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Deonte Thompson on Offense.

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Why has he not had a chance to play? When receivers can't even get separation one on one this guy could go out and surprise some people. Just have him run in circles until he gets open. He looked pretty good with Tyrod at QB.
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Perhaps a good question, but remember - the coaches see these guys in practice every week... and if they were a better option than our current starters / #3, I'm sure they'd earn the playing time.

It's like the old football saying - the most popular guy for a struggling team is the backup QB... ;)
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He's had an issue with his hands that goes back to when he played for Florida. Once he can consistently hold on to the ball he'll be seeing the field much more often.
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they should give these speedsters couple of touches on offense, like Thompson and Laquan williams, they will be matched up with either a slow Safety or 3rd string CB, since we having trouble with separation u might is will give these guys a chance,
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He hasn't had a chance to play because he's not as good/reliable as the guys we have out there. Simple.
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When our passing offense goes 3& out so often, you really dont have much of a chance to give backups a chance, much less starters.
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[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1351916590' post='1208041']
they should give these speedsters couple of touches on offense, like Thompson and [b]Laquan williams[/b], they will be matched up with either a slow Safety or 3rd string CB, since we having trouble with separation u might is will give these guys a chance,
[/quote]Williams isn't a speedster lol. But Thompson isn't ready.
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I agree with the O.p. We have no life on offense. I'll say this; if Flacco struggles again like he did in Houston, i am completely off the (he's our guy thing). Give him all the weapons he needs, let him hand pick his playbook. Add Deonte or whatever receivers he wants.

No More Excuses!!!!!!!
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Deonte needs to take advantage of his chances he gets. i remember last year when reed had those fumbles, everybody wanted him to be thrown out of the team. now denote fumbled on the kickoff return and nobody said anything about it.

i think it is because most of the guys in here including myself like deonte. He had a great camp and preseason. he is on the team for a reason. he will get his chances on offense. look how rarely doss sees the field on offense.

for now it is boldin, smith and jones as the first three. they are doing a good job so far. right now there is no need to throw someone in.
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Donte did such a good job during preseason and the team used him in regular season games until he had the one fumble. He's been given zero chance to redeem himself. Just this week Harbs admitted the team needs to get more players involve so maybe, just maybe, we get to see him and others.

Second team players have unique skills that can catch an opposing team by surprise since there is little or no film on them to study.
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[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1351921949' post='1208059']
When our passing offense goes 3& out so often, you really dont have much of a chance to give backups a chance, much less starters.
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The hope is that going forward the 3 and outs will diminish and provide opportunity for more player involvement. Otherwise this thread is for nothing.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351917056' post='1208043']
He hasn't had a chance to play because he's not as good/reliable as the guys we have out there. Simple.
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Most believe Doss has proven himself but we rarely see him. It's hard to believe the Ravens or any team makes a habit of dressing players on game day that can't be trusted enough to play. I see this as a problem with flexibility more than reliability.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351917056' post='1208043']
He hasn't had a chance to play because he's not as good/reliable as the guys we have out there. Simple.
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Yeah that's the reason. It's the reason why Antwan Barnes sat as well. It was because we had so many great passrushers playing ahead of him. Good thing we are doing so well at getting to the QB. Don't really need all of those sacks that Barnes is getting in SD.

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[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1351956905' post='1208114']
Yeah that's the reason. It's the reason why Antwan Barnes sat as well. It was because we had so many great passrushers playing ahead of him. Good thing we are doing so well at getting to the QB. Don't really need all of those sacks that Barnes is getting in SD.
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Yes, how will we replace Antwan Barnes' [b]one [/b]sack and five tackles?
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[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1351958635' post='1208123']
The OC for the saints must drool over our receiving core...or bang his head against the wall trying to understand how we don't put up 35 points/game.
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Who is he salivating over and how are they better than what he has? I'd say Torrey Smith is the only one who is better than what they currently have. I bet Cameron is drooling over the Saints OL
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1351958859' post='1208127']
Who is he salivating over and how are they better than what he has? I'd say Torrey Smith is the only one who is better than what they currently have. I bet Cameron is drooling over the Saints OL
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I just find the Saints manage to take in no name guys with physical tools and develop them into ballers.

