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[News] The Caw: Torrey Smith's Voting Dilemma

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A bunch of Ravens are heading out to the polls to vote, and encourage others to do the same.

[url=http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/The-Caw-Torrey-Smiths-Voting-Dilemma/0ff2153f-512c-481c-91ea-fe3c90b41d1e]View the full article[/url]
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Posted · Hidden by Grapple Raven, November 6, 2012 - Off topic · Report post

Birk I thought you were educated? No ones vote counts. The only vote that counts is the Electoral College. All they do is take all the different areas and whoever gets the most votes in that area is who the electorals are suppose to vote for. But they are not binded to that vote and can vote whatever they wish.
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Posted · Hidden by Grapple Raven, November 6, 2012 - Off topic, not a discussion of the Electoral College · Report post

CHARMCITY187, you are wrong in two ways about your vote not counting...

1) While the Electoral College determines who wins the Presidency, you vote for your electors.

2) There are races and issues important to the Commonwealth (or state) that, people need to decide.

Consistent in both points is that a voter has a a responsibility to follow the issues, as hard as it might be given the nearly non-stop policking.

Both Torrey and Matt are right...and great models for our community.
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Posted · Hidden by Grapple Raven, November 6, 2012 - Off topic, not a discussion of the Electoral College · Report post

'CHARMCITY187'
Birk I thought you were educated? No ones vote counts. The only vote that counts is the Electoral College. All they do is take all the different areas and whoever gets the most votes in that area is who the electorals are suppose to vote for. But they are not binded to that vote and can vote whatever they wish.


If you want to get technical, the people elect the State Legislature who in turn elect the Electoral College. The people's vote does matter.

I believe that many states have laws requiring the members of the Electoral College to vote for the winner of the popular vote of the state.
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Regardless of which side of the spectrum, the above quotes told me these players were giving serious consideration and are doing so in a civil way! Good job Ravens players.
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Posted · Hidden by Grapple Raven, November 7, 2012 - Off-topic, derogatory · Report post

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1352231084' post='1212254']
If you want to get technical, the people elect the State Legislature who in turn elect the Electoral College. The people's vote does matter.

I believe that many states have laws requiring the members of the Electoral College to vote for the winner of the popular vote of the state.
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Yes they have "GuideLines" but nowhere in the "GuideLines" does it say you must vote for the States Popular Vote. It happened with both Clinton and Bush. They lost the popular vote and still won the presidency. With Bush in 2004 the popular vote in Ohio, New Mexico, Arizona, and somewhere else was Democratic for Kerry but still the states electoral college voted for Bush. It happens all the time. Even in 2008 McCain won Popular votes in several states where the electoral college still gave slumbama the vote. So to say your vote means anything at all is completely ludicrious. And with both of the scumbags that are running this year they're campaigns are both paid for by the exact same companies. Meaning either one that gets elected there will be 0 change at all.
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[i]*Please be reminded that this article is pointing out that our Ravens are exercising their civic duty with the right to vote, and are encouraging others to exercise that right as well, irrespective of your political persuasion. [/i]

[i]Thanks for being good role models for our community and country, while reminding us that exercising our right to vote is a uniquely personal decision that we all take seriously![/i]
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Wow...never thought about the election from a player's point of view. Such a conundrum...

I'm glad we just don't have the typical "dumb" athletes representing our team.

"Without thought we are nothing!"
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Posted · Hidden by Grapple Raven, November 6, 2012 - No reason given · Report post

Torrey and his fiance voted for Obama. The pictures are on his twitter page and he looks extremely happy about it. I doubt there was much dilemma.
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Posted · Hidden by Grapple Raven, November 6, 2012 - Off topic · Report post

[quote name='Peej' timestamp='1352230916' post='1212247']
CHARMCITY187, you are wrong in two ways about your vote not counting...

1) While the Electoral College determines who wins the Presidency, you vote for your electors.

2) There are races and issues important to the Commonwealth (or state) that, people need to decide.

Consistent in both points is that a voter has a a responsibility to follow the issues, as hard as it might be given the nearly non-stop policking.

Both Torrey and Matt are right...and great models for our community.
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I'm just gonna copy and paste my last response because I'm not gonna sit here and argue with clueless people all night.

Yes the Electoral College has "GuideLines" but nowhere in the "GuideLines" does it say you must vote for the States Popular Vote. It happened with both Clinton and Bush. They lost the popular vote and still won the presidency. With Bush in 2004 the popular vote in Ohio, New Mexico, Arizona, and somewhere else was Democratic for Kerry but still the states electoral college voted for Bush. It happens all the time. Even in 2008 McCain won Popular votes in several states where the electoral college still gave slumbama the vote. So to say your vote means anything at all is completely ludicrious. And with both of the scumbags that are running this year they're campaigns are both paid for by the exact same companies. Meaning either one that gets elected there will be 0 change at all. If our vote meant anything whatsoever we wouldn't be 16 Trillion dolars in debt and have a President take away more and more of our Constitutional Rights every year.
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Posted · Hidden by Grapple Raven, November 6, 2012 - No reason given · Report post

@BMORElegacy

Thanks for the quicker picker upper.... needed to hear that. My honest opinion. Just maybe Smith, just maybe the jersey returns to the list.
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Posted · Hidden by Grapple Raven, November 6, 2012 - Article isn't about who, but the fact that they vote · Report post

