Avoiding the obvious

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1351885375' post='1207835']
Cary was getting targeted before Webb went down and since then as well.
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Atleast Cary is on his WR, same can't be said with J.Smith.

[Tank 92]

Yeah, when has being positive and optimistic ever helped anything.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351876699' post='1207747']
Do NOT, put Williams and Smith in the same sentence. Williams has did his job this season. All Jimmy Smith has done, is get burned on every play.


Sick of these people talking Crap about C.Williams. What else does he have to do. [b] Does he get burned, yes but usually once maybe twice a game and he is usually on his WR.[/b] The same can not be said about J.Smith, all you have to do is Juke once and J.Smith is 10 yds away from his Man.
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I counted four or five in a row against New England.
It was run, run, pass to Cary first down
run, run pass to Cary first down.
Five times.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351876699' post='1207747']
Do NOT, put Williams and Smith in the same sentence. Williams has did his job this season. All Jimmy Smith has done, is get burned on every play.


Sick of these people talking Crap about C.Williams. What else does he have to do. Does he get burned, yes but usually once maybe twice a game and he is usually on his WR. The same can not be said about J.Smith, all you have to do is Juke once and J.Smith is 10 yds away from his Man.
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I hate saying this because I actually like Cary, but he's one of the worst starting cornerbacks in the NFL. He sucked last year too, but that was overlooked because the defense played well as a whole, this year with all the struggles his awful play has been magnified.

While Jimmy can be abused with double moves (seriously, from what I've seen they work on him EVERY time), Cary can be abused by, well, everything.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351885919' post='1207836']
Atleast Cary is on his WR, same can't be said with J.Smith.
[/quote][quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351885919' post='1207836']
Atleast Cary is on his WR, same can't be said with J.Smith.
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You are talking about two plays and acting like every single time Jimmy is out there he gets burned. There is clearly some room for exaggeration, but what you are saying is patently false.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351876699' post='1207747']
[u]Do NOT, put Williams and Smith in the same sentence. Williams has did his job this season. All Jimmy Smith has done, is get burned on every play.[/u]

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If Williams has done his job this season then we have a new standard for what a corners job is.

[mhead66]

[quote name='Elmo' timestamp='1351522003' post='1205409']
The only ACTUAL FACTS in this post is that we're 5-2... Everything else is subjective interpretation... Just saying.
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No, there are other FACTS to consider - for example, there are only 2 teams in the NFL - Buffalo and New Orleans - that have allowed more rushing yards than our defense... and only 4 teams - New Orleans, Buffalo, Tennessee and the 'Skins - have allowed more total yards.

Those ARE facts... and if they continue, we'll be watching the Super Bowl, again... We can't allow 400 yards / game and make it through 3-4 teams during the playoffs, even if we win our division...

[PeRK82]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351902825' post='1207983']
You are talking about two plays and acting like every single time Jimmy is out there he gets burned. There is clearly some room for exaggeration, but what you are saying is patently false.
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J.Smith got burned every single time against the Texans.

[poescrows]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1351912436' post='1208021']
If Williams has done his job this season then we have a new standard for what a corners job is.
[/quote] True. Williams did come up with 1 well played int. (the other 3 were QB bad throws right to him), but that doesn'e make up for the hundreds of yards allowed by him........any time a teams corner is amoung its leading tacklers is a sign said corner stinks.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351963791' post='1208165']


J.Smith got burned every single time against the Texans.
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Nope. Try again.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1351920035' post='1208054']

No, there are other FACTS to consider - for example, there are only 2 teams in the NFL - Buffalo and New Orleans - that have allowed more rushing yards than our defense... and only 4 teams - New Orleans, Buffalo, Tennessee and the 'Skins - have allowed more total yards.

Those ARE facts... and if they continue, we'll be watching the Super Bowl, again... We can't allow 400 yards / game and make it through 3-4 teams during the playoffs, even if we win our division...
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NE did it last year...but I do agree our D needs to improve. I guess I'm the only person who thinks getting a healthy Terrell Suggs back might actually make a difference.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351971131' post='1208205']
Nope. Try again.
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There is no Argument, I rather have C.Willaims over J.Smith anyday and twice on sunday. Waste of a draft pick, reminds me of Walker.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351973207' post='1208220']


There is no Argument, I rather have C.Willaims over J.Smith anyday and twice on sunday. Waste of a draft pick, reminds me of Walker.
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You really dont know what you are talking about so you should probably stop embarrassing yourself. Jimmy hasnt excelled like last year, but he is far from a wasted pick.

[Dudeman]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1351920035' post='1208054']
No, there are other FACTS to consider - for example, there are only 2 teams in the NFL - Buffalo and New Orleans - that have allowed more rushing yards than our defense... and only 4 teams - New Orleans, Buffalo, Tennessee and the 'Skins - have allowed more total yards.

