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Why is it that even though the Ravens want to recognize issues they still try to ignore the obvious and over emphasize the few bright spots.

What i mean by the above statement is that they spoke about Justin Tucker, Suggs etc pretty in depth but when it comes to the defense falling they skim through it. They make no mention of Williams or Smith being less then backup players. They skimmed over the fact that our run defense is next to last in the entire league.

Why just talk about Tucker and Suggs. Talk about the issues and that you are atleast trying to resolve them.

I want to see some changes from the Offensive line. Mostly McKinnie at LT Oher at RT and hoping KO comes in strong.

On defense we need huge changes but the talent just is not there to make the changes. We are putting our best players on the field and that is a shame that we have dropped in talent to this level of mediocrity.

They can make all the excuses they want but Williams, Cody and Smith are our best players which are equal to 2nd or 3rd tier on any other team. So we might as well sit back and watch the spiraling numbers continue to grow on Rush Yards allowed etc.

We are what we are and the 5-2 is very deceiving to say the least. No matter what you think i do love the Ravens and always try to see the good but really friends this season and maybe the next few seasons this will be our defense.
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Just because they're not saying anything to us doesn't mean they aren't working on it. Trust me, we hear ONLY what Harbs and Ozzie want us to, and NOTHING else.
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Its hard to do anything drastic mid season, but I'm still wondering why the ravens offered Cary Williams a contract extension. That scares me more than anything.
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:lol:. This is great. Your question is, 'Why would an organization having some problems and while addressing the public try to minimize those problems and show off the good things?,'. Uh, if you don't understand why the Ravens would do that, I don't think you'll ever get it. This is like the people that wonder why Joe 'never' shows emotions or why he 'never' talks with the guys on the sidelines after a series like Princess Brady even though 1) he's been shown to do both on numerous occasions and 2) the cameras aren't focused on him, they're focused on football. Just because guys aren't screaming at each other in press conferences doesn't mean they're not doing anything.
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Did you miss these articles? They both deal with our "issues".


http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/49237-news-defense-facing-problems-on-multiple-fronts/

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Top-Surprises-Heading-Into-Bye-Weekend/e5d10de8-2f9f-4a1d-9bb6-dacbbc1b1879
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Its called being an optimist. Or in smaller words. Being positive.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1351440655' post='1204896']
Why is it that even though the Ravens want to recognize issues they still try to ignore the obvious and over emphasize the few bright spots.

What i mean by the above statement is that they spoke about Justin Tucker, Suggs etc pretty in depth but when it comes to the defense falling they skim through it. They make no mention of Williams or Smith being less then backup players. They skimmed over the fact that our run defense is next to last in the entire league.

Why just talk about Tucker and Suggs. Talk about the issues and that you are atleast trying to resolve them.

I want to see some changes from the Offensive line. Mostly McKinnie at LT Oher at RT and hoping KO comes in strong.

On defense we need huge changes but the talent just is not there to make the changes. We are putting our best players on the field and that is a shame that we have dropped in talent to this level of mediocrity.

They can make all the excuses they want but Williams, Cody and Smith are our best players which are equal to 2nd or 3rd tier on any other team. So we might as well sit back and watch the spiraling numbers continue to grow on Rush Yards allowed etc.

We are what we are and the 5-2 is very deceiving to say the least. No matter what you think i do love the Ravens and always try to see the good but really friends this season and maybe the next few seasons this will be our defense.
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Finally, someone who can see and speaks the obvious truth.. All too depressing but all too true. That 5-2 record is deceptive, but not as to how good we are, but as to how bad. Being positive and looking at the team through very very very thick purple shades is not going to change the actual facts. Nor is it going to make the team play better, or get us into the playoffs. Hard work from our dreadful coaching staff and some of the players stepping up is the only thing that could possibly help.
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Cuz the Ravens FO is a bunch of homers who view everything through purple shades.
(insert additional tired cliches here)
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You're right, I forgot....everything that is said and done is said and done in the media...there's no such thing as "closed doors." We see it all..... :34853_shakehead:
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I'm not really sure where you're coming from with all this, there's a whole lot of wrong information here.