Lance Moore - Undrafted
Devry Henderson - Round 2
Marques Colston - Round 7
Courtney Roby - Round 3

You could also throw in the Colts/Packers/Patriots...a majority of all their skill position guys are taken past round 3, and they make them into all stars. Mind you it helps and may be fairly coincidental that those 4 teams also have the 4 best QB's on them; however, if Flacco wants money like the big boys, he better start using the tools we've provided him.
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[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1351960236' post='1208139']
I just find the Saints manage to take in no name guys with physical tools and develop them into ballers.

Lance Moore - Undrafted
Devry Henderson - Round 2
Marques Colston - Round 7
Courtney Roby - Round 3

You could also throw in the Colts/Packers/Patriots...a majority of all their skill position guys are taken past round 3, and they make them into all stars. Mind you it helps and may be fairly coincidental that those 4 teams also have the 4 best QB's on them; however, if Flacco wants money like the big boys, he better start using the tools we've provided him.
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Who on the Patriots/Packers/Colts are you referring to, specifically? The majority of those guys were not taken past round 3. Also draft status does not always equate to talent in the pros.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1351963618' post='1208163']
Who on the Patriots/Packers/Colts are you referring to, specifically? The majority of those guys were not taken past round 3. Also draft status does not always equate to talent in the pros.
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Colts:
Austin Collie Round 4
Reggie Wayne round 1 (beat me there haha)
Pierre Garcon round 6 (now with the foreskins but his major production has been for the colts)

Packers:

James Jones Round 3
Jordy Nelson Round 2 - hmm always thought he went undrafted....
Randall Cobb Randall Cobb round 2

so I guess my point was moot for the packers so I'll take that back.

Patriots:

Danny Woodhead -undrafted
Wes Welker - undrafted
Deone BRanch - Round 2
Edelman - round 7

and I realize that draft status doesnt have everything to do with production, but teams are more likely to select players with more promise in the earlier rounds than the later ones. So all the players taken beyond round 3 or 4 usually have problems, and teams like the saints pats and colts are very good at ironing out those difficulties and making those players productive. We on the other hand are not very good in the WR department but we have guys like Tommy Streeter, Deonte Thompson, Tandon Doss, etc who all have GREAT physical tools, but aren't putting it all together right now. If we had a great OC who could maybe use these guys in situations that gives them the best chance to use their best physical tools to their advantage then we could be VERY dangerous.
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[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1351965079' post='1208171']
Colts:
Austin Collie Round 4
Reggie Wayne round 1 (beat me there haha)
Pierre Garcon round 6 (now with the foreskins but his major production has been for the colts)

Packers:

James Jones Round 3
Jordy Nelson Round 2 - hmm always thought he went undrafted....
Randall Cobb Randall Cobb round 2

so I guess my point was moot for the packers so I'll take that back.

Patriots:

Danny Woodhead -undrafted
Wes Welker - undrafted
Deone BRanch - Round 2
Edelman - round 7

and I realize that draft status doesnt have everything to do with production, but teams are more likely to select players with more promise in the earlier rounds than the later ones. So all the players taken beyond round 3 or 4 usually have problems, and teams like the saints pats and colts are very good at ironing out those difficulties and making those players productive. We on the other hand are not very good in the WR department but we have guys like Tommy Streeter, Deonte Thompson, Tandon Doss, etc who all have GREAT physical tools, but aren't putting it all together right now. [b]If we had a great OC who could maybe use these guys in situations that gives them the best chance to use their best physical tools to their advantage then we could be VERY dangerous.[/b]
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That's more of the problem than anything, I think, although the Ravens have been historically bad at drafting receivers.

To the listed players, Collie's career is essentially done and it was never that good to begin with. Julian Edelman hasn't done anything, Woodhead is a poor, poor man's Sproles. Those Patriots players aren't great, they just have a creative system that can maximize each of them.

And for all those players you listed, you can also list receiver draftees that faded out from the same team.

Pats: Taylor Price (3rd), Brandon Tate (3rd), Chad Jackson (2nd), Bethel Johnson (2nd)
Saints: Robert Meachem (1st)
Colts: Anthony Gonzalez (1st)

Point is, the Ravens don't have an exorbitant amount of talent. The players we have are much better than they've been, yes, but that's relative to what we had. I think they could be utilized a whole lot better by OC, or they could be very productive with a better OL like most of those teams have (aside from the Packers, Rodgers is just a beast). Also, Joe Flacco is not Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or Drew Brees, he is definitely not as good.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1351966214' post='1208178']
That's more of the problem than anything, I think, although the Ravens have been historically bad at drafting receivers.

