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#1 dhstandard

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 02:07 AM

Anybody have any ideas of who the Ravens could target at either of these positions. Terrence Cody has been embarrassing and with his lack of effort we should bring in someone better. Pernell McPhee and Art Jones haven't really done much to help the Defensive End position either.

Any possible players we could target?
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 02:25 AM

Maybe now that Suggs is back the DL will become more successful and motivated. McPhee and Cody both performed better last season with Suggs in the games.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 03:55 AM

McPhee only played in sub packages last season. On passing downs Redding and Jarret Johnson were replaced by McPhee and Kruger. When an offense ran against our sub package we were gashed for yardage.

Fortunately when an offense rushes for 8 yards on 3rd and 10 the result is a punt. This season we have our passing down personnel playing every down. Of course we are getting gashed in the run.

The defense needs a 2 gap defensive lineman to play LDE, and bring in MCPhee on passing downs just like we did last season. Let Upshaw play in J.J.s role, and bring in Kruger like last season.

If it works, keep doing it, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 03:56 AM

I like the Seahawks NT/DT Alan Branch and DT/DE Jason Jones, playing in a hybrid defense like ours they're more versatile with less hype than the cream of the UFA class like Freeney, Avril and Melton. If they were on the squad now they would both be starting regardless of base formation.

Branch in particular stands out to me because he's more than a typical two down NT, he's quietly emerged as a disruptive interior rusher.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:23 PM

I like the Seahawks NT/DT Alan Branch and DT/DE Jason Jones, playing in a hybrid defense like ours they're more versatile with less hype than the cream of the UFA class like Freeney, Avril and Melton. If they were on the squad now they would both be starting regardless of base formation.

Branch in particular stands out to me because he's more than a typical two down NT, he's quietly emerged as a disruptive interior rusher.


Only problem here is Seattle is not trading these guys have they are part of that successful defensive unit
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:36 PM

it might be a scheme thing more than personnel, in 4-3 we have more success than 3-4.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:51 PM

it might be a scheme thing more than personnel, in 4-3 we have more success than 3-4.

No its a personnel thing. We have always shown multiple fronts.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 05:45 PM

it might be a scheme thing more than personnel, in 4-3 we have more success than 3-4.


Does a 4-3 magically make players better at shedding blocks and making tackles?
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 05:50 PM

it might be a scheme thing more than personnel, in 4-3 we have more success than 3-4.


We actually use a hybrid scheme featuring both.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 05:51 PM

Does a 4-3 magically make players better at shedding blocks and making tackles?

It might help with shedding blocks.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 05:55 PM

It might help with shedding blocks.


Not necessarily. I know what you're alluding to, but a scheme change won't necessarily aid that. A lot of people associate the 3-4 defense with defensive linemen getting double teamed and linebackers running free, but in our case, our defensive linemen don't even need to be doubled. Our defensive linemen are getting killed in one on one matchups. Another misunderstanding is that defensive linemen aren't doubled in a 4-3. Defensive tackles are still doubled often in a 4-3. The scheme doesn't dictate who gets doubled; the talent level of the lineman does.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:11 PM

Not necessarily. I know what you're alluding to, but a scheme change won't necessarily aid that. A lot of people associate the 3-4 defense with defensive linemen getting double teamed and linebackers running free, but in our case, our defensive linemen don't even need to be doubled. Our defensive linemen are getting killed in one on one matchups. Another misunderstanding is that defensive linemen aren't doubled in a 4-3. Defensive tackles are still doubled often in a 4-3. The scheme doesn't dictate who gets doubled; the talent level of the lineman does.

I get what your saying and i agree with alot of it. But now that we have Suggs back I think it would be okay. Suggs,Kemo,Cody, Ngata would be our lineman. I know our LBs are the greatest at covering but I think we would be ablr to stop the run/pass rush a little better. Might not be great but perhaps better then what we currently have. I dont know.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:27 PM

I get what your saying and i agree with alot of it. But now that we have Suggs back I think it would be okay. Suggs,Kemo,Cody, Ngata would be our lineman. I know our LBs are the greatest at covering but I think we would be ablr to stop the run/pass rush a little better. Might not be great but perhaps better then what we currently have. I dont know.


If we hypothetically ran more 4-3 fronts, I would much rather have Suggs - Ngata - Jones/McPhee - Upshaw.

Cody and Kemo are awful and I'd like to keep them off the field as much as possible. Ngata's talent would be misused as a 4-3 end.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:37 PM

I don't know why people are abusing Cody. He's actually been pretty decent. Certainly not bad enough to put this on his shoulders. Jones, Kruger, and Kemo have far and away been our worst performers.

Hopefully with Suggs back play as a whole improves. I don't think its solely a personnel issue though. The difference is far too drastic.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:41 PM

I don't know why people are abusing Cody. He's actually been pretty decent. Certainly not bad enough to put this on his shoulders. Jones, Kruger, and Kemo have far and away been our worst performers.

Hopefully with Suggs back play as a whole improves. I don't think its solely a personnel issue though. The difference is far too drastic.


No. Sorry. Cody is the worst player on the defense.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:51 PM

No. Sorry. Cody is the worst player on the defense.


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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:58 PM

Williams?


Cary is used incorrectly. Cody is 350 pounds and gets routinely killed by centers 50 pounds lighter. No excuse!
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:44 PM

Goodness, here we go with the 4-3 jazz again...it was a bad idea last week, still a bad idea this week
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 10:27 PM

Only problem here is Seattle is not trading these guys have they are part of that successful defensive unit


As I mentioned they're UFA and will only have enough money to extend one.
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 12:06 PM

I don't know why people are abusing Cody. He's actually been pretty decent. Certainly not bad enough to put this on his shoulders. Jones, Kruger, and Kemo have far and away been our worst performers.

Hopefully with Suggs back play as a whole improves. I don't think its solely a personnel issue though. The difference is far too drastic.

Cody has been getting blown back by interior linemen, one-on-one. When you're a NT then that's pretty bad. He & Kemo are competing for worst linemen.
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