In fact. He is VERY pro President Obama. See for yourself! https://twitter.com/TorreySmithWR
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Torrey just wrote this regarding THIS article: "That article made it seem like I was a fan of Romney if you read it a certain way....I'm not...I'm all for OBAMA"
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Posted · Hidden by Grapple Raven, November 6, 2012 - No reason given · Report post

Romney lied so much, would anyone hire me if I lied throughout the interview? Maybe if I was Romney you would.
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Posted · Hidden by Grapple Raven, November 6, 2012 - Article isn't about the merits of the Electoral College · Report post

Props to everyone who does go out an vote, but I just can't do it myself with the electoral college in place. Our votes do count in a lot of other public offices, but not the Presidential election. In the '04 election, I was so excited for my first opportunity to vote, my mother and I were at the polls early that morning and I felt a sense of accomplishment for participating. The problem is, I voted for Kerry and I live in Tennessee, a state that from every Presidential election I have ever witnessed, has given all of its electoral college votes to Republicans. In other words, living in a red state and voting "blue" IS a wasted voted. The opposite is true in, say California, a state that in every election I have ever viewed has gone to the Democrats. What if I live in Cali and vote for Romney? I guarantee you these precedents will hold true tonight when the results start coming in. If it was a true popular vote, I would be voting every single opportunity.

As it is,I can't help but feel that election 8 years ago completely disenfranchised me from the presidential election. I still try to vote for reps every two years and senators every six since they are directly elected by the people, not to mention have a ridiculous amount of power in regards to our nation compared to the executive branch.
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I think that it's great that there was a fantastic turnout at the polls today! We can't make a difference if we are voting couch potatoes.
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How is it you guys can post ANYTHING relating to politics and then delete my post talking about how I personally don't vote in presidential elections due to the electoral college, but encourage voting for represenatives and senators not only due to the greater power they wield, but because they are elected via direct election? I didn't say who was right or wrong or give any political views other than what I just mentioned, go figure...gotta love freedom of completely civil speech huh? Oh wait...
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Posted · Hidden by Grapple Raven, November 6, 2012 - Off topic · Report post

Now I think y'all using Torrey words misguidedly to get votes for the wrong candidate. Just like those robo-calls.
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[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1352236602' post='1212346']
How is it you guys can post ANYTHING relating to politics and then delete my post talking about how I personally don't vote in presidential elections due to the electoral college, but encourage voting for represenatives and senators not only due to the greater power they wield, but because they are elected via direct election? I didn't say who was right or wrong or give any political views other than what I just mentioned, go figure...gotta love freedom of completely civil speech huh? Oh wait...
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Well, I missed your deleted post, so my question is, was it related in any way to the team or its players, the way this article reflected on the thoughts of some of the team's players? If not, then it was out of place and self-serving.
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Discussing the electoral college has nothing to do with the Ravens or their players or the message to go out and vote .
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You are correct in that this is a football forum, not a political one. This article was just stating that our Ravens were exercising their right to vote as is their civic duty, and encourging us to do our duty as well. How one votes is not up to political discourse. Who one chooses to vote for is a personal and private decison.
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@Grapple Raven

So in other words the article should have read: The Ravens go out to vote. With no blog box.
Should his vote reflect his current [friends] or his former ones? Yeah I'm being a bit controversial now.
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Please no more politics....Glad today will be over soon....I have been on political overload for 18 months.
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Why even bring the politics of voting in general if this is a sports related site? People are already encouraged to vote everywhere else we turn, was it neccessary to do it again in the guise of Ravens players voting? The website's staff invited discussion the minute they posted this blog...Whatever, enough of this and I'll get back to talking about our team on our team's website.
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[i]@ Hardknocks[/i]

[i]Political discussions can and rightfully so, be very controversial as some people are as passionate about politics as they are about football. As moderators, we have to do the best we can to keep the boards as friendly as possible by keeping the discussion on topic. No one has any intention of squashing anyone's right to free speech, just trying to keep the article in the confines to which it was written. Hope you understand.

Sincerely Grapple[/i]
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[font=times new roman,times,serif][color=#4B0082]It's kinda funny, I'm just a highschooler and I just finished studying the U.S. government and more specifically, the election process. The whole political realm intrigues me. I believe that your vote is very important from your mayor to your representatives and senators, your governor, and yes even your presidential vote matters. Every president starts somewhere, your mayor could work his way up to representative or senator, and possibly become the President of the U.S. I also believe that your vote is a private and an esspecially personal matter, and that it's often wise to keep it as that, private. You don't have to answer when someone asks who you voted for because we as a people tend to judge one-another because of who we vote for, just look at facebook right now. I just suggest wise judgement on who, when and where you discuss political matters. I like to see various points of view of how the vote affects different people. I've heard from Republican friends and Democratic friends but this point of view is the most intriguing I've seen yet; a football player's. Not just any football player, but my favorite football player, Torrey Smith. I see how the vote affects the upper, middle, and lower classes, but this is a mix between the classes. I really appreciate how Torrey took the time to really think about how [s]the[/s] HIS vote would affect different areas of his life. Torrey didn't just vote Republican because he's a Republican or vice-versa. He didn't just vote Democrat because President Obama is African-American. He really sat down a looked at all the dynamics. So I just encourage those who haven't voted to really take a moment to pray and think about how YOUR vote affects you and those around you. Oh yeah, and PLEASE respect the moderators. We may not like what they do sometimes, but they're Americans who are told to do their job a certain way just like the rest of us. God Bless America Tonight.[/color][/font]

[font=times new roman,times,serif][color=#4B0082][b]Rise and Conquer!!! :baltimore-ravens: :iwojima: [/b][/color][/font]
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