To the listed players, Collie's career is essentially done and it was never that good to begin with. Julian Edelman hasn't done anything, Woodhead is a poor, poor man's Sproles. Those Patriots players aren't great, they just have a creative system that can maximize each of them.

And for all those players you listed, you can also list receiver draftees that faded out from the same team.

Pats: Taylor Price (3rd), Brandon Tate (3rd), Chad Jackson (2nd), Bethel Johnson (2nd)
Saints: Robert Meachem (1st)
Colts: Anthony Gonzalez (1st)

Point is, the Ravens don't have an exorbitant amount of talent. The players we have are much better than they've been, yes, but that's relative to what we had. I think they could be utilized a whole lot better by OC, or they could be very productive with a better OL like most of those teams have (aside from the Packers, Rodgers is just a beast). Also, Joe Flacco is not Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or Drew Brees, he is definitely not as good.
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I think were in violent agreement about the source of our problems. I think I went about proving my point the wrong way. I just wish we didn't have to spend 1st round picks on all our players to get any production, we should be trying to groom players as well, and we do a very good job of this (historically, not so much this year) on the defensive side of the ball; however, our ability to take WR's with a few issues and get some level of production (not necessarily 1000+ yards, but 2 guys with 600 yards and Torrey with 1000+ would be nice). With Cam, we're more likely to call a screen to boldin with Jacoby Jones blocking for him...
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[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1351967493' post='1208192']
I think were in violent agreement about the source of our problems. I think I went about proving my point the wrong way. I just wish we didn't have to spend 1st round picks on all our players to get any production, we should be trying to groom players as well, and we do a very good job of this (historically, not so much this year) on the defensive side of the ball; however, our ability to take WR's with a few issues and get some level of production (not necessarily 1000+ yards, but 2 guys with 600 yards and Torrey with 1000+ would be nice). With Cam, we're more likely to call a screen to boldin with Jacoby Jones blocking for him...
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Absolutely agree, good discussion!
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[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1351944196' post='1208077']
Deonte needs to take advantage of his chances he gets. i remember last year when reed had those fumbles, everybody wanted him to be thrown out of the team. now denote fumbled on the kickoff return and nobody said anything about it.

i think it is because most of the guys in here including myself like deonte. He had a great camp and preseason. he is on the team for a reason. he will get his chances on offense. look how rarely doss sees the field on offense.

for now it is boldin, smith and jones as the first three. they are doing a good job so far. right now there is no need to throw someone in.
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The reason nobody said anything was because of how it happened. He was about to break it for a touchdown when a guy on the ground just wrapped his arm around the ball. In real-time it was clear to everyone how chance that was. Like when Santana Moss fumbled on 4th down this year he had his arms completely wrapped around the ball. There is just nothing you can do about that one.
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[quote name='black blood purple passion' timestamp='1351967493' post='1208192']
I think were in violent agreement about the source of our problems. I think I went about proving my point the wrong way. I just wish we didn't have to spend 1st round picks on all our players to get any production, we should be trying to groom players as well, and we do a very good job of this (historically, not so much this year) on the defensive side of the ball; however, our ability to take WR's with a few issues and get some level of production (not necessarily 1000+ yards, but 2 guys with 600 yards and Torrey with 1000+ would be nice). With Cam, we're more likely to call a screen to boldin with Jacoby Jones blocking for him...
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It's not completely the receivers fault. Just look at the plays and routes the Saints Colts and Patriots run. They have 4 and 5 Wide Receiver sets with the receivers crossing and doing a whole different bunch of moves. Ravens offense just send Torrey or Jacoby on Go routes and have Boldin do a couple curls or out routes.
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[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1351944196' post='1208077']
Deonte needs to take advantage of his chances he gets. i remember last year when reed had those fumbles, everybody wanted him to be thrown out of the team. now denote fumbled on the kickoff return and nobody said anything about it.

i think it is because most of the guys in here including myself like deonte. He had a great camp and preseason. he is on the team for a reason. he will get his chances on offense. look how rarely doss sees the field on offense.