[quote][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I want to see some changes from the Offensive line. Mostly McKinnie at LT Oher at RT and hoping KO comes in strong.[/font][/color]
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Why? McKinnie was benched for a reason. Oher has played really well at LT so far this year. I was worried about our OL at the beginning of the year, but KO has been the worst player on a couple down weeks, but that's part of rookie pains. I don't think this offers much immediate improvement, and is only going to hurt us in the long term.

[quote][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]They can make all the excuses they want but Williams, Cody and Smith are our best players which are equal to 2nd or 3rd tier on any other team. So we might as well sit back and watch the spiraling numbers continue to grow on Rush Yards allowed etc.[/font][/color][/quote]

Cody has been ok at NT. He hasn't been spectacular, but he hasn't been bad either. He wasn't starting at NT until last week though. Art Jones has been a much larger problem, along with out edge-setting. I don't know what to do about Jones. Suggs back and Cody getting the starting spot again should see our run D start to improve again, hopefully Ngata will get healthier too. Kemo has been starting most of the year at Nose, and has been awful.

Cary has been garbage this year, and Jimmy hasn't done great in the limited snaps (although he's been better then Cary). Honestly, a large part of this issue is the way we are playing them. I'm not sure how Cary's press coverage is, but he's like 6'1 195. Jimmy is 6'2 205? Both of them are bigger corners. Jimmy was touted as the best press corner in the draft last year, better then Peterson. We're not seeing it because we're not pressing him. I have no idea why this is, presumably Pees? I really don't know. PFF did a breakdown of snaps in press earlier this season, and Cary was second lowest in the league after Asante Samuels. Again, no idea why. Jimmy is definitely more talented then either Seahawks corner, and I think Cary could press fine. We're simply not pressing them.

[quote][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]We are what we are and the 5-2 is very deceiving to say the least. No matter what you think i do love the Ravens and always try to see the good but really friends this season and maybe the next few seasons this will be our defense[/font][/color][/quote]

5-2 is not deceiving. 5-2 is 5-2. We're a team with issues, sure. We're also in what looks like a weak division (surprisingly) and in an even weaker conference.
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1351450714' post='1205016']
Cuz the Ravens FO is a bunch of homers who view everything through purple shades.
(insert additional tired cliches here)
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The FO is exceptional, but they have very little direct impact upon play after the season starts, unless they make a trade or fire someone. They do not coach players, create schemes, or take the field. Correct me if I am wrong but I imagine they are not much different than we fans at that stage of the season..
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[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1351457544' post='1205085']



The FO is exceptional, but they have very little direct impact upon play after the season starts, unless they make a trade or fire someone. They do not coach players, create schemes, or take the field. Correct me if I am wrong but I imagine they are not much different than we fans at that stage of the season..
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Not sure if you meant to quote me, since that has nothing to do with what I said
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[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1351454095' post='1205051']

5-2 is not deceiving. 5-2 is 5-2.
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well said.
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I'm amazed at how people always try to highlight the negative as being real, but assume the positive is just kool aid sipping. There is a balance. Some good some bad. If people haven't noticed there isn't any dominate teams in the NFL right now. Especially in the AFC. People the Browns just beat the Chargers. You know the team that basically every Ravens fan fears, any team can be beaten by anyone.

I know I will be looked at as a homer, but i honestly don't think that Texans game proved how good or bad both teams are. The Texans got every bounce imaginable in that game, and I think the first quarter was more evident of who both teams are. However they whopped the Ravens butts and their is no excuse. The Ravens are 5-2 there's nothing more to that. You don't get wins for style points. I think the Gaints were like 9-7 last year, does that spell Super Bowl?

To me the obvious is the Ravens are avoiding their identity on both sides of the ball. On defense we don't do well with the bend but don't break approach. You can be as exotic as you want with you're blitz packages, if you have soft coverage on the back it it doesn't work. Exotic and soft just doesn't mix with the Ravens defense. If you are gonna get blasted, live and die with what you do well. Get up in peoples face and be physical.

On offense, you have the best RB in the game and you just paid him a boat load of money. Use him. Yes Flacco and the passing game has the potential to be really great, but they work best when they are in a rythm. Flacco may just be the best play action QB in the NFL, however if you're not running the ball, you can't play action. The reason our no huddle offense was supposed to be so special was because unlike other teams, we could stay balanced in it. The Ravens could attack any level of the field and force your defender to play on their heels. However that's hasn't been happening the last 2-3 weeks. It seems like the WRs run the same exact routes and hope they can fool the defense.

