q go means getting Wallace then it works out positively for everyone involved. We get younger at receiver and get a receiver who's a better fit for Cam's offense. Q gets a chance to go to a team that will use him effectively allowing him to revive his career in a sense. Q has done well here, but it pales in comparison to his prior numbers and he has not done well by receiver standards (By that I mean he keeps missing that 1000 yard benchmark. I dont fault him for this tho, but one can question his talent given his stint here during negotiations for his next contract. I don't, but im just giving a possible knock people can use due to him playing here. )

Like I said I dont want to get rid of Q. I dont want him gone, but we arent using him effectively and thats not good for us nor him. Id rather get rid of Cameron, but that isnt happening (why football gods why?) I just think that if letting Q go means getting Wallace then it works out best for all parties involved.

But like I said with his contact demands it will never ever happen though with Boldin earning 7 million next year I wonder if he will become a cap casualty.
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[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1353522844' post='1228027']
Like I said I have no problem with Q. My problem really lies with Cameron not using Q in the most effective way and if we arent gonna get rid of Cameron...

If letting Q go means getting Wallace then it works out positively for everyone involved. We get younger at receiver and get a [b]receiver who's a better fit for Cam's offense[/b]. Q gets a chance to go to a team that will use him effectively allowing him to revive his career in a sense. Q has done well here, but it pales in comparison to his prior numbers and he has not done well by receiver standards (By that I mean he keeps missing that 1000 yard benchmark. I dont fault him for this tho, but one can question his talent given his stint here during negotiations for his next contract. I don't, but im just giving a possible knock people can use due to him playing here. )

Like I said I dont want to get rid of Q. I dont want him gone, but we arent using him effectively and thats not good for us nor him. Id rather get rid of Cameron, but that isnt happening (why football gods why?) I just think that if letting Q go means getting Wallace then it works out best for all parties involved.

But like I said with his contact demands it will never ever happen though with Boldin earning 7 million next year I wonder if he will become a cap casualty.
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I just froze right there...With our current weapons at WR, Cam can't even know how to use them; would you think bringing in another speedy WR can save his job? not even mentioning the dude wants blockbuster salary....

I think Cam needs Megatron and Fitzgerald to save his job.....

We don't need another WR; what we need is another competent OC.....
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[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1353534804' post='1228181']
I just froze right there...With our current weapons at WR, Cam can't even know how to use them; would you think bringing in another speedy WR can save his job? not even mentioning the dude wants blockbuster salary....

I think Cam needs Megatron and Fitzgerald to save his job.....

We don't need another WR; what we need is another competent OC.....
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Im not saying the money cant be better spent elsewhere or that any move outside of firing cam would be inferior to firing cam. I am saying between Wallace and Boldin, its better for us to have Wallace and its better for boldin if we release him so he can revive his career. Im not advocating go get wallace. Im just saying that if wallace doesnt cost us an arm and a leg and we can get for the cost of cutting boldin's 7 million and maybe a 1 million more (not gonna happen but hear me out) then its better for both parties if we do that.
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