for now it is boldin, smith and jones as the first three. they are doing a good job so far. right now there is no need to throw someone in.
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[quote name='dhstandard' timestamp='1351979874' post='1208281']
The reason nobody said anything was because of how it happened. He was about to break it for a touchdown when a guy on the ground just wrapped his arm around the ball. In real-time it was clear to everyone how chance that was. Like when Santana Moss fumbled on 4th down this year he had his arms completely wrapped around the ball. There is just nothing you can do about that one.
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I'd also say Deonte got off easier because he only made one bad play in a game we won rather than three bad plays / two turnovers in a game we lost like Reed. If Deonte's fumble had been scooped up and returned for a TD, costing us the game, it'd be a lot different. That's the difference between winning and losing.
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[quote name='VabchRavens' timestamp='1351982092' post='1208301']
Without making me use google, was Thompson 83, or was that Streeter? 83 played well in the pre season.
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83 was Thompson. Streeter was 11. And yeah, Deonte lit it up in PS.
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[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1351982407' post='1208304']


83 was Thompson. Streeter was 11. And yeah, Deonte lit it up in PS.
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Thanks man. That said, I'd like to see him on the field for a few snaps to see if this high powered offense is the answer. It would be cool to see the Ravens like the Saints.
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Thompson did look nice in preseason I'm not sure how much he would contribute on Sunday's right now but then again you never know how well a player will perform until he gets a chance.. Remember Victor Cruz preseason game vs the Jets ( he didn't play at all that season then he wasn't playing much at the beginning of last season then he had a couple of huge games while other WRs were injured) had it not been for injuries he could have still been buried under the depth chart based on practice potential..

Another WR to look at is Josh Gordan on the Browns he was a supplemental pick out of Baylor, currently leads all Rookie in WR yards & TDs.

I think Thompson could run a few streaks or drag routes underneath and create a problem with his speed, but I also feel that Tandon Doss could also make some plays for us with more snaps.
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[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1352003106' post='1208444']
Thompson did look nice in preseason I'm not sure how much he would contribute on Sunday's right now but then again you never know how well a player will perform until he gets a chance.. Remember Victor Cruz preseason game vs the Jets ( he didn't play at all that season then he wasn't playing much at the beginning of last season then he had a couple of huge games while other WRs were injured) had it not been for injuries he could have still been buried under the depth chart based on practice potential..

Another WR to look at is Josh Gordan on the Browns he was a supplemental pick out of Baylor, currently leads all Rookie in WR yards & TDs.

I think Thompson could run a few streaks or drag routes underneath and create a problem with his speed, but I also feel that Tandon Doss could also make some plays for us with more snaps.
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That's one issue I have with the Ravens. We sometimes bench guys like Antwan Barnes just because they are UFA. A ton of UFA who are now great players started in Baltimore but were cut soon after (1-2 seasons). The Ravens do a good job of finding these guys and putting them on the roster but they don't play them in games and just let them walk because they aren't showing flashes in practice. They go on to become great players.

Deonte Thompson is a speed guy and you can't teach speed. Remember when nobody knew about Torrey all that much and he would just run straight for 30+ yard touchdowns? That's what we need. We have never used Thompson and people know he's fast but have no real game tape on him.


I say ignore the UFA status and look at him as a guy on the 53 man roster. Just let him play.
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[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1351944196' post='1208077']
Deonte needs to take advantage of his chances he gets. i remember last year when reed had those fumbles, everybody wanted him to be thrown out of the team. now denote fumbled on the kickoff return and nobody said anything about it.

i think it is because most of the guys in here including myself like deonte. He had a great camp and preseason. he is on the team for a reason. he will get his chances on offense. look how rarely doss sees the field on offense.

for now it is boldin, smith and jones as the first three. they are doing a good job so far. right now there is no need to throw someone in.
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A little different because we actually won the game Deonte fumbled in, albeit only by 3 but still a win. Reed's 2 fumbles vs Seattle directly resulted in 6 Seahawk points in what would end up being a 5 pt loss for our team. Its easy to see why everyone was all over Reed and not Thompson due to the circumstances.
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[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1351944196' post='1208077']
Deonte needs to take advantage of his chances he gets. i remember last year when reed had those fumbles, everybody wanted him to be thrown out of the team. now denote fumbled on the kickoff return and nobody said anything about it.

i think it is because most of the guys in here including myself like deonte. He had a great camp and preseason. he is on the team for a reason. he will get his chances on offense. look how rarely doss sees the field on offense.

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Reed fumbled multiple times in one game with an unsportsmanlike penalty in between. Everyone fumbles occasionally. That series of mistakes literally gave the game away.
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I want to see DT get some touches. TD also needs some balls. Doss and Thompson can excite when given the opportunity. Why keep Boldin and Smith on every route we have hungry guys wanting to step up. We wouldnt even know about Torre if Evans wasnt hurt last year.
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Quick question: Why does everyone like Doss? Is it because Joe hand picked the guy? I'm just curious. Deonte looks like he is better than him already. And he can return kicks. Don't get me wrong i love what Jacoby brings as far as explosion to the return game. I just like Deonte's vision. Every time he was back there in preseason I thought it was a house call.