I also think the schedule really hurt the Ravens. 4 tough physical, emotionally charged games in 17 days will drain any team. Then after a breif rest, they were forced on the road 2 of the next 3 weeks. I watch that Texans game and I see a Ravens team that was spent after the first quarter. The Texans were charged up and their crowd was even more so, and they feed off that. Basically then same thing that happend to the Bengals in week 1, the Ravens walked into a buzz saw and couldn't keep pace.
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I acknowledge that there are some big problems, but I also think that there isn't anything that can't be corrected within these coming weeks. Nothing is as simple as it seems, but for me. Pees: get physical and stay phsyical on defense. These are the same players we had last season, so i don't wanna hear about lack of talent. A lot of these guys are young and finding their way, while getting extended playing time.

Cam has to get back to being a phsyical offense, but also getting creative with the passing game. I find it hard to believe that they don't use more WR screen, when so many teams play off coverage in fear of Torrey and Jones' speed. I find it hard to understand why you have one of the games best RBs, a pretty good rookie backing him up, the NFL's top FB and a QB who may just be the best play action passer in the game, yet you refuse to establish the running game. There has to be something I'm missing because that just seems some simple to me.

Using Ray Rice and the running game isn't a knock to Joe Flacco and his quest to prove he's elite. It just means you have a weapon that other Elite QBs generally don't have, and that should set you apart. People seem to forget that what made the greatest show on turf some great was the dynamic Marshall Fualk. Faulk was a 2,000 total yard performer in both of Kurt Warner's best seasons with the Rams. Teams had to gameplan to stop Fualk which freed everyone else up in the offense.

I think the Ravens, and more importantly Cam, should review some of those old Rams games and follow that blueprint.
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[quote name='RivenHale' timestamp='1351442029' post='1204907']
Just because they're not saying anything to us doesn't mean they aren't working on it. Trust me, we hear ONLY what Harbs and Ozzie want us to, and NOTHING else.
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Everyone wants to say and think that....but then they come back after the bye and remainder of the season with the same plan.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1351466235' post='1205169']
I acknowledge that there are some big problems, but I also think that there isn't anything that can't be corrected within these coming weeks. Nothing is as simple as it seems, but for me. Pees: get physical and stay phsyical on defense. These are the same players we had last season, so i don't wanna hear about lack of talent. A lot of these guys are young and finding their way, while getting extended playing time.

Cam has to get back to being a phsyical offense, but also getting creative with the passing game. I find it hard to believe that they don't use more WR screen, when so many teams play off coverage in fear of Torrey and Jones' speed. I find it hard to understand why you have one of the games best RBs, a pretty good rookie backing him up, the NFL's top FB and a QB who may just be the best play action passer in the game, yet you refuse to establish the running game. There has to be something I'm missing because that just seems some simple to me.

Using Ray Rice and the running game isn't a knock to Joe Flacco and his quest to prove he's elite. It just means you have a weapon that other Elite QBs generally don't have, and that should set you apart. People seem to forget that what made the greatest show on turf some great was the dynamic Marshall Fualk. Faulk was a 2,000 total yard performer in both of Kurt Warner's best seasons with the Rams. Teams had to gameplan to stop Fualk which freed everyone else up in the offense.

I think the Ravens, and more importantly Cam, should review some of those old Rams games and follow that blueprint.
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A simple addition would also be: Have your CBs who are good at press....play press! Everytime they play off they stay torched. (williams, Smith).
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[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1351471514' post='1205206']
A simple addition would also be: Have your CBs who are good at press....play press! Everytime they play off they stay torched. (williams, Smith).
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That goes hand in hand with being physical. Other defenses are just muggin the Ravens WRs and getting away/having success with it. So why aren't the Ravens CBs who are both 6'1 or above getting their hands on WRs. No reason why the Ravens shouldn't have a style of play in the secondary similar to that of Seattle who has bigger CBs as well.

Even if you do play zone, get in the face of the WRs and stop allowing free releases, because you're front 7 isn't getting great pressure. So even when guys do decent pressure, it doesn't matter because the QB and WRs are in rythm and the pass is generally completed.