Those ARE facts... and if they continue, we'll be watching the Super Bowl, again... We can't allow 400 yards / game and make it through 3-4 teams during the playoffs, even if we win our division...
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Those facts are still subjective and open to interpretation.

For example, rankings don't take schedules into consideration, and it's a pretty big variable to ignore. Our schedule is always pretty brutal, and to be 5-2 at the midway point is pretty good. We have two winnable games on tap, and our D ranking should improve considering those offenses aren't great. But hey you never know how the next two weeks are going to shake out. Here's to hoping that we are in an upswing and not a downswing.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Regarding the negativity over the last two weeks, let me say this: We're not going to let one bad game destroy our season. I swear half the people on this board don't understand that.

[sliceanddic3]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351973207' post='1208220']


There is no Argument, I rather have C.Willaims over J.Smith anyday and twice on sunday. Waste of a draft pick, reminds me of Walker.
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Jimmy Smith has worlds of potential over Cary. Its been a year and a half since Jimmys been drafted, you can't say hes a bust yet. They both need to step it up for sure. But he could still grow into the shutdown CB we all want him to be.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Neither of those CBs turn for the ball in time. That was the knock on Jimmy coming out of college, and I've seen all season Cary playing his man, not looking for the ball and giving up a completion.

[bmore187]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351876699' post='1207747']
Do NOT, put Williams and Smith in the same sentence. Williams has did his job this season. All Jimmy Smith has done, is get burned on every play.


[b]Sick of these people talking Crap about C.Williams. What else does he have to do. [/b] Does he get burned, yes but usually once maybe twice a game and he is usually on his WR. The same can not be said about J.Smith, all you have to do is Juke once and J.Smith is 10 yds away from his Man.
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dude Cary williams is god awful...... and then you said "what else does he have to do?" lmaoooo.....he doesn't do anything besides play the WR, he never looks for the ball and constantly gives up first down after first down.....he's made one play all year which was that pick 6 against CLE

[Tank 92]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1351980824' post='1208293']
dude Cary williams is god awful...... and then you said "what else does he have to do?" lmaoooo.....he doesn't do anything besides play the WR, he never looks for the ball and constantly gives up first down after first down.....he's made one play all year which was that pick 6 against CLE
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You are exactly right and I've just about lost hope with Cary. He's athletic enough, but seems to lack instinct.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1351980824' post='1208293']
dude Cary williams is god awful...... and then you said "what else does he have to do?" lmaoooo.....he doesn't do anything besides play the WR, he never looks for the ball and constantly gives up first down after first down.....he's made one play all year which was that pick 6 against CLE
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oK And, Does he give up big play after big play like J.Smith. I want J.Smith to Ball out just as much as anyone else but he is looking like Walker more and more.

You and anyone else for that matter, are not going to change my mind about C.Williams just like im not going to change your mind or anyone elses on him.

We can agree to disagree. Cary Williams imo is an above average CB who rose up the ranks from the Practice squad from the Titans.

[mhead66]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351971292' post='1208206']
[b]NE did it last year[/b]...but I do agree our D needs to improve. I guess I'm the only person who thinks getting a healthy Terrell Suggs back might actually make a difference.
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NE went to the SuperBowl with a lousy defense... and Green Bay was 15-1 with a terrible defense.

IMO, the big difference was that both the Pats* and the Packers have top-notch Offenses, that can (somewhat) compensate for their poor defenses. Our Offense isn't "top-notch" - at least not yet. And you're right - T Siz was DPOY last year, and hasn't reached that level yet, after the injury.

Overall though, we need to step it up on both sides of the ball, to maintain 1st place.

[quote name='Dudeman' timestamp='1351976857' post='1208258']
Those facts are still subjective and open to interpretation.

For example, rankings don't take schedules into consideration, and it's a pretty big variable to ignore. [b]Our schedule is always pretty brutal, and to be 5-2 at the midway point is pretty good[/b]. We have two winnable games on tap, and our D ranking should improve considering those offenses aren't great. But hey you never know how the next two weeks are going to shake out. Here's to hoping that we are in an upswing and not a downswing.
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I agree - Rankings [b]don't[/b] take schedules into consideration. However, the truth is, our six wins were against teams with a combined 17-32 record - we're the 28th ranked defense through the [b]easy [/b]part of our schedule.

I get your point, though, on the next two weeks - we HAVE to win the two "easy" upcoming games - against (3-5) Oakland and (3-6) Washington. The other games - Pittsburgh twice, the Giants, the Peyton-led Broncos, and AT Cincy and San Diego - will require our defense to gel... and gel quickly.

No, the season's not over, and we're still in 1st place... but there are troubling undercurrents.