Let the young man play so i can see what he has. So excited about him !!!!!!!
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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1352204825' post='1212025']
Quick question: Why does everyone like Doss? Is it because Joe hand picked the guy? I'm just curious. Deonte looks like he is better than him already. And he can return kicks. Don't get me wrong i love what Jacoby brings as far as explosion to the return game. I just like Deonte's vision. Every time he was back there in preseason I thought it was a house call.

Let the young man play so i can see what he has. So excited about him !!!!!!!
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Doss has better hands, and probably has the mental part of the game down more. He's slowly but surely working his way into this offense. Deonte has speed, but what else? His time will hopefully come, but Doss is further along.

Also, don't you think the fact that DT was up against 3rd/4th stringers in PS had a lot to do with his success? I'm just not sure he can do that against starters, not yet anyway.
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Thought this would be a good thread to say that Thompson's job may be in jeopardy. Apparently, it's thought that DT may go when David Reed is ready to be activated.

I think that would be an absolutely horrible move, personally. Thompson can bring more than Reed.
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[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1352232935' post='1212280']
Thought this would be a good thread to say that Thompson's job may be in jeopardy. Apparently, it's thought that DT may go when David Reed is ready to be activated.

I think that would be an absolutely horrible move, personally. Thompson can bring more than Reed.
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I read that somewhere, and I agree, it would make no sense whatsoever.
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[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1351944196' post='1208077']
Deonte needs to take advantage of his chances he gets. i remember last year when reed had those fumbles, everybody wanted him to be thrown out of the team. now denote fumbled on the kickoff return and nobody said anything about it.

i think it is because most of the guys in here including myself like deonte. He had a great camp and preseason. he is on the team for a reason. he will get his chances on offense. look how rarely doss sees the field on offense.

for now it is boldin, smith and jones as the first three. they are doing a good job so far. right now there is no need to throw someone in.
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Remember, though it's different because Reed singlehandedly cost us the game with two fumbles and a personal foul. He was a real knucklehead last season. Deonte made a mistake and still hasn't had the chance to redeem himself. SMH. Not saying he should be running with the first team, hell we don't even let Jacoby go out there anymore. Our offensive concepts SUCK.
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I feel like we just waste talent on our offense. LIke what happened to DIckson(I know Pitta starts) he had 54 catches last year on pace for 20 this year. Also more crossing routes for Torrey not just go's and posts take advantage of that speed.
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[quote name='ravens rule' timestamp='1352236550' post='1212345']
I feel like we just waste talent on our offense. LIke what happened to DIckson(I know Pitta starts) he had 54 catches last year on pace for 20 this year. Also more crossing routes for Torrey not just go's and posts take advantage of that speed.
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While I do agree with the idea of us "wasting talent" (more of misusing what we have), I think Dickson is just a self inflicted casualty. Dude cant catch consistently. At all.
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[quote name='ravens rule' timestamp='1352236550' post='1212345']
I feel like we just waste talent on our offense. LIke what happened to DIckson(I know Pitta starts) he had 54 catches last year on pace for 20 this year. Also more crossing routes for Torrey not just go's and posts take advantage of that speed.
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Yes Torrey needs more quick slants to get him in space. Did you see what Mike Wallace did on that slant in the Giants game?
Yeah he took it to the house.

I wanna see Rice catching the ball more frequently in space too.

You gotta get the ball to our playmakers in space Cam!!!!! That will open up the deep pass.
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[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1352225252' post='1212182']
Doss has better hands, and probably has the mental part of the game down more. He's slowly but surely working his way into this offense. Deonte has speed, but what else? His time will hopefully come, but Doss is further along.

Also, don't you think the fact that DT was up against 3rd/4th stringers in PS had a lot to do with his success? I'm just not sure he can do that against starters, not yet anyway.
[/quote]All of us a speculating what we think that he is capable of. I say throw him in the fire and let me see. True on the lack of talent he was going against, however he roasted them. I want to see what else he can do.
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[quote name='Brandon22' timestamp='1352247849' post='1212499']
Lets have a poll about who should start Deonte Thompson or Tandon Doss
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Let's not.
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