When the Ravens play that soft zone, it takes away the strengths of basically every defender we have. Pees actually has some pretty exotic blitzes, but the Secondary plays 10 yards of the WRs so, screens and quick passes destroy it. Then it seems Pees gets into the mindset that the blitz isn't working so lets just rush 4 and that's when the QB has all the time in the world. The problem is the soft zone that basically strips away the physical, ball hawking nature of our entire secondary.
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[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1351450369' post='1205011']
Finally, someone who can see and speaks the obvious truth.. All too depressing but all too true. That 5-2 record is deceptive, but not as to how good we are, but as to how bad. [b]Being positive and looking at the team through very very very thick purple shades is not going to change the actual facts[/b]. Nor is it going to make the team play better, or get us into the playoffs. Hard work from our dreadful coaching staff and some of the players stepping up is the only thing that could possibly help.
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The only ACTUAL FACTS in this post is that we're 5-2... Everything else is subjective interpretation... Just saying.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1351440655' post='1204896']
Why is it that even though the Ravens want to recognize issues they still try to ignore the obvious and over emphasize the few bright spots.
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Maybe because a few select of us are sick of hearing about the doom and gloom.
We as Ravens fans I feel are some of the most educated in the NFL.

Do you really need our head coach and general manage to sit down and spell out everything we are doing wrong?
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[quote name='Elmo' timestamp='1351522003' post='1205409']
The only ACTUAL FACTS in this post is that we're 5-2... Everything else is subjective interpretation... Just saying.
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I stand corrected although you are only partly correct. You are correct that the 5-2 record is fact but it is also fact that "positive thinking" or deceiving oneself as to what that record means will not win any more games or ...etc.etc. Lots of fans seem to consider that record as proof that the Ravens have played brilliantly so far this season, except for that little tumble against the Texans. That record doesn't give anyone any sort of precognitive ability to predict our future record, good or bad. That would also be a fact.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1351440655' post='1204896']
Why is it that even though the Ravens want to recognize issues they still try to ignore the obvious and over emphasize the few bright spots.

What i mean by the above statement is that they spoke about Justin Tucker, Suggs etc pretty in depth but when it comes to the defense falling they skim through it. They make no mention of Williams or Smith being less then backup players. They skimmed over the fact that our run defense is next to last in the entire league.

Why just talk about Tucker and Suggs. Talk about the issues and that you are atleast trying to resolve them.

I want to see some changes from the Offensive line. Mostly McKinnie at LT Oher at RT and hoping KO comes in strong.

On defense we need huge changes but the talent just is not there to make the changes. We are putting our best players on the field and that is a shame that we have dropped in talent to this level of mediocrity.

They can make all the excuses they want but Williams, Cody and Smith are our best players which are equal to 2nd or 3rd tier on any other team. So we might as well sit back and watch the spiraling numbers continue to grow on Rush Yards allowed etc.

We are what we are and the 5-2 is very deceiving to say the least. No matter what you think i do love the Ravens and always try to see the good but really friends this season and maybe the next few seasons this will be our defense.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1351440655' post='1204896']
Why is it that even though the Ravens want to recognize issues they still try to ignore the obvious and over emphasize the few bright spots.

What i mean by the above statement is that they spoke about Justin Tucker, Suggs etc pretty in depth but when it comes to the defense falling they skim through it. They make no mention of Williams or Smith being less then backup players. They skimmed over the fact that our run defense is next to last in the entire league.

Why just talk about Tucker and Suggs. Talk about the issues and that you are atleast trying to resolve them.

I want to see some changes from the Offensive line. Mostly McKinnie at LT Oher at RT and hoping KO comes in strong.

On defense we need huge changes but the talent just is not there to make the changes. We are putting our best players on the field and that is a shame that we have dropped in talent to this level of mediocrity.

They can make all the excuses they want but Williams, Cody and Smith are our best players which are equal to 2nd or 3rd tier on any other team. So we might as well sit back and watch the spiraling numbers continue to grow on Rush Yards allowed etc.

We are what we are and the 5-2 is very deceiving to say the least. No matter what you think i do love the Ravens and always try to see the good but really friends this season and maybe the next few seasons this will be our defense.
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Williams played pretty well last year. And I'm not sure what you mean "nothing less than back-up players." I guess you meant nothing [i]more[/i] than back-up players? Either way, I'd take Williams over a lot of corners in this league. Not every team can have a pairing of Revis and Cromartie. And injuries happen. I think the problem with the defense is the same thing it's been the last couple years. They keep missing on the linebacker position when they try to draft someone. They were supposed to find a young guy to learn under Ray Lewis 3 years ago, and STILL haven't found one. Barnes, Gooden, Burgess, Kindle, etc., etc. This not only hurts the pass-rush, but also hurts the pass defense in the middle of the field. Those short crossing patterns, and that's why decent tight ends with good QBs usually kill the Ravens.

After the linebacking position, the obvious lack of pass rush also might have to do with no threat whatsoever opposite Terrell Suggs. Suggs is that mixed-hybrid type... but perhaps the Ravens also need a quick, "speed rusher" to play on the opposite side.

An improved pass rush is what's going to help Ed Reed start making those big plays again. And it's bound to help the corners out too.

Why the Ravens don't talk about it much? Because that's what they do. They promote all the good things about the team, and try not to dwell on the bad. And they hope fans are dumb enough to hand over money and pretend everything is just peachy. They'll address it in private, and keep business in-house. Like with Flacco... they'll build him up all day long, but there's a reason they still haven't given him a new contract. There's no point in the organization putting him down in the media, especially while he's still playing for them. He's already got a fragile ego, so it won't help improve his game... and why talk bad about him and ruin any potential trade value if it comes to that?
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[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1351459640' post='1205107']
well said.
[/quote] There have been a ton of ugly wins in the NFL this season...The Ravens just happen to own a few of them.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1351440655' post='1204896']
Why is it that even though the Ravens want to recognize issues they still try to ignore the obvious and over emphasize the few bright spots.

What i mean by the above statement is that they spoke about Justin Tucker, Suggs etc pretty in depth but when it comes to the defense falling they skim through it. They make no mention of Williams or Smith being less then backup players. They skimmed over the fact that our run defense is next to last in the entire league.

Why just talk about Tucker and Suggs. Talk about the issues and that you are atleast trying to resolve them.

I want to see some changes from the Offensive line. Mostly McKinnie at LT Oher at RT and hoping KO comes in strong.

On defense we need huge changes but the talent just is not there to make the changes. We are putting our best players on the field and that is a shame that we have dropped in talent to this level of mediocrity.

They can make all the excuses they want but Williams, Cody and Smith are our best players which are equal to 2nd or 3rd tier on any other team. So we might as well sit back and watch the spiraling numbers continue to grow on Rush Yards allowed etc.

We are what we are and the 5-2 is very deceiving to say the least. No matter what you think i do love the Ravens and always try to see the good but really friends this season and maybe the next few seasons this will be our defense.
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I think you should keep in mind these players you say lack talent were also there last year. Something i saw last year in particular was the DC getting production out of every players, back up DL/LBs were getting like 8 sacks on top of the regular production from the starters. Even DBs were knocking down QBs. Obviously the first thing you can question is talent, but its really a lack of good coaching and coordinating. If there was a lack of talent, then it didn't matter because Pagano got bench warmers to come out and make plays that those same people aren't making now. This is kind of what i saw when Wade Phillips came in and got many of the same underproductive players to up their game in houston. This team was always about the next man up, but because of 2 bogus coordinators under the Harbaugh era we are sitting here complaining about talent.
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Do NOT, put Williams and Smith in the same sentence. Williams has did his job this season. All Jimmy Smith has done, is get burned on every play.


Sick of these people talking Crap about C.Williams. What else does he have to do. Does he get burned, yes but usually once maybe twice a game and he is usually on his WR. The same can not be said about J.Smith, all you have to do is Juke once and J.Smith is 10 yds away from his Man.
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1351450714' post='1205016']
Cuz the Ravens FO is a bunch of homers who view everything through purple shades.
(insert additional tired cliches here)
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We'll take that front office here in Cleveland anytime you want to cut them loose....
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351876699' post='1207747']
Do NOT, put Williams and Smith in the same sentence. Williams has did his job this season. All Jimmy Smith has done, is get burned on every play.


Sick of these people talking Crap about C.Williams. What else does he have to do. Does he get burned, yes but usually once maybe twice a game and he is usually on his WR. The same can not be said about J.Smith, all you have to do is Juke once and J.Smith is 10 yds away from his Man.
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Jimmy has been poor this season but Cary has clearly played worse.
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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1351883406' post='1207802']
Jimmy has been poor this season but Cary has clearly played worse.
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In what world, there is a reason why they are throwing it on J.Smith. And for obvious reasons why they were throwing it on C.Williams. Because you had Webb on the other side.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351885177' post='1207831']
In what world, there is a reason why they are throwing it on J.Smith. And for obvious reasons why they were throwing it on C.Williams. Because you had Webb on the other side.
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Cary was getting targeted before Webb went down and since then as well.
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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1351885375' post='1207835']
Cary was getting targeted before Webb went down and since then as well.
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Atleast Cary is on his WR, same can't be said with J.Smith.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351876699' post='1207747']
Do NOT, put Williams and Smith in the same sentence. Williams has did his job this season. All Jimmy Smith has done, is get burned on every play.


Sick of these people talking Crap about C.Williams. What else does he have to do. [b] Does he get burned, yes but usually once maybe twice a game and he is usually on his WR.[/b] The same can not be said about J.Smith, all you have to do is Juke once and J.Smith is 10 yds away from his Man.
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I counted four or five in a row against New England.
It was run, run, pass to Cary first down
run, run pass to Cary first down.
Five times.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351876699' post='1207747']
Do NOT, put Williams and Smith in the same sentence. Williams has did his job this season. All Jimmy Smith has done, is get burned on every play.


Sick of these people talking Crap about C.Williams. What else does he have to do. Does he get burned, yes but usually once maybe twice a game and he is usually on his WR. The same can not be said about J.Smith, all you have to do is Juke once and J.Smith is 10 yds away from his Man.
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I hate saying this because I actually like Cary, but he's one of the worst starting cornerbacks in the NFL. He sucked last year too, but that was overlooked because the defense played well as a whole, this year with all the struggles his awful play has been magnified.

While Jimmy can be abused with double moves (seriously, from what I've seen they work on him EVERY time), Cary can be abused by, well, everything.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351885919' post='1207836']
Atleast Cary is on his WR, same can't be said with J.Smith.
[/quote][quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351885919' post='1207836']
Atleast Cary is on his WR, same can't be said with J.Smith.
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You are talking about two plays and acting like every single time Jimmy is out there he gets burned. There is clearly some room for exaggeration, but what you are saying is patently false.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351876699' post='1207747']
[u]Do NOT, put Williams and Smith in the same sentence. Williams has did his job this season. All Jimmy Smith has done, is get burned on every play.[/u]

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If Williams has done his job this season then we have a new standard for what a corners job is.
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[quote name='Elmo' timestamp='1351522003' post='1205409']
The only ACTUAL FACTS in this post is that we're 5-2... Everything else is subjective interpretation... Just saying.
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No, there are other FACTS to consider - for example, there are only 2 teams in the NFL - Buffalo and New Orleans - that have allowed more rushing yards than our defense... and only 4 teams - New Orleans, Buffalo, Tennessee and the 'Skins - have allowed more total yards.

Those ARE facts... and if they continue, we'll be watching the Super Bowl, again... We can't allow 400 yards / game and make it through 3-4 teams during the playoffs, even if we win our division...
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351902825' post='1207983']
You are talking about two plays and acting like every single time Jimmy is out there he gets burned. There is clearly some room for exaggeration, but what you are saying is patently false.
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J.Smith got burned every single time against the Texans.
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1351912436' post='1208021']
If Williams has done his job this season then we have a new standard for what a corners job is.
[/quote] True. Williams did come up with 1 well played int. (the other 3 were QB bad throws right to him), but that doesn'e make up for the hundreds of yards allowed by him........any time a teams corner is amoung its leading tacklers is a sign said corner stinks.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351963791' post='1208165']


J.Smith got burned every single time against the Texans.
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Nope. Try again.
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[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1351920035' post='1208054']

No, there are other FACTS to consider - for example, there are only 2 teams in the NFL - Buffalo and New Orleans - that have allowed more rushing yards than our defense... and only 4 teams - New Orleans, Buffalo, Tennessee and the 'Skins - have allowed more total yards.

Those ARE facts... and if they continue, we'll be watching the Super Bowl, again... We can't allow 400 yards / game and make it through 3-4 teams during the playoffs, even if we win our division...
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NE did it last year...but I do agree our D needs to improve. I guess I'm the only person who thinks getting a healthy Terrell Suggs back might actually make a difference.
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351971131' post='1208205']
Nope. Try again.
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There is no Argument, I rather have C.Willaims over J.Smith anyday and twice on sunday. Waste of a draft pick, reminds me of Walker.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351973207' post='1208220']


There is no Argument, I rather have C.Willaims over J.Smith anyday and twice on sunday. Waste of a draft pick, reminds me of Walker.
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You really dont know what you are talking about so you should probably stop embarrassing yourself. Jimmy hasnt excelled like last year, but he is far from a wasted pick.
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[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1351920035' post='1208054']
No, there are other FACTS to consider - for example, there are only 2 teams in the NFL - Buffalo and New Orleans - that have allowed more rushing yards than our defense... and only 4 teams - New Orleans, Buffalo, Tennessee and the 'Skins - have allowed more total yards.

Those ARE facts... and if they continue, we'll be watching the Super Bowl, again... We can't allow 400 yards / game and make it through 3-4 teams during the playoffs, even if we win our division...
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Those facts are still subjective and open to interpretation.

For example, rankings don't take schedules into consideration, and it's a pretty big variable to ignore. Our schedule is always pretty brutal, and to be 5-2 at the midway point is pretty good. We have two winnable games on tap, and our D ranking should improve considering those offenses aren't great. But hey you never know how the next two weeks are going to shake out. Here's to hoping that we are in an upswing and not a downswing.
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Regarding the negativity over the last two weeks, let me say this: We're not going to let one bad game destroy our season. I swear half the people on this board don't understand that.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351973207' post='1208220']


There is no Argument, I rather have C.Willaims over J.Smith anyday and twice on sunday. Waste of a draft pick, reminds me of Walker.
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Jimmy Smith has worlds of potential over Cary. Its been a year and a half since Jimmys been drafted, you can't say hes a bust yet. They both need to step it up for sure. But he could still grow into the shutdown CB we all want him to be.
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Neither of those CBs turn for the ball in time. That was the knock on Jimmy coming out of college, and I've seen all season Cary playing his man, not looking for the ball and giving up a completion.
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[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1351876699' post='1207747']
Do NOT, put Williams and Smith in the same sentence. Williams has did his job this season. All Jimmy Smith has done, is get burned on every play.


[b]Sick of these people talking Crap about C.Williams. What else does he have to do. [/b] Does he get burned, yes but usually once maybe twice a game and he is usually on his WR. The same can not be said about J.Smith, all you have to do is Juke once and J.Smith is 10 yds away from his Man.
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dude Cary williams is god awful...... and then you said "what else does he have to do?" lmaoooo.....he doesn't do anything besides play the WR, he never looks for the ball and constantly gives up first down after first down.....he's made one play all year which was that pick 6 against CLE
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[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1351980824' post='1208293']
dude Cary williams is god awful...... and then you said "what else does he have to do?" lmaoooo.....he doesn't do anything besides play the WR, he never looks for the ball and constantly gives up first down after first down.....he's made one play all year which was that pick 6 against CLE
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You are exactly right and I've just about lost hope with Cary. He's athletic enough, but seems to lack instinct.
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[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1351980824' post='1208293']
dude Cary williams is god awful...... and then you said "what else does he have to do?" lmaoooo.....he doesn't do anything besides play the WR, he never looks for the ball and constantly gives up first down after first down.....he's made one play all year which was that pick 6 against CLE
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oK And, Does he give up big play after big play like J.Smith. I want J.Smith to Ball out just as much as anyone else but he is looking like Walker more and more.

You and anyone else for that matter, are not going to change my mind about C.Williams just like im not going to change your mind or anyone elses on him.

We can agree to disagree. Cary Williams imo is an above average CB who rose up the ranks from the Practice squad from the Titans.
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